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2018-11-13 07:03:29	--	Topic for #team is "tilde.team specific stuff ~ https://tilde.team ~ https://tildegit.org/team"
2018-11-13 07:03:29	--	Topic set by ben on Fri, 07 Sep 2018 17:04:02
2018-11-13 07:03:29	--	Channel #team: 81 nicks (5 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 76 normals)
2018-11-13 07:03:31	--	Channel created on Tue, 19 Jun 2018 18:12:30
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2018-11-13 07:25:48	SinaCutie	o/
2018-11-13 07:30:39	fosslinux	hi sinacutie
2018-11-13 07:30:53	SinaCutie	How're you? :D
2018-11-13 07:31:04	fosslinux	does anyone know how i can ssh into ~team from my lxd container
2018-11-13 07:31:09	fosslinux	good thanks sinacutie
2018-11-13 07:31:30	fosslinux	you?
2018-11-13 07:31:45	SinaCutie	I'm doing pretty wonderfully, thanks! Coffee almost done brewing.
2018-11-13 07:31:56	fosslinux	nice
2018-11-13 07:32:10	fosslinux	i'm trying to make an irc bot
2018-11-13 07:32:14	SinaCutie	Ooh
2018-11-13 07:32:17	SinaCutie	What language? :D
2018-11-13 07:32:21	fosslinux	its a calculator bot
2018-11-13 07:32:24	SinaCutie	Nice
2018-11-13 07:32:25	fosslinux	python
2018-11-13 07:32:31	SinaCutie	:3
2018-11-13 07:32:42	fosslinux	https://linuxacademy.com/blog/geek/creating-an-irc-bot-with-python3/
2018-11-13 07:33:15	SinaCutie	Oh neat
2018-11-13 07:33:29	SinaCutie	That looks fun 
2018-11-13 07:33:36	 *	slipyx sees import socket, closes tab
2018-11-13 07:33:38	fosslinux	^-^
2018-11-13 07:33:46	fosslinux	hey what slipyx?
2018-11-13 07:33:50	SinaCutie	lmao
2018-11-13 07:34:00	fosslinux	is there a reason i shouldn't be using import socket?
2018-11-13 07:34:26	slipyx	imo, python 3's async.protocol is a lot easier
2018-11-13 07:34:29	SinaCutie	There isn't a reason you should or shouldn't. :D That tutorial is just not letting you use existing irc packages, which for learning, I think is a good way to go.
2018-11-13 07:35:05	fosslinux	apparently that's what aewens used for balibibot
2018-11-13 07:35:17	slipyx	its what i use
2018-11-13 07:35:47	fosslinux	that tutorial?
2018-11-13 07:36:02	fosslinux	i meant aewens used that tutorial for balibot
2018-11-13 07:36:09	slipyx	oh
2018-11-13 07:36:30	fosslinux	apparently afai can remember
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2018-11-13 09:08:14	jan6	"01:41:07              ~b€n | /bin/bash isn't in /etc/shells" how tf does that even happen?! it's the default shell most anywhere?
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2018-11-13 23:02:12	--	Topic set by ben on Fri, 07 Sep 2018 17:04:02
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2018-11-13 23:18:12	giacomo	hi guys... what happened?
2018-11-13 23:18:59	giacomo	just curious... 
2018-11-13 23:19:09	aewens	fosslinux happened.
2018-11-13 23:19:39	aewens	He did a netscan that made the VPS vendor, Hetzner, get all fussy since it violates their terms of service.
2018-11-13 23:19:44	dokuja	yay back
2018-11-13 23:20:00	aewens	The commands that caused this has since been uninstalled from the system to prevent repeats
2018-11-13 23:20:10	~ben	1) it's not a vps
2018-11-13 23:20:16	~ben	2) it was a localhost scan
2018-11-13 23:20:54	~ben	3) hetzner's network is weird and for some reason sends unroutable packets to the default gateway
2018-11-13 23:21:00	aewens	Okay, the hardware vendor then. And it was a netscan, just not for external IPs
2018-11-13 23:21:42	~ben	4) they thought something was netscanning from this ip
2018-11-13 23:22:19	giacomo	hum... actually a netscan on local host could have been something I'd do to check if a port is up
2018-11-13 23:22:47	giacomo	I mean... it's something I do on my machines during trubleshotting
2018-11-13 23:23:19	@khuxkm|lounge	but that's your machines, your network
2018-11-13 23:23:22	~ben	yeah.. i'm fairly certain it wasn't malicious
2018-11-13 23:23:30	@khuxkm|lounge	this is their weird, misconfigured network
2018-11-13 23:23:33	@khuxkm|lounge	and their machines
2018-11-13 23:23:38	~ben	but still it's generally a good idea to check with the sysadmin before running nmap
2018-11-13 23:23:40	@khuxkm|lounge	not to mention the correct tool is netstat
2018-11-13 23:23:43	@khuxkm|lounge	:P
2018-11-13 23:23:46	~ben	curl ipinfo.io 
2018-11-13 23:23:48	~ben	done
2018-11-13 23:23:56	~ben	or dig +short tilde.team
2018-11-13 23:24:25	giacomo	mmm... yes... but... hum... maybe write this on the welcome text...
2018-11-13 23:25:13	aewens	fosslinux did this from a container on the system, to the best of our knowledge no one has done this on ~team proper.
2018-11-13 23:25:22	giacomo	I mean... I'm VERY used to do such things... yes they could be maliciuous, but... honestly one year from now, I could totally forget and do it anyway...
2018-11-13 23:27:37	giacomo	aewens: uhm... what's the architecture on this shared machine?
2018-11-13 23:27:59	giacomo	I mean we are each into separated containers?
2018-11-13 23:29:18	aewens	Nah, the containers are something ben spins up for users upon request.
2018-11-13 23:29:38	aewens	We are all on an Ubuntu Server that has a few stray LXD containers lying around it.
2018-11-13 23:31:38	giacomo	it's interesting that at least tilde.zone remained functional otherwise there would be no way to annoy ben :-D
2018-11-13 23:32:14	~ben	giacomo: i'm writing up a post-mortem right now
2018-11-13 23:32:24	~ben	but it has to do with the fact that it was only the primary ip that was blocked
2018-11-13 23:32:33	~ben	ipv6 was still functioning just fine
2018-11-13 23:32:42	~ben	which is what mastodon defaults to
2018-11-13 23:33:01	~ben	nothing actually went down, it was just inaccessible
2018-11-13 23:33:15	aewens	Locally up, globally down
2018-11-13 23:36:26	~ben	mhm :(
2018-11-13 23:36:50	giacomo	ben: I got it... I didn't though about ipv6
2018-11-13 23:37:14	~ben	what about it? the host only locked the primary ipv4 address
2018-11-13 23:37:31	giacomo	ben: this is the exciting life of a sysadmin! :-D
2018-11-13 23:37:36	~ben	seriously
2018-11-13 23:37:43	~ben	kinda derailed my whole day at work
2018-11-13 23:37:48	~ben	but that's fine
2018-11-13 23:38:59	giacomo	well as a user... thanks. :-)
2018-11-13 23:40:11	~ben	lol sure thing
2018-11-13 23:40:19	~ben	i was missing it too cause it's my primary email address!
2018-11-13 23:40:22	@khuxkm|lounge	as a volunteer sysadmin this scared the everloving shit out of me
2018-11-13 23:40:26	@khuxkm|lounge	ben: same
2018-11-13 23:40:50	~ben	as soon as i figured out what it was i calmed down significantly
2018-11-13 23:41:12	@khuxkm|lounge	I was grounded for the better part of today
2018-11-13 23:41:15	@khuxkm|lounge	so no communication
2018-11-13 23:41:30	~ben	oh rip
2018-11-13 23:41:35	@khuxkm|lounge	even if I could use public thelounge (as in, the demo instance) to connect in
2018-11-13 23:41:37	@khuxkm|lounge	I had no devices
2018-11-13 23:41:54	@khuxkm|lounge	I found these things out in classes where they let me use school computers
2018-11-13 23:41:58	~ben	the worst part was that the primary email on the hetzner account was my #tilde.team address
2018-11-13 23:42:13	@khuxkm|lounge	oh fuck
2018-11-13 23:42:16	~ben	ended up forwarding it to my gmail and dealing with it from there
2018-11-13 23:42:42	~ben	and changing the primary address on my hetzner acct
2018-11-13 23:44:32	giacomo	I think these things might happen... it could have been worse actually... there is a lot of reciprocal trust in something like tilde.chat and it's not just trust in people but in their skills
2018-11-13 23:45:42	giacomo	a noob could actually try to scan the network without thinking about it...
2018-11-13 23:45:59	~ben	yeah for sure
2018-11-13 23:46:08	~ben	i think that's pretty much what happened
2018-11-13 23:46:15	giacomo	so maybe removing nmap is actually a good idea :-)
2018-11-13 23:46:18	~ben	yeah it's gone
2018-11-13 23:46:20	~ben	:P
2018-11-13 23:46:58	~ben	it's also partially hetzner's weird network setup
2018-11-13 23:47:09	~ben	10/8 shouldn't end up at the gateway
2018-11-13 23:47:09	giacomo	this doesn't protect against badass that could build it from sources... but at least (should) reduce the risk of errors
2018-11-13 23:47:16	~ben	yeah exactly
2018-11-13 23:47:20	giacomo	(I mean, like my own :-D)
2018-11-13 23:47:37	~ben	if you really wanted to, you could just run the connect(8) syscall as it does in nmap
2018-11-13 23:47:54	~ben	the easiest way to get the ip is to just ask dns
2018-11-13 23:47:54	giacomo	indeed
2018-11-13 23:47:57	~ben	that's what it's for
2018-11-13 23:48:26	~ben	and these queries were only going out on 80 and 443
2018-11-13 23:48:36	giacomo	well, I usually use nmap to troubleshot ports...
2018-11-13 23:48:52	~ben	it's not something i can block reasonably
2018-11-13 23:49:00	~ben	oh yeah i do too
2018-11-13 23:49:23	~ben	but apparently it's relatively easy to trick the host into thinking it's a netscan "attack"
2018-11-13 23:49:47	~ben	i'm going to be looking into redundancy
2018-11-13 23:50:26	deepend	redundancy is always good.. redundancy for all services or just certain services? :D 
2018-11-13 23:54:44	~ben	at least irc
2018-11-13 23:54:48	~ben	i'm not sure about the rest
2018-11-13 23:55:00	~ben	is your.tilde.chat accessible externally deepend ?
2018-11-13 23:55:37	deepend	yes. on an odd port.. probably should open the right port 
2018-11-13 23:56:03	deepend	odd port for ssl and i also have 6667 open since I like to use my older machines on irc as well.. which dont support ssl
2018-11-13 23:56:29	deepend	7766 is what my ssl port I think is at the moment
2018-11-13 23:56:54	~ben	6697?
2018-11-13 23:57:04	~ben	6697 is the ssl port
2018-11-13 23:57:15	~ben	if you add that, i'll add it to the tilde.chat round robin
2018-11-13 23:57:54	~ben	ok i need to finish this post-mortem post
2018-11-14 00:00:17	deepend	ok.. will do that shortly.
2018-11-14 00:01:10	~ben	oh ok :)
2018-11-14 00:01:16	~ben	still writing the post-mortem
2018-11-14 00:01:19	~ben	this might be a bit long
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2018-11-14 00:21:46	edwardthefma	Hey what happened
2018-11-14 00:29:30	@khuxkm|lounge	fosslinux made an oops and did an nmap on 10/8
2018-11-14 00:29:39	@khuxkm|lounge	getting us in hot water with hetzner (our host)
2018-11-14 00:36:27	edwardthefma	O shit
2018-11-14 00:36:46	edwardthefma	New host time
2018-11-14 00:38:31	giacomo	good night people... time to sleep here...
2018-11-14 00:38:56	~ben	night
2018-11-14 00:39:01	~ben	sleep fast ;)
2018-11-14 00:40:42	giacomo	:-)
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2018-11-14 00:47:06	deepend	how hard was it to get hetzner to bring you back online? :D
2018-11-14 00:48:30	~ben	not that bad, just had to ask the right person in the right place, which i know now
2018-11-14 00:48:48	~ben	if i had asked in the right place originally, i think the downtime would have been minimal
2018-11-14 00:50:57	deepend	had someone use a script from the twtxt registry on my server to DDOS another server so they blocked an ip on my server.. only thing I had to do is acknowledge the problem.. ensure the server was fixed and then login to my control panel and click a button to unblock the ip.. ez pz.. no real interaction with the datacenter itself
2018-11-14 00:55:22	deepend	anyways.. enough about ovh for a day.. they should pay me.. lmao
2018-11-14 01:21:06	~ben	i think i just ended up responding to the wrong emails
2018-11-14 01:21:20	~ben	since it was sent to an address that was on the server whose ip they blocked
2018-11-14 01:21:51	~ben	if i had known the proper place to ask originally, it would have been minimal
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2018-11-14 02:42:48	slipyx	or not lied about suspending the perpetrator
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2018-11-14 03:20:32	fosslinux|	slipyx: ben lied about me? oh thanks ben for keeping me safe :|
2018-11-14 03:21:19	~ben	fosslinux|: ?
2018-11-14 03:23:49	fosslinux|	nvm
2018-11-14 03:23:59	fosslinux|	what does slipyx mean
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2018-11-14 03:24:24	slipyx	he told hetzner he banned you
2018-11-14 03:24:36	~ben	i did take away your lxd container
2018-11-14 03:24:43	fosslinux|	k
2018-11-14 03:24:46	fosslinux|	fine
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2018-11-14 04:19:15	fosslinux|	do we have a dedicated server
2018-11-14 04:19:56	fosslinux|	just reading hetzners toc so I don't do anything again
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2018-11-14 04:22:36	fosslinux|2	!toot don't do what I did: Port scanning or the use of similar tools is forbidden.
2018-11-14 04:22:37	minerbot2	fosslinux|2: Tooted!
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2018-11-14 04:30:47	fosslinux	ben: does ~team have a tos currently?
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2018-11-14 04:37:37	fosslinux	khuxkm|lounge: "fosslinux did an oops" beautiful, yes edwardthefma "i did an oops". tbh i'm not even sure why hetnzer has a problem with scanning 10/8 but anyway
2018-11-14 04:37:59	fosslinux	you've got to allow the host
2018-11-14 04:38:03	fosslinux	to do what they want
2018-11-14 04:40:48	edwardthefma	I think tilde team has one rule don't do any thing that fucks up the server or slows down the server for other users
2018-11-14 04:41:52	edwardthefma	Beaware of the laws of motion
2018-11-14 04:43:45	fosslinux	^^ thats our current tos afaik
2018-11-14 04:43:50	fosslinux	but um
2018-11-14 04:44:21	fosslinux	how are we meant to know what f***s up the server?
2018-11-14 04:44:28	fosslinux	i wasn't to know that nmap did
2018-11-14 04:44:36	fosslinux	so thats why we need a proper tos
2018-11-14 04:48:03	edwardthefma	Agreed but why did you do a command without knowing what it did
2018-11-14 04:49:46	edwardthefma	Next time you do a command you don't fully understand please research it
2018-11-14 04:50:24	edwardthefma	Or ask someone :) that 
2018-11-14 04:51:03	fosslinux	i did know what it did
2018-11-14 04:51:24	fosslinux	i knew perfectly well what it did
2018-11-14 04:51:53	fosslinux	i was trying to find the local ~team address in my lxd container network
2018-11-14 04:51:59	fosslinux	oh i see what made you say that
2018-11-14 04:52:19	fosslinux	i meant i wasn't to know that nmap f***ed up the server
2018-11-14 04:54:07	edwardthefma	It's Newton law of motion 
2018-11-14 04:57:22	 *	edwardthefma gets off his soapbox
2018-11-14 04:57:28	edwardthefma	:)
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2018-11-14 08:06:42	erxeto	so we have been banned :-P
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2018-11-14 08:15:08	fosslinux	no
2018-11-14 08:15:18	fosslinux	erxeto:we are not banned
2018-11-14 08:15:32	fosslinux	i just ade an oops
2018-11-14 08:16:27	erxeto	fosslinux: sorry, what ? I was talking about the ip lock at ~team provider.
2018-11-14 08:18:24	fosslinux	yes
2018-11-14 08:18:42	fosslinux	that ip lock was my fault
2018-11-14 08:18:48	erxeto	was it ?
2018-11-14 08:18:52	fosslinux	yes
2018-11-14 08:18:55	fosslinux	read ben's summary here
2018-11-14 08:18:59	fosslinux	1sec
2018-11-14 08:19:06	fosslinux	https://ben.ttm.sh/blog/november-13-post-mortem.html
2018-11-14 08:19:36	fosslinux	^^
2018-11-14 08:22:01	erxeto	I see
2018-11-14 08:22:12	erxeto	so they don't like nmap even on provate renges
2018-11-14 08:23:40	fosslinux	private ranges i think you mean?
2018-11-14 08:23:45	fosslinux	yes for some reason
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2018-11-14 09:00:02	murii	tilde.team is back!
2018-11-14 09:01:53	slipyx	but. for. how. long.
2018-11-14 09:03:03	murii	fossilinux: you broke team?
2018-11-14 09:15:55	murii	So why exactly is it bad to scan for ports using nmap?
2018-11-14 09:16:44	murii	because it was redirected to the gateway and that can bring information about other machines in the network?
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2018-11-14 09:47:36	jan6|	exactly
2018-11-14 09:55:28	murii	I wonder how the hosting company finded out
2018-11-14 09:56:11	murii	are they monitoring all commands executed on their machines?
2018-11-14 09:59:32	murii	ben - where does #tilde.team exist on IRC? What server?
2018-11-14 09:59:53	murii	That channel in case something bad happens like yesterday
2018-11-14 10:11:25	slipyx	12:06:18	<benharri>	if anything like this happens again, there is #tilde.team on freenode and #team on ~town's irc
2018-11-14 10:16:29	jan6	04:56:11             murii | are they monitoring all commands executed on their machines?
2018-11-14 10:16:33	jan6	that's easy
2018-11-14 10:16:43	jan6	you just log the internal network
2018-11-14 10:17:51	jan6	#team exists on team, the good thing is, the irc itself is distributed along all participants of tildeverse, so the services would be gone, but otherwise it'll still function fine...
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2018-11-14 12:55:21	murii	what was the name for the service which hosts tildegit.org?
2018-11-14 13:08:53	slipyx	gitea?
2018-11-14 13:09:16	murii	thanks
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2018-11-14 14:51:34	@khuxkm|lounge	04:15 <murii> So why exactly is it bad to scan for ports using nmap?
2018-11-14 14:51:52	@khuxkm|lounge	specifically, DO NOT scan 10/8 (let alone any address space)
2018-11-14 14:52:02	@khuxkm|lounge	it's against Hetzner TOS to portscan
2018-11-14 15:00:39	jan6	he's asking WHY it's against TOS
2018-11-14 15:00:51	@khuxkm|lounge	because that's bad
2018-11-14 15:01:00	@khuxkm|lounge	use your own machines if you want to portscan
2018-11-14 15:01:05	jan6	it's not BAD
2018-11-14 15:01:09	@khuxkm|lounge	yes it is
2018-11-14 15:01:17	@khuxkm|lounge	anything that gets us in trouble with our host is bad
2018-11-14 15:01:28	@khuxkm|lounge	with a capital 🇧
2018-11-14 15:01:37	jan6	and a capital d
2018-11-14 15:02:14	@khuxkm|lounge	🇧🇦🇩
2018-11-14 15:02:47	jan6	BAD BAT
2018-11-14 15:02:50	jan6	BAD.bat
2018-11-14 15:06:42	edwardthefma	Perhaps we need to disable nmap or at leased make it only available for sudo
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2018-11-14 15:17:14	~ben	nmap is removed
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2018-11-14 15:33:26	jan6	nmap itself is not the problem, not too hard to statically compile it and bring one here
2018-11-14 15:33:38	jan6	or something like that
2018-11-14 15:34:22	jan6	problem is using it for something it can't do, or something you shouldn't do, or both, in this case
2018-11-14 15:37:25	~ben	yeah it was just connect calls to 80 and 443 
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2018-11-14 17:28:58	amcclure[town]	hello team
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2018-11-14 17:32:12	jan6	hello beam
2018-11-14 17:34:10	~ben	yo
2018-11-14 17:46:10	amcclure[town]	ben: would it be possible for amcclure.ttm.sh to point to a different server instead of bsd?
2018-11-14 17:46:41	~ben	hm?
2018-11-14 17:46:47	~ben	i mean it's meant to go to ~team
2018-11-14 17:46:53	~ben	but i added that dns record for you
2018-11-14 17:49:14	amcclure[town]	would it be okay if the a name record could be changed to a different IP please?
2018-11-14 17:52:14	amcclure[town]	I want to be able to keep the same site without having to change links for everything
2018-11-14 17:53:26	~ben	i suppose so
2018-11-14 17:53:29	~ben	where to?
2018-11-14 17:54:04	amcclure[town]	88.98.194.163
2018-11-14 17:55:11	~ben	ipv6 or no
2018-11-14 17:56:09	amcclure[town]	no ipv6
2018-11-14 17:56:38	~ben	ok
2018-11-14 17:57:18	~ben	should be set
2018-11-14 17:57:55	amcclure[town]	ty
2018-11-14 17:58:33	~ben	could you have a look and see if you have any files you could remove in your $HOME
2018-11-14 17:58:35	~ben	it's kinda huge
2018-11-14 17:59:23	amcclure[town]	I did remove the files from bsd
2018-11-14 17:59:51	~ben	oh ok thanks :)
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2018-11-14 18:38:07	arne	Owo
2018-11-14 18:39:26	~ben	Uwu
2018-11-14 18:41:48	tunas	ewe
2018-11-14 18:41:58	~ben	iwi
2018-11-14 18:42:03	tunas	awa
2018-11-14 18:42:16	~ben	ywy
2018-11-14 18:44:13	tunas	иwи
2018-11-14 18:51:16	~ben	:o
2018-11-14 19:17:58	arne	oWo
2018-11-14 19:23:16	~ben	owO
2018-11-14 19:23:39	amcclure[town]	OwO
2018-11-14 19:23:52	aewens	(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
2018-11-14 19:24:32	amcclure[town]	┻━┻ ︵ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ︵﻿ ┻━┻
2018-11-14 19:25:33	aewens	┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
2018-11-14 19:37:28	~ben	(ﾉಥ益ಥ）ﾉ彡┻━┻
2018-11-14 19:37:31	~ben	( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
2018-11-14 19:37:37	~ben	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2018-11-14 20:31:30	~ben	tunas: i just saw you tried to install alpine on bsd.tilde.team
2018-11-14 20:31:34	~ben	it's installed now
2018-11-14 20:31:43	tunas	I did?
2018-11-14 20:31:46	tunas	Huh..
2018-11-14 20:31:52	tunas	I don't even remember that :P
2018-11-14 20:33:03	~ben	lol apparently you did
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2018-11-14 22:21:36	ben_	thoughts on this?: https://tilde.team/wiki/?page=tos
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2018-11-14 22:22:59	aewens	There's that vague line "promoting racial, ethnic, religious, political & other forms of bigotry"
2018-11-14 22:23:33	aewens	If I talk about race, ethics, religion, politics, or "other forms of bigotry" I get banned?
2018-11-14 22:24:56	aewens	Also, would `tilde locate-users` be a violation of the privacy policy?
2018-11-14 22:26:25	aewens	ben: ^
2018-11-14 22:29:08	aewens	Because bigotry is intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from my own, and that about sums up how I feel about people who program in emacs using tabs and {'s on their own line when they could be doing it in vi/vim with spaces putting {'s with the line of code it belongs to like god intended it to be.
2018-11-14 22:30:06	aewens	tl;dr: Verbosity on that line on what's actually disallowed would be appreciated.
2018-11-14 22:37:38	~ben	tbh i adapted thunix's a bit. it's still a draft and "unpublished"
2018-11-14 22:37:48	~ben	i suppose that most of that is covered under the coc
2018-11-14 22:38:09	aewens	Yeah, I was kinda thinking there was some overlap there.
2018-11-14 22:41:00	~ben	i'll update it a bit
2018-11-14 22:44:27	aewens	Sounds good
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2018-11-14 23:06:20	amcclure	oh
2018-11-14 23:06:41	amcclure	anyways got the latest weechat on thunix finally lol
2018-11-14 23:07:32	amcclure	what is tilde-0gnh0q.org?
2018-11-14 23:09:09	aewens	Are you using VHost?
2018-11-14 23:09:24	aewens	Do /vhost off and see if that changes it?
2018-11-14 23:10:23	aewens	Otherwise, that's how weechat is seeing the domain you came from for some odd reason
2018-11-14 23:11:26	amcclure	weird, it's showing amcclure@thunix.org for freenode
2018-11-14 23:12:04	aewens	Hmm, weird, and it's not a vhost issue?
2018-11-14 23:12:17	amcclure	not that I know of
2018-11-14 23:12:23	tunas	amcclure: Do /mode amcclure -x.
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2018-11-14 23:12:42	amcclure	what does mode x do?
2018-11-14 23:12:57	tunas	Cloak hosts.
2018-11-14 23:13:01	amcclure	o
2018-11-14 23:13:08	tunas	tilde-0gnh0q is your cloaked/hashed hostname 
2018-11-14 23:13:12	amcclure	don't remember ever enabling it though
2018-11-14 23:13:15	tunas	, you're now thunix.org.
2018-11-14 23:13:37	tunas	Enabled by default because long ago, people could glean your home IP from your IRC hostname and ddos you.
2018-11-14 23:13:46	tunas	(or so I think)
2018-11-14 23:14:09	aewens	Or do an IP lookup to find where you live
2018-11-14 23:14:16	tunas	That too, yeah.
2018-11-14 23:15:44	amcclure	o
2018-11-14 23:15:52	amcclure	I never connect from home anymore though lol
2018-11-14 23:17:15	tunas	Neither do most people. It's a relic of a foregone past. :P
2018-11-14 23:17:32	tunas	I used to connect from home with Hexchat, but then I learned how to use weechat and glowing-bear.
2018-11-14 23:17:55	amcclure	I'll always be on here with thunix since I finally got weechat to use their repo
2018-11-14 23:18:10	tunas	My first time using IRC was in 2012-ish, when I was a moderator of the MCForge Global Chat (which used IRC.)
2018-11-14 23:18:34	~ben	i can turn off cloak by default if people don't care
2018-11-14 23:18:36	tunas	I was twelve back then... It's hard to believe how it feels like it was ages ago.
2018-11-14 23:18:48	tunas	ben: We should sample other people's opinions on it.
2018-11-14 23:18:55	amcclure	^
2018-11-14 23:18:55	~ben	yeah that's fair
2018-11-14 23:19:03	~ben	i mean it doesn't hurt to have it on
2018-11-14 23:19:31	~ben	got distracted on reddit for a moment
2018-11-14 23:19:36	~ben	tidying up the tos
2018-11-14 23:34:54	~ben	ok check the page now
2018-11-14 23:36:49	aewens	I see you got all the class subnets ruled out, nice
2018-11-14 23:43:18	tunas	My country's hosting provider (MKHost) is offering a dedi located in the US for $250/month.
2018-11-14 23:44:20	tunas	It has a Intel Xeon Quad E3 - CPU 1230v3, 32GB DDR3 RAM, 1 x 250GB SSD, 1 x 1TB Backup Disk, 1gbps, 5 ip addresses, and 20TB bandwidth.
2018-11-14 23:44:38	tunas	Hetzner has that server on auction for... thirty, thirty-five euros.
2018-11-14 23:44:45	~ben	that's so expensive
2018-11-14 23:45:09	~ben	they've got crazy deals
2018-11-14 23:45:21	tunas	$300 USD, not 250. My bad.
2018-11-14 23:45:27	tunas	But that makes it worse 
2018-11-14 23:45:30	~ben	oh god even worse
2018-11-14 23:45:32	tunas	.
2018-11-14 23:45:55	tunas	https://www.mkhost.com.mk/en/dedicated-servers
2018-11-14 23:45:59	tunas	See for yourself...
2018-11-14 23:46:15	tunas	(in English, no worries)
2018-11-14 23:46:28	~ben	holy prices
2018-11-14 23:46:47	tunas	I know, right?
2018-11-14 23:47:21	~ben	i mean hetzner is unmanaged
2018-11-14 23:47:23	~ben	but still
2018-11-14 23:48:05	tunas	Unless the entire support team drives over to my place personally to keep me company when I'm linuxing, it isn't worth it.
2018-11-14 23:48:24	tunas	For 300 bucks I want my own personal sysadmin on a leash xD
2018-11-14 23:52:50	~ben	yeah seriously
2018-11-14 23:52:56	~ben	a tight leash
2018-11-14 23:53:09	~ben	and they better be smarter than me
2018-11-14 23:53:36	tunas	Oh, that doesn't even need to be mentioned, lol.
2018-11-14 23:53:46	~ben	lmao
2018-11-14 23:56:06	tunas	But in my country, there are very few good computer-ererers.
2018-11-14 23:56:50	~ben	that's a thing in small countries
2018-11-14 23:56:54	~ben	:/
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2018-11-15 00:39:41	~ben	wb deepend 
2018-11-15 00:41:41	amcclure	wb
2018-11-15 00:58:43	~ben	warner brothers
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2018-11-15 01:06:27	zaphod	what's up ya zarkin' froods!
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2018-11-15 01:07:15	~ben	.uptime
2018-11-15 01:07:15	zaphod	 20:07:15 up 127 days, 22:54, 178 users,  load average: 2.50, 1.65, 1.09
2018-11-15 01:08:13	ben|bsd	.thanks
2018-11-15 01:08:15	ben|bsd	.help
2018-11-15 01:08:15	zaphod	hey don't panic! i'm the president of the galaxy. available modules: admin, ascii, help, hhgtg, source, talk, tictactoe, time, uptime. do `.help <module>` for more info on each.
2018-11-15 01:11:28	dokuja	haha thats awesome
2018-11-15 01:12:38	~ben	.hhgtg
2018-11-15 01:12:39	zaphod	The last ever dolphin message was misinterpreted as a surprisingly sophisticated attempt to do a double-backwards-somersault through a hoop whilst whistling the ‘Star Spangled Banner’, but in fact the message was this: So long and thanks for all the fish.
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2018-11-15 03:57:15	dokuja	.hhgtg
2018-11-15 03:57:15	zaphod	The disadvantages involved in pulling lots of black sticky slime from out of the ground where it had been safely hidden out of harm’s way, turning it into tar to cover the land with, smoke to fill the air with and pouring the rest into the sea, all seemed to outweigh the advantages of being able to get more quickly from one place to another.
2018-11-15 04:04:47	amcclure	does GPL v3 require attributation, and if so, would an acknowledgement in copyright.php be good enough?
2018-11-15 04:07:24	amcclure	(anyone know?)
2018-11-15 04:22:16	~ben	gpl v3 does require attribution
2018-11-15 04:22:27	~ben	.hhgtg
2018-11-15 04:22:27	zaphod	The Guide says that the best drink in existence is the Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster. It says that the effect of a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster is like having your brains smashed out by a slice of lemon wrapped round a large gold brick.
2018-11-15 04:24:03	amcclure	ben: would I be able to have an attributation in copyright.php, or should it go in the footer with the Copyright (C) info
2018-11-15 04:24:14	amcclure	or both
2018-11-15 04:24:16	~ben	i have no idea 
2018-11-15 04:24:19	~ben	both to be safe?
2018-11-15 07:04:46	fosslinux	anyway
2018-11-15 07:04:55	fosslinux	now to fix my problem which caused the ip lock in the first place
2018-11-15 07:05:08	fosslinux	what is the ip of ~team from lxd containers
2018-11-15 07:05:39	slipyx	9
2018-11-15 07:05:44	slipyx	might be wrong
2018-11-15 07:07:27	fosslinux	9
2018-11-15 07:07:31	fosslinux	just 9?
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2018-11-15 07:37:32	~ben	not sure what you mean
2018-11-15 07:37:40	~ben	195.201.242.48?
2018-11-15 07:37:52	~ben	or are you trying to figure out the ip of the bridge?
2018-11-15 07:38:08	fosslinux	i meant like if i sshed fosslinux@xxx.yyy.zzz.aaa then i would get into ~team
2018-11-15 07:38:23	fosslinux	is there a way to do that without going through the internet?
2018-11-15 07:38:39	~ben	why do you need to do that
2018-11-15 07:38:47	~ben	just use the normal ip
2018-11-15 07:38:49	fosslinux	ok
2018-11-15 07:39:03	fosslinux	i was wondering if it would be faster without going through internet
2018-11-15 07:39:37	~ben	negligibly
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2018-11-15 13:32:57	amcclure	hello
2018-11-15 13:49:50	tunas	Hi hi.
2018-11-15 13:53:39	SinaCutie	Hiyo
2018-11-15 13:58:57	~ben	morning
2018-11-15 14:06:00	erxeto	o/
2018-11-15 14:06:40	erxeto	hey ben, did you write something about the new redundant setup ? I'm curious about how it's done
2018-11-15 14:08:26	~ben	oh no i haven't written anything up
2018-11-15 14:08:29	~ben	i definitely can though
2018-11-15 15:07:33	edwardthefma	Sup all
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2018-11-15 15:46:28	tunas	Hi edwardthefma, how's it going?
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2018-11-15 16:50:24	~ben	welcome tude1 !
2018-11-15 16:54:38	tude1	whoa, putting me in a byobu session by default is sweet!
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2018-11-15 16:56:37	~ben	heh :D
2018-11-15 16:56:50	~ben	it's an easy place to start from
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2018-11-15 16:59:24	~ben	make sure you check out the wiki: https://tilde.team/wiki/
2018-11-15 17:05:50	tude	very cool
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2018-11-15 19:32:55	edwardthefma	Sup all
2018-11-15 19:34:08	erxeto	o/ edwardthefma 
2018-11-15 19:35:42	tunas	Hi for the second time, edwardthefma.
2018-11-15 19:35:58	edwardthefma	Lol
2018-11-15 19:36:48	edwardthefma	What you guys up too
2018-11-15 19:40:35	tunas	I'm playing some EyeWire after a long time 
2018-11-15 19:40:37	tunas	You?
2018-11-15 19:43:29	edwardthefma	Fixing to get on minecraft and start on my phantom grinder
2018-11-15 19:43:52	fosslinux	o/
2018-11-15 19:47:12	tunas	Hey fosslinux.
2018-11-15 19:50:10	jan6	hai
2018-11-15 19:54:16	fosslinux	hi
2018-11-15 19:54:20	fosslinux	whats up?
2018-11-15 19:55:33	tunas	I might upload my collection of tracker modules to either ~town or ~team.
2018-11-15 19:55:51	fosslinux	tracker modules? for what?
2018-11-15 19:56:01	tunas	Music trackers, silly! :P
2018-11-15 19:56:06	tunas	For people to listen to them.
2018-11-15 19:56:18	fosslinux	oh
2018-11-15 19:56:20	fosslinux	lol
2018-11-15 19:56:25	fosslinux	:P
2018-11-15 19:56:38	fosslinux	keep in mind that neither have much disk space :P
2018-11-15 19:56:44	tunas	Yeah, I saw. :/
2018-11-15 19:56:46	fosslinux	thunix has a hell load though
2018-11-15 19:56:48	fosslinux	nearly 3tb
2018-11-15 19:56:50	tunas	I have about 3GB of mod files.
2018-11-15 19:56:53	tunas	Thunix it is, then!
2018-11-15 19:57:25	fosslinux	i don't use thunix much
2018-11-15 19:57:38	tunas	Only my weechat resides on ~team.
2018-11-15 19:58:35	fosslinux	what do you use ~town for?
2018-11-15 19:58:40	fosslinux	i don't have town.
2018-11-15 20:05:05	amcclure	fosslinux: thunix has nearly 7tb total
2018-11-15 20:05:21	tunas	fosslinux: I use ~town for the people ;)
2018-11-15 20:05:35	amcclure	the 3tb is for /home
2018-11-15 20:05:45	amcclure	I think
2018-11-15 20:06:22	amcclure	nvm i can't remember how much there is total lol
2018-11-15 20:06:46	amcclure	there's 7tb somewhere though lol
2018-11-15 20:11:07	tunas	God, I love rsync <3
2018-11-15 20:13:22	~ben	i'm trying to shoot for a soft 1gb $HOME size limit but up to 5 is cool
2018-11-15 20:13:32	~ben	feel free to put it here, just keep an eye on df -h
2018-11-15 20:13:37	~ben	tunas: ^^
2018-11-15 20:13:53	tunas	ben: Will do, I'll even make it less than 3GB.
2018-11-15 20:14:01	~ben	heh ok
2018-11-15 20:14:11	~ben	town is low on all resources unfortunately
2018-11-15 20:14:25	~ben	vil overpays at aws too :(
2018-11-15 20:14:35	tunas	Oh no, it's hosted on AWS?
2018-11-15 20:14:37	amcclure	:(
2018-11-15 20:14:41	tunas	Aw beans. :/
2018-11-15 20:14:52	tunas	I don't wanna be a strain on it any more than I already am.
2018-11-15 20:15:43	amcclure	I'm thinking of relicensing my site and site content as Creative Commons, should I allow adaptations to be shared and/or commercial uses?
2018-11-15 20:16:10	~ben	yeah town is on a ec2 
2018-11-15 20:16:15	tunas	amcclure: I think SA-NC is good .
2018-11-15 20:16:26	tunas	What is your site's content?
2018-11-15 20:16:27	~ben	i think vil pays triple what i do for 1/8th the resources
2018-11-15 20:16:32	tunas	But whyyyyyyy?
2018-11-15 20:16:40	~ben	good question
2018-11-15 20:16:54	~ben	rsync / root@newserver:/ is too hard?
2018-11-15 20:16:55	tunas	Why not just get a server off hetzner on auction? Or even a VPS off digital ocean or ovh or something?
2018-11-15 20:17:06	amcclure	^
2018-11-15 20:17:14	tunas	I don't think it's hardness, maybe he gets a discount. I hope he does.
2018-11-15 20:17:15	~ben	hetzner has high ping 
2018-11-15 20:17:20	amcclure	:(
2018-11-15 20:17:31	~ben	he works at github so he wouldn't get any discounts as amazon
2018-11-15 20:17:54	~ben	nah, i talked to him about it before and he was saying it'd be too hard
2018-11-15 20:18:28	tunas	I dunno, man.
2018-11-15 20:18:54	tunas	By the way, I talked to my ISP and turns out they also offer VPS and colo services.
2018-11-15 20:19:21	tunas	https://www.vip.mk/delovni/ict/Vip-VPS
2018-11-15 20:19:50	~ben	oh wow that's a lot of cyrillic
2018-11-15 20:20:19	~ben	i have no idea what 2 of your currency is lol
2018-11-15 20:20:32	~ben	are you on the euro?
2018-11-15 20:21:39	tunas	ben: It didn't pop up in English?
2018-11-15 20:21:43	~ben	lol no
2018-11-15 20:21:48	tunas	I wonder why...
2018-11-15 20:21:53	tunas	It popped up in english for me.
2018-11-15 20:22:01	~ben	2 currency units/mo seems like a good deal
2018-11-15 20:22:14	~ben	and you have 3 decimal places for money?
2018-11-15 20:22:42	tunas	ben: It's weird, but that's a thousands separator. :P
2018-11-15 20:22:49	tunas	Two thousand of my moon money.
2018-11-15 20:22:58	tunas	Which is... less than $40/mo.
2018-11-15 20:23:17	~ben	oh that's the thousands separator??
2018-11-15 20:23:29	~ben	what's the decimal separator then?
2018-11-15 20:23:41	tunas	.
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2018-11-15 20:23:42	zaphod	what's up ya zarkin' froods!
2018-11-15 20:23:51	~ben	rips
2018-11-15 20:23:56	tunas	today I learned our thousands separator crashes zaphod
2018-11-15 20:24:13	~ben	so . is both the thousands and decimal separator?
2018-11-15 20:24:18	aewens	Does it? 1,000
2018-11-15 20:24:21	aewens	1.000
2018-11-15 20:24:25	aewens	Hmm
2018-11-15 20:24:32	tunas	Nope: . is the decimal separator, and , is the thousands separaotr.
2018-11-15 20:24:34	~ben	$40 is way overpriced for that
2018-11-15 20:24:35	tunas	separator*
2018-11-15 20:24:50	~ben	tunas: the site you linked has . as the thousands separator
2018-11-15 20:25:35	tunas	Literally what: https://i.imgur.com/dbsXlhY.png
2018-11-15 20:25:53	tunas	First it's in Macedonian for you and English for me, now it's got the separators wrong?
2018-11-15 20:26:05	tunas	I swear I didn't tick any box to switch to English. It must've been a cookie from before xD
2018-11-15 20:26:44	tunas	ben: Keep in mind that they also say they'll license windows server for it.
2018-11-15 20:26:53	tunas	I leave it to you to judge whether that makes it worthwhile.
2018-11-15 20:27:00	~ben	https://i.imgur.com/MVBwUBq.png
2018-11-15 20:27:06	~ben	i have darkreader.org on
2018-11-15 20:27:12	~ben	ew windows server
2018-11-15 20:27:44	tunas	Not like I'll use windows server, but the idiots here do.
2018-11-15 20:27:49	~ben	lol
2018-11-15 20:28:02	tunas	I get paid a good amount of money (by the living standard here) to migrate them to Linux.
2018-11-15 20:28:11	tunas	Thus saving them even more money on licensing.
2018-11-15 20:28:24	tunas	Now, not everyone using windows server is an idiot.
2018-11-15 20:28:31	tunas	These are just idiots that use windows server.
2018-11-15 20:28:34	amcclure[town]	oof
2018-11-15 20:28:38	~ben	lol 
2018-11-15 20:35:05	tunas	https://tunas.tilde.team/TrackerModules/4-Mat_-_Back_again.mod
2018-11-15 20:35:06	tunas	Ha ha!
2018-11-15 20:35:19	tunas	...oh, it doesn't work that way.
2018-11-15 20:35:36	~ben	doesn't work which way?
2018-11-15 20:36:05	tunas	By directly referencing a file.
2018-11-15 20:36:07	~ben	ooh i like your little directory list
2018-11-15 20:36:09	~ben	https://tunas.tilde.team/
2018-11-15 20:36:25	tunas	Open player.php.
2018-11-15 20:36:38	~ben	you need /mods/ before TrackerModules
2018-11-15 20:36:45	tunas	Yeah, I noticed :P
2018-11-15 20:36:49	tunas	But there's also a player!
2018-11-15 20:36:57	~ben	owo that's dope
2018-11-15 20:37:06	~ben	i'll have another look when i get home
2018-11-15 20:37:13	~ben	just finishing up at work
2018-11-15 20:37:32	tunas	I stole the player from someone (without deleting the credit text.)
2018-11-15 20:37:39	tunas	I'm too lazy to write my own :P
2018-11-15 20:37:41	~ben	heh that's fine ;)
2018-11-15 20:37:42	tunas	(and too incompetent)
2018-11-15 20:38:13	~ben	just gotta do trial and error 
2018-11-15 20:38:15	~ben	with php
2018-11-15 20:38:18	~ben	save, reload, try again
2018-11-15 20:39:02	tunas	It now loads a file by default on startup.
2018-11-15 20:39:10	~ben	dope
2018-11-15 20:39:20	tunas	Because I find it's confusing for the user to find nothing loaded and have to hunt down the "load song" button.
2018-11-15 20:39:28	~ben	that's totally fair
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2018-11-16 07:56:46	erxeto	hen ben, if you need any help with the HA plans for ~team services I can give a hand ;-)
2018-11-16 07:56:54	erxeto	s/hen/hey/
2018-11-16 07:56:54	sedbot	<erxeto> hey ben, if you need any help with the HA plans for ~team services I can give a hand ;-)
2018-11-16 08:39:26	SinaCutie	Good morning :)
2018-11-16 08:39:31	SinaCutie	Rather, "hi"
2018-11-16 08:41:26	slipyx	buongiorno bello mio
2018-11-16 10:49:03	tunas	Hi slipyx, SinaCutie.
2018-11-16 10:49:11	tunas	I'm two hours late, but hey.
2018-11-16 10:49:32	SinaCutie	XD
2018-11-16 10:49:34	SinaCutie	How goes?
2018-11-16 11:18:20	tunas	It goes, it goes.
2018-11-16 11:18:25	tunas	It's Friday, thank god.
2018-11-16 11:26:46	SinaCutie	Hee
2018-11-16 11:26:54	SinaCutie	Yeah, I'm glad it's Friday
2018-11-16 11:34:42	tunas	Any weekend plans?
2018-11-16 11:42:58	SinaCutie	Relaxing and likely playing some games.
2018-11-16 11:43:10	SinaCutie	Though knowing me, I might say that and then end up programming.
2018-11-16 12:08:01	jan6	lol
2018-11-16 12:08:11	jan6	programming is a game too
2018-11-16 12:12:10	SinaCutie	Definitely.
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2018-11-16 12:58:00	brendantcc_lounge	tunas: me: likely going round to a friend's place at around midday, or it might be that they come round to mine
2018-11-16 12:58:02	brendantcc_lounge	idk yet
2018-11-16 12:59:58	tunas	SinaCutie: How do you manage to intend to play a game and end up getting work done?
2018-11-16 13:00:09	SinaCutie	I love programming.
2018-11-16 13:00:10	tunas	For most people it's the opposite: sit down to code and end up playing a game...
2018-11-16 13:00:14	tunas	:P
2018-11-16 13:00:21	SinaCutie	And it's not "work" so much as my own projects.
2018-11-16 13:00:33	brendantcc_lounge	i've been working on a html profile page for my little bro
2018-11-16 13:00:35	tunas	I wanna get into programming, but school doesn't let me do anything beyond slooooooow learning of C++.
2018-11-16 13:00:50	brendantcc_lounge	so far i've done profiles for ben, tomasino, and a friend of mine
2018-11-16 13:01:02	SinaCutie	I find great enjoyment in programming, the same way as reading and playing games. Though it's much easier to open up a folder and start programming, than it is to load a game, sometimes. :)
2018-11-16 13:01:03	zyeri	is it actually C++ or is it "C++"?
2018-11-16 13:01:22	brendantcc_lounge	who knows zyeri
2018-11-16 13:01:22	tunas	zyeri: What is the difference?
2018-11-16 13:01:35	brendantcc_lounge	btw IT'S A WHOLE NEEEEWWWW DAAAYYYY over here lol
2018-11-16 13:01:39	tunas	brendantcc_lounge: I put some of my mod files on ~team.
2018-11-16 13:01:46	tunas	brendantcc_lounge: Midnight?
2018-11-16 13:01:51	tunas	You're 14 hours behind me?
2018-11-16 13:01:57	brendantcc_lounge	australia, mate
2018-11-16 13:02:01	zyeri	tunas: C++ usually involves the STL, for example, while "C++" is "C with classes".
2018-11-16 13:02:05	tunas	Oh, *ahead!*
2018-11-16 13:02:06	brendantcc_lounge	time.is/melbourne
2018-11-16 13:02:07	tunas	Makes more sensen.
2018-11-16 13:02:20	brendantcc_lounge	also i think im 14 hours AHEAD
2018-11-16 13:02:26	SinaCutie	xD
2018-11-16 13:02:29	zyeri	note that "C++ but raw pointers", while technically C++, is basically an extension of "C with classes"
2018-11-16 13:02:35	brendantcc_lounge	17th nov, 2018
2018-11-16 13:02:45	tunas	zyeri: In the four years I've been learning c++ at school, we haven't even touched on classes or structs.
2018-11-16 13:02:46	zyeri	brendantcc_lounge: ISO8601 m8
2018-11-16 13:02:50	zyeri	tunas: oh dear
2018-11-16 13:02:51	tunas	Or even functions, I think!
2018-11-16 13:02:56	brendantcc_lounge	hey SinaCutie, you new around here? i dont recall seeing you before
2018-11-16 13:02:57	tunas	Not even arrays!!!!
2018-11-16 13:03:07	tunas	brendantcc_lounge: SinaCutie has been around intermittently.
2018-11-16 13:03:08	zyeri	Goddamned arrays. Don't use those (in C++)
2018-11-16 13:03:10	SinaCutie	I have been around for a week or two :)
2018-11-16 13:03:15	zyeri	use std::array or std::vector instead
2018-11-16 13:03:24	tunas	Ah, I see.
2018-11-16 13:03:26	SinaCutie	I'm usually more active during my morning.
2018-11-16 13:03:34	zyeri	If you need raw arrays, then: 1) you don't need raw arrays and 2) you don't need raw arrays.
2018-11-16 13:03:38	brendantcc_lounge	belated welcome to the crew, SinaCutie!
2018-11-16 13:03:42	SinaCutie	Thankies~
2018-11-16 13:03:49	tunas	Why do they not teach us Python, Clojure, JavaScript, Go, Rust?
2018-11-16 13:03:56	brendantcc_lounge	I'm Brendan *sticks hand out for handshake*
2018-11-16 13:04:14	tunas	Simpler languages with an easier zero-to-functional-practical-program rate?
2018-11-16 13:04:15	zyeri	Well, Python is a decent learning language, but Clojure, JavaScript, Go, and Rust are slightly more complicated to pick up
2018-11-16 13:04:22	brendantcc_lounge	btw you guys are on my tv screen...
2018-11-16 13:04:27	tunas	zyeri: Python is the best choice.
2018-11-16 13:04:29	brendantcc_lounge	got my laptop hooked up over hdmi
2018-11-16 13:04:34	SinaCutie	I'm, uh, Sina. XD
2018-11-16 13:04:35	zyeri	tunas: there is no "best" choice
2018-11-16 13:04:35	tunas	brendantcc_lounge: Neat!
2018-11-16 13:04:40	zyeri	there are only tradeoffs
2018-11-16 13:04:42	SinaCutie	They are all good for different things :) 
2018-11-16 13:04:48	brendantcc_lounge	btw my little bro is watching this convo
2018-11-16 13:04:49	SinaCutie	Like flavours of candy.
2018-11-16 13:04:54	zyeri	if you start with C, you'll learn how memory works fairly quickly
2018-11-16 13:05:10	tunas	For the skill level of the students in my country, and how interested they are in programming?
2018-11-16 13:05:11	brendantcc_lounge	i personally prefer HTML as a start...
2018-11-16 13:05:13	tunas	Python.
2018-11-16 13:05:17	brendantcc_lounge	html
2018-11-16 13:05:22	tunas	Heck, they even found scratch boring.
2018-11-16 13:05:23	zyeri	if you start with Python, it will take longer before you need to start caring about the underlying memory model, but you're more likely to pick up other programming concepts more easily
2018-11-16 13:05:37	tunas	zyeri: Yeah, that's what they need.
2018-11-16 13:05:41	zyeri	tunas: what country? if you don't mind me asking
2018-11-16 13:05:42	brendantcc_lounge	zyeri: is html a good starter language?
2018-11-16 13:05:45	tunas	Macedonia.
2018-11-16 13:05:50	SinaCutie	Oh wow, brendantcc_lounge, it'd been forever since I'd seen <marquee> until checking out your tilde
2018-11-16 13:05:53	tunas	I gotta go to school, see ya later!
2018-11-16 13:05:57	SinaCutie	See you!
2018-11-16 13:06:00	brendantcc_lounge	see ya tunas!
2018-11-16 13:06:04	zyeri	ah, I don't know much about Macedonia
2018-11-16 13:06:12	brendantcc_lounge	and remember to stay in school kids!
2018-11-16 13:06:29	brendantcc_lounge	(this means you, little bro who is watching this conversation)
2018-11-16 13:06:31	zyeri	brendantcc_lounge: aren't you the kid here? :P
2018-11-16 13:06:35	SinaCutie	:')
2018-11-16 13:06:40	brendantcc_lounge	shush
2018-11-16 13:06:43	brendantcc_lounge	im a teen thanks
2018-11-16 13:06:56	brendantcc_lounge	brendantcc.tilde.team/aboutme
2018-11-16 13:07:10	tunas	I don't know what I qualify as.
2018-11-16 13:07:11	brendantcc_lounge	do nut call me kid
2018-11-16 13:07:13	tunas	I'm seventeen now.
2018-11-16 13:07:24	tunas	Am I still a teen, or is that bordering on young adult?
2018-11-16 13:07:29	brendantcc_lounge	you're still a teen by australian law
2018-11-16 13:07:44	brendantcc_lounge	you ID as adult at 18
2018-11-16 13:07:54	brendantcc_lounge	at least by aussie law...
2018-11-16 13:07:56	SinaCutie	Sarcastically, I'd say "you're a teen until you're twenty."
2018-11-16 13:07:58	brendantcc_lounge	and i think US law...
2018-11-16 13:08:05	brendantcc_lounge	lol sina...
2018-11-16 13:08:30	zyeri	tunas: seventeen? definitely a kid
2018-11-16 13:08:44	zyeri	but I'm 24, so I'm basically ancient in comparison
2018-11-16 13:08:51	brendantcc_lounge	(btw my lil bro is saying "LOL! it's true. it's true!", sinacutie)
2018-11-16 13:08:57	SinaCutie	If you're ancient, what the heck am I, zyeri X'D
2018-11-16 13:09:08	brendantcc_lounge	zyeri: you're older than ben, but younger than tomasino and deepend
2018-11-16 13:09:22	 *	zyeri doesn't know how old everyone else is
2018-11-16 13:09:22	tunas	Funny thing is, I'm a legal adult thanks to a loophole where there is nobody to take custody of me.
2018-11-16 13:09:28	zyeri	oh fun
2018-11-16 13:09:45	brendantcc_lounge	zyeri: im 14 m8
2018-11-16 13:09:50	tunas	So I've been a young adult since the age of 15/16, but not a "young adult".
2018-11-16 13:09:59	brendantcc_lounge	alright gtg
2018-11-16 13:10:05	 *	brendantcc_lounge and lil bro sleps
2018-11-16 13:10:22	tunas	But yeah, I'm still a kid, I got used to that.
2018-11-16 13:10:35	tunas	SinaCutie: If you're ancient, how old are you?
2018-11-16 13:10:40	SinaCutie	:') Nearly 31.
2018-11-16 13:10:46	brendantcc_lounge	riperoni
2018-11-16 13:10:56	brendantcc_lounge	hey wait a second...
2018-11-16 13:11:02	brendantcc_lounge	that means you saw the days of dialup!
2018-11-16 13:11:07	SinaCutie	Yes.
2018-11-16 13:11:11	SinaCutie	I worked on my dad's BBS :)
2018-11-16 13:11:40	 *	brendantcc_lounge gathers everyone in a circle on the ground around sinacutie, everyone sitting with their legs crossed
2018-11-16 13:11:42	SinaCutie	Door games will forever hold a soft spot in my heart.
2018-11-16 13:11:44	brendantcc_lounge	tell us the days!
2018-11-16 13:12:33	brendantcc_lounge	no really
2018-11-16 13:12:46	SinaCutie	There isn't much to tell. I was in primary school, haha.
2018-11-16 13:12:46	brendantcc_lounge	also https://brendantcc.tilde.team/media/dialup.mp3 ;)
2018-11-16 13:12:59	brendantcc_lounge	primary school? UK?
2018-11-16 13:13:21	brendantcc_lounge	https://brendantcc.tilde.team/media/dialup.mp4
2018-11-16 13:13:30	brendantcc_lounge	sorry messed up by one character lol
2018-11-16 13:13:33	brendantcc_lounge	enjoy this
2018-11-16 13:13:39	brendantcc_lounge	not that silly sound lol
2018-11-16 13:28:09	jan6	hey, why not make a tilde bbs?
2018-11-16 13:28:38	jan6	now-a-days there aren't dialup BBSs, but there definitely are quite a few telnet ones
2018-11-16 13:30:42	SinaCutie	I used to telnet into a bbs to play some LORD, but it was incredibly inactive, and thus not so fun. xD
2018-11-16 13:40:04	SinaCutie	Oh yeah, I was gonna turn my tilde theme into a proper colourscheme for the team css. 
2018-11-16 13:51:45	jan6	there are quite a few bbss, some are not terribly inactive
2018-11-16 13:52:03	SinaCutie	Yeah.
2018-11-16 13:52:44	jan6	also, if you go to electronic chicken bbs then there's a lot of real fun ansi blocky games, kinda like really low res graphical games
2018-11-16 13:53:10	jan6	pacman and chicken delivery and lemmings and stuff
2018-11-16 13:57:33	SinaCutie	Hee
2018-11-16 14:00:18	erxeto	https://www.telnetbbsguide.com/
2018-11-16 14:00:27	erxeto	just in case you want to take a look :-P
2018-11-16 14:04:49	SinaCutie	:)
2018-11-16 14:06:40	tunas	I still have an account on AdeptBBS.
2018-11-16 14:06:57	tunas	jan6: I've been to echicken!!
2018-11-16 14:07:25	tunas	Chicken Delivery is still in my memory from when I was a wee lad interested in technology far older than I am. :P
2018-11-16 14:07:31	tunas	(plus I was on a craputer)
2018-11-16 14:27:31	jan6	!whois chicken.cool
2018-11-16 14:27:32	BabiliBot	chicken.cool is 'available'
2018-11-16 14:27:48	jan6	cool domain
2018-11-16 15:13:38	~ben	morning 
2018-11-16 15:27:24	SinaCutie	Hello :) 
2018-11-16 15:30:37	SinaCutie	I'm still tweaking the colours, but this is what I have so far for the dracula colourscheme ben https://sinacutie.ttm.sh/dracula-1.png
2018-11-16 15:31:01	~ben	oh shit that looks amazing
2018-11-16 15:31:09	~ben	far more cohesive than the current colorscheme
2018-11-16 15:32:16	SinaCutie	I have my sources currently at https://tildegit.org/SinaCutie/css/src/branch/feature/dracula-colours
2018-11-16 15:34:33	SinaCutie	There's a few more things that could be changed, but is basically done. :)
2018-11-16 16:00:57	~ben	i'd love to provide that as an additional theme!
2018-11-16 16:05:53	SinaCutie	:) that's why I'm setting up the LESS build system to build it as well as the hacker theme :)
2018-11-16 16:05:59	SinaCutie	Whoops, double smiley
2018-11-16 16:08:36	~ben	oooo nice!
2018-11-16 16:08:58	~ben	i'm pretty awful at colors/design stuff, so i love getting patches for it :D
2018-11-16 16:09:12	SinaCutie	You should be able to npm run build and it will build it out into the dist/ folder.
2018-11-16 16:09:24	SinaCutie	Hee. I am usually pretty bad with them myself.
2018-11-16 16:09:49	~ben	lol your screenshot is evidence to the contrary at least!
2018-11-16 16:20:24	~ben	just got the PR! looks great!
2018-11-16 16:20:44	~ben	looks like you committed a .kate-swp file from your editor SinaCutie 
2018-11-16 16:20:53	SinaCutie	Oh whoops
2018-11-16 16:20:56	SinaCutie	I will fix that.
2018-11-16 16:21:22	SinaCutie	I thought I'd disabled that file generation. >_<
2018-11-16 16:21:35	~ben	feel free to add it to .gitignore if you like!
2018-11-16 16:22:27	~ben	you could also change the npm run deploy script to scp dist/*.css tilde.team:/var/www/tilde.team/css/
2018-11-16 16:22:40	~ben	or i can do that after merging it
2018-11-16 16:22:56	SinaCutie	Oh right, I will do that while I remove this file.
2018-11-16 16:23:18	~ben	oh ok perfect :)
2018-11-16 16:27:20	SinaCutie	There we go. :)
2018-11-16 16:28:10	~ben	gotta be scp dist/*.css tilde.team:/var/www/tilde.team/css/
2018-11-16 16:28:25	SinaCutie	Ah, I thought you mistyped in here. XD
2018-11-16 16:28:25	~ben	drop the hacker.css on the end or it'll skip darcula.css
2018-11-16 16:28:30	SinaCutie	So you want me to remove you from it.
2018-11-16 16:28:36	SinaCutie	I was leaving it as it was.
2018-11-16 16:28:49	~ben	oh yeah, it will take your current $USER
2018-11-16 16:29:01	~ben	and if you don't have access to /var/www/tilde.team you won't be able to do it anyways
2018-11-16 16:29:05	SinaCutie	Yeah.
2018-11-16 16:32:58	SinaCutie	It was just there when I forked so I assumed it had to be that way for some reason. xD
2018-11-16 16:33:07	~ben	oh you're still overwriting hacker.css specifially
2018-11-16 16:33:20	SinaCutie	Hm?
2018-11-16 16:33:30	~ben	so dist/*.css will pick up dracula.css and hacker.css 
2018-11-16 16:33:34	SinaCutie	Yes
2018-11-16 16:33:40	~ben	and be copied to /var/www/tilde.team/css/hacker.css twice
2018-11-16 16:34:21	SinaCutie	Hm?
2018-11-16 16:34:22	SinaCutie	Oh no
2018-11-16 16:34:24	SinaCutie	The scp line lmao
2018-11-16 16:34:35	SinaCutie	weh
2018-11-16 16:34:52	SinaCutie	I should have waited until I was more awake :')
2018-11-16 16:36:12	SinaCutie	"deploy": "scp dist/*.css tilde.team:/var/www/tilde.team/css/",
2018-11-16 16:36:15	SinaCutie	Would be proper, yeah?
2018-11-16 16:37:10	~ben	yup exactly :)
2018-11-16 16:37:19	~ben	thanks for bearing with me on that
2018-11-16 16:37:37	SinaCutie	Thanks for putting up with my micro-commits :V
2018-11-16 16:37:43	SinaCutie	I'm usually not so scattered xD
2018-11-16 16:37:56	SinaCutie	I am on new meds. 
2018-11-16 16:39:09	~ben	lol no problem!
2018-11-16 16:49:26	~ben	SinaCutie: should be deployed!
2018-11-16 16:50:09	SinaCutie	Okay!
2018-11-16 16:50:27	SinaCutie	Converting my page to using it :)
2018-11-16 16:51:04	~ben	woot!
2018-11-16 16:51:15	~ben	i just switched my page to it
2018-11-16 16:51:18	~ben	looks super good
2018-11-16 16:51:20	~ben	:D
2018-11-16 16:51:41	SinaCutie	:D
2018-11-16 16:52:11	SinaCutie	Oh it does look good on yours.
2018-11-16 16:53:23	SinaCutie	Also did bb rebuild on my blog and it looks good too
2018-11-16 16:58:10	~ben	oh i should probably do that too!
2018-11-16 16:58:25	~ben	i was going to edit my blog post from yesterday too
2018-11-16 17:17:39	jan6	-rwxr-xr-x 1 www-data www-data 116K Nov 16 18:48 hacker.css
2018-11-16 17:17:48	jan6	lol, why's hacker.css executable?
2018-11-16 17:24:11	aewens	Because it's secretly a malicious malware binary tricking you into thinking it's just a cascading style sheet, of course /s
2018-11-16 17:25:14	~ben	fixed
2018-11-16 17:25:16	~ben	thanks
2018-11-16 17:25:26	aewens	However I'm guessing it's more becauce someone did `chmod -R 755` instead of `chmod -R 744`.
2018-11-16 17:26:24	~ben	i'm not sure
2018-11-16 17:35:42	jan6	not sure the index.php needs to be executable either, since it doesn't have any hasbangs at the start, but that's fine, helps differentiate
2018-11-16 17:43:07	~ben	php needs to be executable
2018-11-16 17:43:14	~ben	http://status.tilde.team
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2018-11-16 18:06:43	~ben	welcome to tilde.team thunder !
2018-11-16 18:07:55	thunder	quit
2018-11-16 18:08:18	~ben	hm?
2018-11-16 18:09:37	thunder	nm. snafu
2018-11-16 18:09:45	~ben	heh
2018-11-16 18:09:52	~ben	that's fair :P
2018-11-16 18:13:39	thunder	I wasn't expecting weechat to popup suddently. not sure if/how I triggered it.
2018-11-16 18:15:30	thunder	also, hi! thanks for the welcome. :)
2018-11-16 18:15:59	~ben	it's set to launch by default :)
2018-11-16 18:16:07	~ben	glad to have you here
2018-11-16 18:16:11	~ben	have a look around
2018-11-16 18:16:17	~ben	especially the wiki: https://tilde.team/wiki/
2018-11-16 18:16:25	~ben	and as always, feel free to holler if you have any questions
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2018-11-16 18:24:51	thunder	thanks. I'll rtfm.
2018-11-16 18:25:16	ahriman	hola everyone
2018-11-16 18:25:24	~ben	hola
2018-11-16 18:25:26	~ben	hallo
2018-11-16 18:25:28	~ben	bonjour
2018-11-16 18:25:36	ahriman	que pasaaaaa
2018-11-16 18:25:46	~ben	no mucho
2018-11-16 18:25:52	~ben	es viernes
2018-11-16 18:26:26	ahriman	i love the theme youve set weechet to use
2018-11-16 18:27:16	~ben	heh thanks :)
2018-11-16 18:27:31	~ben	i nabbed a bit of it from #!
2018-11-16 18:27:53	ahriman	shebang?
2018-11-16 18:27:58	~ben	hashbang.sh
2018-11-16 18:28:01	ahriman	ohhhhh
2018-11-16 18:28:05	~ben	https://github.com/hashbang/dotfiles
2018-11-16 18:28:14	~ben	https://hashbang.sh
2018-11-16 18:28:21	~ben	another cool project
2018-11-16 18:32:41	ahriman	nifty
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2018-11-16 20:49:02	thunder	see you's soon
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2018-11-16 21:45:33	giacomo	ben: I do not know nginx much, but there is a way I can put a folder behind authetnication in my public_html?
2018-11-16 21:46:00	giacomo	in apache I would use an htaccess, but apparently nginx doesn't support it
2018-11-16 21:46:13	~ben	yeah htaccess is an apache thing
2018-11-16 21:46:49	giacomo	I can write a php script but maybe there is something simpler/faster
2018-11-16 21:47:00	~ben	there's no easy way to do that because i have so many server blocks set up for user sites
2018-11-16 21:47:26	~ben	if i were to add it, i'd have to add that rule for every vhost
2018-11-16 21:59:07	jan6	given you can't put folder behind auth, you can't really protect the files in it, even with php
2018-11-16 21:59:15	jan6	as long as the person knows the url
2018-11-16 21:59:56	~ben	why's that?
2018-11-16 22:00:07	~ben	put the file outside public_html
2018-11-16 22:00:16	~ben	pass the filename/path as a parameter to php
2018-11-16 22:18:01	giacomo	fine looks reasonable... I thought there was a way I was missing... I'll go with the php approach
2018-11-16 22:18:22	jan6	hmm, that way maybe
2018-11-16 22:19:42	giacomo	I guess you could limit php to do that for security reasons too...
2018-11-16 22:20:08	giacomo	I mean, to open file outside the virtual host
2018-11-16 22:21:25	~ben	yeah, basically anything in public_html is public
2018-11-16 22:24:50	jan6	I 17:19:42           giacomo | I guess you could limit php to do that for security reasons too...
2018-11-16 22:24:54	jan6	do what?
2018-11-16 22:37:42	giacomo	jan6: open files outside the virtual host
2018-11-16 22:38:21	giacomo	it has been a while since I professionally programmed in PHP but I remember it was possible (on apache) a decade ago
2018-11-16 22:47:11	jan6	you mean by that?
2018-11-16 22:47:48	giacomo	not sure I understand your question jan6 
2018-11-16 22:48:16	jan6	"limit php to do that"
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2018-11-16 23:03:13	cognifice	Hi, peoples.
2018-11-16 23:04:10	~ben	yo waddup cognifice 
2018-11-16 23:04:13	~ben	how goes it
2018-11-16 23:05:13	cognifice	Okay, a bit bored. What is something fun to do?
2018-11-16 23:05:39	~ben	hmm
2018-11-16 23:05:47	~ben	i mean i usually just hang out on irc
2018-11-16 23:05:54	jan6	make an irc bot
2018-11-16 23:05:55	aewens	I find offering unhelpful advice can be fun sometimes.
2018-11-16 23:06:03	~ben	read some stories on https://tilde.news
2018-11-16 23:06:09	jan6	then make an OS in php
2018-11-16 23:06:32	aewens	jan6: They said fun, not masochistic pleasure
2018-11-16 23:06:38	jan6	heh
2018-11-16 23:06:41	jan6	to each their own
2018-11-16 23:08:50	cognifice	I have no idea how to do any of those things.
2018-11-16 23:10:18	aewens	cognifice: You have the whole of human knowledge wrapped up in the Internet to learn how to.
2018-11-16 23:11:37	~ben	checking up on https://tilde.news doesn't require any special knowledge
2018-11-16 23:11:40	cognifice	1.Just because it is available, doesn't mean it can be used.
2018-11-16 23:12:02	cognifice	2. There is no reasonable incentive to do so.
2018-11-16 23:12:10	~ben	huh?
2018-11-16 23:13:41	aewens	Okay, then what incentives are compelling you to do things now?
2018-11-16 23:15:22	cognifice	Honestly, not sure. Anhedonia can be a b****.
2018-11-16 23:17:23	aewens	Does avoiding displeasure work, because that can also be a motivating factor.
2018-11-16 23:20:06	cognifice	Maybe.
2018-11-16 23:21:49	edwardthefma	Sup all
2018-11-16 23:21:49	cognifice	I played around on YourWorldOfText.com for a bit, but it soon lost its appeal.
2018-11-16 23:22:01	cognifice	Hi, @edwardthefma.
2018-11-16 23:22:22	aewens	cognifice: Try out the paperclip game http://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html
2018-11-16 23:24:09	cognifice	Ewww, it is one of those cookie clicker type games. No thanks.
2018-11-16 23:24:56	giacomo	ben: with accesskey="S" on an input type=submit you can get Alt+Shift+S to sumbit the form without javascript 
2018-11-16 23:25:35	giacomo	I'll add to the sr.ht todo as an info... even if it's not exactly what was asked...
2018-11-16 23:25:40	~ben	would that work from inside a textarea?
2018-11-16 23:25:46	giacomo	but it's the best approximation I can get
2018-11-16 23:25:50	giacomo	I think so
2018-11-16 23:25:53	~ben	did you snag an account over there?
2018-11-16 23:26:03	~ben	ohh i see what you're saying
2018-11-16 23:26:10	~ben	add that attribute to the input
2018-11-16 23:26:24	giacomo	yes it work
2018-11-16 23:26:34	~ben	it's a super cool project
2018-11-16 23:26:41	giacomo	to the submit
2018-11-16 23:26:42	~ben	i've been hanging out in #sr.ht on freenode too
2018-11-16 23:27:00	~ben	i'm just used to using ctrl+enter 
2018-11-16 23:27:42	giacomo	yes very cool I've just written to Drew: I'd like to use it with Jehanne
2018-11-16 23:28:02	~ben	he seemed open to getting projects on there
2018-11-16 23:28:13	giacomo	but building an OS (if a small one) is an expensive task
2018-11-16 23:28:25	~ben	oh dang i had your blog post up on my other machine
2018-11-16 23:28:30	~ben	haven't had a chance to look at it yet
2018-11-16 23:28:43	~ben	oh btw a nitpick: it's awakens not awakes
2018-11-16 23:28:46	giacomo	if the build run more smoothly than on travis I would pay my $20
2018-11-16 23:29:03	~ben	i think the execution limit is 1 hour right now
2018-11-16 23:29:20	giacomo	it could suffice
2018-11-16 23:29:32	~ben	https://man.sr.ht/builds.sr.ht/
2018-11-16 23:30:12	giacomo	building the whole Jehanne is 2 to 3 minutes, tests (run in qemu) take 10 minutes (and are run two times)
2018-11-16 23:30:20	~ben	he also mentioned that project organizations will be coming soon-ish 
2018-11-16 23:30:24	giacomo	the problem is building the gcc cross toolchain
2018-11-16 23:30:27	~ben	with a ^prefix instead of ~user
2018-11-16 23:30:42	~ben	that definitely sounds doable
2018-11-16 23:32:06	giacomo	the ~ prefix in newsletters sound a bit strange though :-)
2018-11-16 23:35:48	~ben	lol yeah it does doesn't it
2018-11-16 23:38:17	giacomo	ben: does "awakes" mean anything? is a word in English?
2018-11-16 23:38:50	giacomo	I don't like the title of that post, but it was too late to think a better one... 
2018-11-16 23:39:28	~ben	not a proper word
2018-11-16 23:39:30	giacomo	and google translate was able to translate it in Italian
2018-11-16 23:39:40	~ben	the verb is awaken
2018-11-16 23:39:46	~ben	awake is an adjective
2018-11-16 23:41:49	giacomo	fuck... http://www.wordreference.com/enit/awake fooled me
2018-11-16 23:44:53	~ben	huh yeah that's wrong
2018-11-16 23:45:19	~ben	https://www.gingersoftware.com/english-online/spelling-book/confusing-words/awaken-awake-wake-waken
2018-11-16 23:49:24	giacomo	so the system call is badly named awake(milliseconds), right?
2018-11-16 23:50:56	cognifice	What is new in cyberspace these days?
2018-11-16 23:56:14	cognifice	http://monsterbreeder.com/
2018-11-17 00:01:50	~ben	yeah it is :P
2018-11-17 00:01:56	~ben	wake or awaken
2018-11-17 00:02:17	~ben	i've been super geeked about https://sr.ht
2018-11-17 00:02:25	cognifice	What is it?
2018-11-17 00:02:43	~ben	open source code forge
2018-11-17 00:03:09	cognifice	Is that like GitHub?
2018-11-17 00:04:11	tomasino	that's super cool
2018-11-17 00:04:27	cognifice	Hi, tomasino .
2018-11-17 00:04:35	tomasino	heya cognifice 
2018-11-17 00:04:52	tomasino	well now that i'm dual-casting i may move my files over to tilde.team so they're served a little faster
2018-11-17 00:04:57	tomasino	for the podcast, i mean
2018-11-17 00:05:48	cognifice	What podcast?
2018-11-17 00:07:01	tomasino	my Choose Your Own Adventure show, i grabbed the archives and show notes and made a podcast xml
2018-11-17 00:07:06	tomasino	http://tomasino.sdf.org/cyoa.xml
2018-11-17 00:09:00	tomasino	i'm pushing all my show notes and archives up to team now
2018-11-17 00:09:04	tomasino	this is exciting
2018-11-17 00:09:08	deepend	tomasino: your show is an hour ?  Just so I know.. I think I am going to put me after you
2018-11-17 00:09:14	tomasino	yep, 1 hour on the dot
2018-11-17 00:09:28	deepend	okie.. I'll toss me after your show then :) 
2018-11-17 00:09:49	tomasino	nice! tilde auto-switch streams, or do i need to be careful to cut out my show right at 0200 UTC?
2018-11-17 00:09:56	tomasino	anonradio cuts me off, so that's why i'm not sure
2018-11-17 00:11:38	deepend	is all good tomasino .. I will just go on whenever your off.. tilderadio times are always somewhat flexible :) 
2018-11-17 00:12:43	giacomo	ben looks like a curse... first `creat` then `awake` :-D
2018-11-17 00:13:24	~ben	giacomo: lol something like that
2018-11-17 00:17:42	giacomo	Jehanne FAQ: What you would change in Jehanne? I would type `awake` with an 'n'.
2018-11-17 00:17:51	 *	giacomo facepalm...
2018-11-17 00:22:45	~ben	lmao
2018-11-17 00:30:40	cognifice	 Juan Rome#0571 is my Discord name, if anyone wants to contact me there.
2018-11-17 00:30:48	cognifice	Goodbye for now.
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2018-11-17 00:31:49	~ben	ciao!
2018-11-17 00:44:34	giacomo	cognifice is Italian?
2018-11-17 00:47:58	giacomo	I've had an exchange with Drew over mails: he proposed to even set up a base image to build on Jehanne natively, but this cannot work as Jehanne is not self-hosted yet and I have no sshd  
2018-11-17 00:48:07	giacomo	a cool guy though
2018-11-17 00:49:12	~ben	yeah he seeems super nice
2018-11-17 00:49:20	~ben	i've been chatting in #sr.ht on freenode
2018-11-17 00:49:30	~ben	also i'm setting up a sr.ht install on nand.pub (a vps)
2018-11-17 00:49:37	~ben	/join #sr.ht here for updates on that
2018-11-17 00:54:20	deepend	dumb question.. whats sr.ht?    lol
2018-11-17 00:54:52	~ben	https://sr.ht
2018-11-17 00:56:48	deepend	noice
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2018-11-17 09:50:04	SinaCutie	Hi hi.
2018-11-17 09:52:07	slipyx	bom dia minha linda
2018-11-17 09:55:11	SinaCutie	How're you?
2018-11-17 09:55:29	slipyx	dandy
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2018-11-17 18:35:29	~ben	hello!
2018-11-17 20:06:40	tomasino	hiya
2018-11-17 20:06:50	~ben	yo tomasino 
2018-11-17 20:06:52	~ben	how goes it
2018-11-17 20:06:59	tomasino	good good
2018-11-17 20:07:09	tomasino	i got myself distracted and dusted off an old makefile experiment 
2018-11-17 20:07:15	~ben	noice
2018-11-17 20:07:18	tomasino	https://github.com/jamestomasino/ts-boilerplate
2018-11-17 20:07:27	tomasino	i went into a little typescript hole
2018-11-17 20:07:47	~ben	oh solid
2018-11-17 20:07:54	tomasino	it's a little weird on that front still. I need to figure out a better way to deal with modules that doesn't require a loader and a bunch of crap later
2018-11-17 20:08:18	tomasino	it started as an experiment to see if I could make a super-modern web dev workflow without webpack
2018-11-17 20:08:27	tomasino	it's close. very, very close
2018-11-17 20:08:33	tomasino	and that makefile is dead sexy
2018-11-17 20:08:34	~ben	webpack is huge
2018-11-17 20:08:41	tomasino	webpack is awful in every single way
2018-11-17 20:09:06	tomasino	it's bundled into too many things
2018-11-17 20:09:07	~ben	any ideas on how to pull in the plex webfonts for team/css
2018-11-17 20:09:11	~ben	https://tildegit.org/team/css
2018-11-17 20:09:22	~ben	you made me think of it again now that you're talking about web stuffs
2018-11-17 20:09:33	tomasino	oh, yeah. they're google webfontsn
2018-11-17 20:09:34	~ben	there's also a super nice alternate color theme 
2018-11-17 20:09:41	tomasino	you just select the weights you need and download the ttfs
2018-11-17 20:09:43	~ben	thanks to SinaCutie for that patch
2018-11-17 20:09:48	tomasino	then rurn it through fontsquirrel
2018-11-17 20:09:55	~ben	i thought webfonts were woff2
2018-11-17 20:10:01	~ben	they include those in the releases
2018-11-17 20:10:10	tomasino	then that saved you the fontsquirrel trouble
2018-11-17 20:10:21	tomasino	woff && woff2 for slightly older browser support
2018-11-17 20:10:35	~ben	i just don't know how to get them to work with the less build thingy
2018-11-17 20:10:38	tomasino	thanks SinaCutie 
2018-11-17 20:10:43	~ben	so the paths are right 
2018-11-17 20:11:34	tomasino	view-source:https://www.pavingmypath.com/styles.css
2018-11-17 20:11:37	tomasino	like this
2018-11-17 20:12:38	jan6	15:09:55              ~ben | i thought webfonts were woff2
2018-11-17 20:12:46	fosslinux	not alway
2018-11-17 20:12:47	jan6	webfonts are anything the browser supports
2018-11-17 20:13:18	jan6	generally woff,woff2,ttf,otf I think a few less common ones technically too
2018-11-17 20:14:21	fosslinux	ie supports more
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2018-11-17 21:04:42	amcclure[team]	hello
2018-11-17 21:06:45	~ben	hi
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2018-11-17 21:52:22	amcclure[team]	oh
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2018-11-17 21:54:08	~ben	amcclure[team]: you should consolidate your weechats
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2018-11-17 21:58:25	asm	hello
2018-11-17 21:58:53	fosslinux	hey asm
2018-11-17 22:02:33	fosslinux	khuxkm, ben: PING ssh.tilde.team (195.201.242.2) 56(84) bytes of data.
2018-11-17 22:02:33	fosslinux	From tilde.team (195.201.242.48) icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable
2018-11-17 22:02:40	~ben	i'm looking into it
2018-11-17 22:02:44	fosslinux	cool
2018-11-17 22:03:01	~ben	i'm guessing it's something to do with the ip lock
2018-11-17 22:03:20	fosslinux	hmmm probably
2018-11-17 22:03:26	fosslinux	i haven't tried connecting since
2018-11-17 22:04:03	@khuxkm	ooh yeah hadn't thought of that
2018-11-17 22:04:17	@khuxkm	ben: try reaching out to Hetzner?
2018-11-17 22:04:52	~ben	the panel doesn't show that it's blocked or anything
2018-11-17 22:05:31	@khuxkm	make sure its still assigned to the box?
2018-11-17 22:05:37	jan6	^
2018-11-17 22:05:50	fosslinux	^
2018-11-17 22:05:59	tildebeast	<>
2018-11-17 22:05:59	jan6	^
2018-11-17 22:06:02	jan6	↑
2018-11-17 22:06:09	tildebeast	v
2018-11-17 22:06:21	jan6	↓
2018-11-17 22:06:28	jan6	÷
2018-11-17 22:06:34	tildebeast	too rich for my blood. i fold :)
2018-11-17 22:06:47	fosslinux	lol
2018-11-17 22:06:50	jan6	÷ and conquer
2018-11-17 22:06:56	@khuxkm	ben: see above? maybe it came unassigned during the IP lock?
2018-11-17 22:07:01	@khuxkm	that would make sense
2018-11-17 22:07:17	@khuxkm	seeing as how if they lock 1 IP on a box with 2, you could continue to use the other IP
2018-11-17 22:07:23	fosslinux	yep
2018-11-17 22:12:56	fosslinux	ben, khuxkm: and also when you get a minute : stat: cannot stat '/home/aewens/bin/make-link': No such file or directory (from `tilde list`)
2018-11-17 22:13:49	@khuxkm|lounge	can you put the output of ls ~aewens/bin in a paste and post it here?
2018-11-17 22:14:50	fosslinux	➜ ls ~aewens/bin
2018-11-17 22:14:50	fosslinux	download-container  enter-container  locate-user  rewrite  upload-containe
2018-11-17 22:15:21	fosslinux	aewens: ^
2018-11-17 22:22:38	~ben	login: holodeck isn't wokring
2018-11-17 22:22:49	fosslinux	oh
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2018-11-17 22:25:06	~ben	i just pinged you and you weren't in here
2018-11-17 22:25:08	~ben	lol
2018-11-17 22:26:43	asm	hello
2018-11-17 22:26:47	fosslinux	hello asm
2018-11-17 22:26:57	fosslinux	what's your issue
2018-11-17 22:27:22	~ben	login1: holodeck isn't working
2018-11-17 22:27:46	login1	Alright, can i see over talk?
2018-11-17 22:28:01	fosslinux	asm: https://tilde.team/~asm/suggestions 404 not found
2018-11-17 22:28:23	~ben	mkdir ~/public_html/suggestions/
2018-11-17 22:29:03	login1	i forgot to run this over tmux
2018-11-17 22:29:06	login1	will quit and come back
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2018-11-17 22:29:46	login1	Alright, back now
2018-11-17 22:29:50	~ben	login1: Sorry, an error was encountered in running /home/login/bin/holodeck_files/holodeck.py. Does holodeck.py exist at this path?
2018-11-17 22:31:16	login1	That happens if the execve fails
2018-11-17 22:31:54	login1	Let me try to fix this in another way
2018-11-17 22:34:15	~ben	ok
2018-11-17 22:38:17	asm	fosslinux: asm.ttm.sh should look the same as amcclure.ttm.sh
2018-11-17 22:40:13	~ben	asm: remember i set up amcclure.ttm.sh to resolve to thunix' ip
2018-11-17 22:41:34	asm	ik
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2018-11-17 22:48:31	amcclure	hello
2018-11-17 22:48:46	~ben	wb
2018-11-17 22:48:59	amcclure	ty
2018-11-17 22:49:01	login1	try now, i think i fixed holodeck
2018-11-17 22:49:21	~ben	ok
2018-11-17 22:49:32	~ben	/usr/local/bin/tilde: line 260: /tilde/bin/holodeck: Permission denied
2018-11-17 22:49:59	amcclure	not sure why it wasn't using the header and footer files I had in public_html lol
2018-11-17 22:50:08	~ben	huh?
2018-11-17 22:51:29	login1	But, Isn't setuid maintained when execve is used?
2018-11-17 22:53:34	login1	Does it work now, ben?
2018-11-17 22:53:53	login1	The change I made was passing the environment to the overlayed function
2018-11-17 22:53:58	~ben	permission denied
2018-11-17 22:54:07	~ben	why do you need setuid
2018-11-17 22:54:14	login1	Does setuid work after an execve?
2018-11-17 22:54:40	~ben	idk
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2018-11-17 22:57:26	@khuxkm|lounge	login: does this work?
2018-11-17 22:57:35	@khuxkm|lounge	it seems to
2018-11-17 22:57:52	@khuxkm|lounge	ben: in future you can sajoin townies into channels through badchan config :P
2018-11-17 22:58:10	~ben	oh ok
2018-11-17 22:58:13	~ben	but it's not a long-term solution
2018-11-17 22:58:23	login1	Does it work now?
2018-11-17 22:58:25	@khuxkm|lounge	yeah
2018-11-17 22:58:43	login1	does holodeck work now?
2018-11-17 22:58:44	@khuxkm|lounge	long term solution == vilmibm removes the #team and #your badchan configs
2018-11-17 22:58:55	@khuxkm|lounge	short-term solution == just SAJOIN them through
2018-11-17 22:59:09	@khuxkm|lounge	login1: you can use your main client now btw, just sajoined it in
2018-11-17 22:59:18	login1	long-term solution: there is a linking of the same identity across tildeboxes
2018-11-17 22:59:40	~ben	yeah it works now login
2018-11-17 22:59:46	login1	let me change one thing
2018-11-17 23:00:11	login1	Alright, I changed the one thing. Does it still continue to work ben?
2018-11-17 23:00:19	~ben	no
2018-11-17 23:00:26	login1	So the thing I changed was the permission on "other"
2018-11-17 23:00:52	login1	Are you able to directly run /home/login/bin/holodeck?
2018-11-17 23:00:57	login1	(on your own shell, outside tilde)
2018-11-17 23:01:10	login1	(outside the tilde executable)
2018-11-17 23:01:37	~ben	not executable by this user
2018-11-17 23:01:47	login1	are you part of the 'team' group?
2018-11-17 23:01:49	~ben	-rwsr-x---
2018-11-17 23:01:51	~ben	no
2018-11-17 23:01:53	~ben	i'm not
2018-11-17 23:01:59	login1	So who is part of the team group?
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2018-11-17 23:02:21	login1	Well, now i'm utterly confused...
2018-11-17 23:02:25	login1	ben=benharri, right?
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2018-11-17 23:02:49	~ben	sry, i switched to the benharri user that is in team gropu
2018-11-17 23:03:06	login1	no need to apologise. you are 100% within your rights to do so
2018-11-17 23:03:16	login1	did it work with benharri?
2018-11-17 23:03:18	~ben	yes
2018-11-17 23:03:38	login1	My aim was to have it work with anyone in the team group, but not have it work with others (just to be cautious)
2018-11-17 23:03:57	login1	Is that okay for the purposes of the tilde executable?
2018-11-17 23:04:10	~ben	??
2018-11-17 23:04:14	login1	btw, if it's not rude, why is ben not a part of tilde but benharri is?
2018-11-17 23:04:24	~ben	why bother having different permissions for group and other
2018-11-17 23:04:30	login1	(by 'tilde', i meant 'team')
2018-11-17 23:04:40	~ben	oh, my user is in sudo
2018-11-17 23:04:58	login1	Well, 'nobody' should not be able to execute holodeck
2018-11-17 23:05:38	~ben	who's that?
2018-11-17 23:06:01	~ben	ok i added the sudoers to the team group 
2018-11-17 23:06:05	~ben	as a secondary grou;p
2018-11-17 23:06:27	~ben	i wouldn't consider that a security risk
2018-11-17 23:06:44	login1	https://askubuntu.com/questions/329714/what-is-the-purpose-of-the-nobody-user
2018-11-17 23:07:01	login1	i don't know what a secondary group is
2018-11-17 23:07:17	~ben	look at id
2018-11-17 23:07:19	~ben	`id`
2018-11-17 23:07:24	~ben	and `id ben`
2018-11-17 23:07:32	~ben	gid= is your primary group
2018-11-17 23:07:40	~ben	groups= is your secondary groups
2018-11-17 23:08:35	login1	I think every user that is a part of tilde.team should be a part of the team group
2018-11-17 23:08:43	~ben	that's the idea, yes
2018-11-17 23:08:48	login1	If someone hacks this server's httpd (which runs as 'nobody'), they should not be able to run holodec
2018-11-17 23:09:01	~ben	nginx runs as www-data
2018-11-17 23:09:21	login1	www-data is a user?
2018-11-17 23:09:26	~ben	yes
2018-11-17 23:09:34	~ben	less /etc/passwd
2018-11-17 23:12:13	login1	Alright, so i checked which groups www-data is a part of, and it's not a part of team
2018-11-17 23:12:39	~ben	yeah it's not
2018-11-17 23:12:43	login1	so if nginx were compromised and arbitrary command execution became possible, tilde.team's website might get defaced, but holodeck will remain untouched without a privilege escalation vulnerability
2018-11-17 23:13:00	~ben	lol what
2018-11-17 23:13:24	login1	basically, www-data should not run holodeck
2018-11-17 23:13:24	~ben	that would be the least of my worries
2018-11-17 23:13:30	~ben	but ok
2018-11-17 23:13:37	login1	I mean, what can www-data do?
2018-11-17 23:13:42	login1	What does it have access to?
2018-11-17 23:13:54	@khuxkm|lounge	I'm having issues ssh'ing into tilde.team
2018-11-17 23:14:14	~ben	ok i heard back from hetzner
2018-11-17 23:14:19	login1	Not much right, if 0 permissions are set on 'other'
2018-11-17 23:14:21	~ben	they're saying it's still up
2018-11-17 23:14:29	login1	We're not on hetzner rn?
2018-11-17 23:14:30	~ben	and something's misconfigured on my end?
2018-11-17 23:14:34	~ben	lolwut
2018-11-17 23:14:40	~ben	~team is on hetzner
2018-11-17 23:14:44	login1	alright
2018-11-17 23:15:04	@khuxkm|lounge	so SSH is reporting alive AFAICT (using tildecheck)
2018-11-17 23:15:05	login1	i was able to connect to tilde.team again...
2018-11-17 23:15:21	~ben	ssh is working fine for me
2018-11-17 23:15:36	@khuxkm|lounge	i waited 22 seconds and it doesn't load
2018-11-17 23:15:38	~ben	secondary ip is still unroutable for some reason
2018-11-17 23:15:39	login1	oh wait, i don't ssh into tilde.team, i mosh
2018-11-17 23:15:45	~ben	same thing login1 
2018-11-17 23:15:56	login1	well, yeah
2018-11-17 23:16:03	@khuxkm|lounge	hmm
2018-11-17 23:16:06	login1	but i ran ssh ttm, and that worked too
2018-11-17 23:16:17	@khuxkm|lounge	i mean, my ping is just fine
2018-11-17 23:16:23	~ben	ttm.sh resolves to the primary ip
2018-11-17 23:16:25	@khuxkm|lounge	but SSH is taking forever and I don't know why
2018-11-17 23:16:43	~ben	ssh.tilde.team is the only record that resolves to the secondary ip
2018-11-17 23:16:46	login1	perhaps the load is high and crypto takes time?
2018-11-17 23:16:54	@khuxkm|lounge	!load
2018-11-17 23:17:06	@khuxkm|lounge	can someone see if we're under load stress?
2018-11-17 23:17:52	login1	perhaps it's because of port?
2018-11-17 23:18:03	~ben	.uptime
2018-11-17 23:18:03	zaphod	 18:18:03 up 130 days, 21:05, 186 users,  load average: 0.70, 1.22, 1.33
2018-11-17 23:18:06	~ben	.70
2018-11-17 23:18:15	login1	0.73 1.22 1.32
2018-11-17 23:18:32	login1	zaphod is a good bot
2018-11-17 23:18:38	~ben	ok ssh.tilde.team is back up
2018-11-17 23:18:55	login1	i think ssh.tilde.team's ports are closed...
2018-11-17 23:19:01	~ben	nope it's up
2018-11-17 23:19:08	~ben	i just tested it
2018-11-17 23:19:15	login1	alright, now 22 worked
2018-11-17 23:19:38	login1	i tried 80 when 22 didn't work, then 80 didn't work, then i wrote ports are closed, before which you wrote ssh.tilde.team is back up
2018-11-17 23:19:55	login1	I confirmed connected through ssh.tilde.team
2018-11-17 23:20:14	@khuxkm	there we go
2018-11-17 23:20:22	login1	I think we should inaugurate holodeck's first room
2018-11-17 23:20:32	login1	Everything else starts from this room.
2018-11-17 23:20:46	login1	It's like creating a genesis block for an infinite story tree/cycle
2018-11-17 23:22:35	~ben	i've never used it before
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2018-11-18 00:56:27	fosslinux	asm/amcclure: and... how were you getting that to work
2018-11-18 00:57:21	edwardthefma	Sup fosslinux
2018-11-18 00:57:34	fosslinux	not much edwardthefma you?
2018-11-18 00:58:16	edwardthefma	Working on my drowned  grinder
2018-11-18 00:58:24	fosslinux	still :P
2018-11-18 00:58:30	fosslinux	i'll join a bit later
2018-11-18 00:58:47	edwardthefma	I'm done with it
2018-11-18 00:58:51	fosslinux	nice
2018-11-18 00:59:13	edwardthefma	It's freaking evil
2018-11-18 00:59:32	~ben	still playing the witcher 3 :)
2018-11-18 01:00:08	edwardthefma	I'm torchering a poor villagrr
2018-11-18 01:00:46	~ben	/r/boneappletea
2018-11-18 01:00:48	~ben	lol
2018-11-18 01:01:22	fosslinux	poor villager
2018-11-18 01:01:39	~ben	s/che/tu
2018-11-18 01:01:50	tunas	Maybe it was a pun?
2018-11-18 01:01:54	tunas	Torch torture?
2018-11-18 01:01:58	~ben	oh that could be
2018-11-18 01:03:19	edwardthefma	I have a villager incased in a glass case under water
2018-11-18 01:03:41	fosslinux	why why why
2018-11-18 01:03:46	fosslinux	why would you do that
2018-11-18 01:03:50	edwardthefma	So he can be bait for drowned zombis
2018-11-18 01:04:04	fosslinux	oh ok
2018-11-18 01:04:07	fosslinux	that makes sense
2018-11-18 01:04:22	fosslinux	drowned
2018-11-18 01:04:26	fosslinux	they're new right
2018-11-18 01:04:33	fosslinux	what version is the srver?
2018-11-18 01:04:37	edwardthefma	Water zombies
2018-11-18 01:04:46	edwardthefma	1.13.2
2018-11-18 01:04:49	@khuxkm|lounge	^
2018-11-18 01:05:16	fosslinux	lol i didn't know there was a 1.13.2
2018-11-18 01:05:21	fosslinux	i only knew there was 1.13
2018-11-18 01:08:17	fosslinux	ben: i was going to run linkchecker (https://wummel.github.io/linkchecker/) on tilde.team from ~team, just don't want to do it without checking with you in case thats not allowed by hetzner or you
2018-11-18 01:08:51	~ben	that should be ok
2018-11-18 01:08:56	fosslinux	ok
2018-11-18 01:08:58	fosslinux	cool
2018-11-18 01:09:02	~ben	feel free to run it against localhost
2018-11-18 01:09:06	fosslinux	yep
2018-11-18 01:09:08	fosslinux	that was my plan
2018-11-18 01:09:16	~ben	like curl -H "Host:https://tilde.team" localhost
2018-11-18 01:09:19	fosslinux	but hetzner got pissed by nmapping against lcoalhost
2018-11-18 01:09:25	~ben	i've blocked those subnets
2018-11-18 01:09:35	fosslinux	very good idea
2018-11-18 01:09:36	~ben	10/8 isn't necessarily localhost
2018-11-18 01:11:41	fosslinux	"This program requires Python requests 2.2.0 or later." um that's installed
2018-11-18 01:11:43	fosslinux	anyone know why?
2018-11-18 01:12:09	fosslinux	oh nvm it's in /usr/local thats why
2018-11-18 01:12:21	~ben	the python3-requests package is installed
2018-11-18 01:12:35	~ben	so is python-requests
2018-11-18 01:12:38	fosslinux	as is python2
2018-11-18 01:12:48	fosslinux	weird
2018-11-18 01:15:41	fosslinux	hmmmmm
2018-11-18 01:15:45	fosslinux	Collecting requests<2.15,>=2.2 (from LinkChecker==9.4.0)
2018-11-18 01:15:45	fosslinux	  Downloading https://files.pythonhosted.org/packages/e4/b0/286e8a936158e5cc5791d5fa3bc4b1d5a7e1ff4e5b3f3766b63d8e97708a/requests-2.14.2-py2.py3-none-any.whl (560kB)
2018-11-18 01:15:48	fosslinux	weird
2018-11-18 01:15:57	~ben	hmmst
2018-11-18 01:16:01	~ben	what are you looking for?
2018-11-18 01:16:29	fosslinux	well it installed requests
2018-11-18 01:16:42	fosslinux	i found there was a newer version
2018-11-18 01:16:56	fosslinux	so i downloaded the wheel and ran pip install --user blah.whl
2018-11-18 01:17:03	fosslinux	and it installed requests too
2018-11-18 01:17:07	fosslinux	but its already installed
2018-11-18 01:18:26	~ben	weird
2018-11-18 02:02:37	tunas	https://tunas.tilde.team/player.php now works on phones too.
2018-11-18 02:06:53	~ben	woah cool
2018-11-18 02:21:14	tomasino	awesome! and a great track!
2018-11-18 02:21:22	tomasino	i have an mp3 rip of that mod
2018-11-18 02:23:43	tomasino	there it is... BetaMaster - Alcohol120 Activator
2018-11-18 02:23:49	tomasino	it was a keygen track on that
2018-11-18 02:24:11	tomasino	great stuff
2018-11-18 02:34:16	~ben	awesome little site :D
2018-11-18 03:03:30	amcclure	back
2018-11-18 03:03:56	~ben	front
2018-11-18 03:03:57	amcclure	fosslinux: php include code
2018-11-18 03:04:10	fosslinux	oh
2018-11-18 03:04:31	fosslinux	i would just ask ben to forward it to amcclure.tilde.team
2018-11-18 03:04:34	fosslinux	thats easier
2018-11-18 03:04:40	~ben	hm?
2018-11-18 03:04:59	amcclure	it's okay
2018-11-18 03:05:13	amcclure	I want asm.* to still be for ~team
2018-11-18 03:05:20	fosslinux	and amcclure for?
2018-11-18 03:05:35	~ben	there are far too many default pages left
2018-11-18 03:05:37	~ben	imo
2018-11-18 03:05:49	amcclure	since amcclure.ttm.sh (and just amcclure.ttm.sh) has an A Name record to hexhaxtron's server (thunix.org)
2018-11-18 03:06:12	fosslinux	ben: i think i asked you before but i fogot
2018-11-18 03:06:18	~ben	asked me what
2018-11-18 03:06:24	fosslinux	how do you get the list of people on the home page
2018-11-18 03:06:27	fosslinux	their websites
2018-11-18 03:06:53	~ben	fosslinux: https://tildegit.org/team/site/src/branch/master/index.php#L96-L104
2018-11-18 03:07:14	fosslinux	ok
2018-11-18 03:07:16	fosslinux	i see
2018-11-18 03:07:38	fosslinux	maybe add a if directory is empty/contains only default page then do not list
2018-11-18 03:09:58	~ben	hmm
2018-11-18 03:10:15	~ben	i think the solution there is to just have people update their default page :P
2018-11-18 03:10:25	fosslinux	yeah
2018-11-18 03:13:24	amcclure	changed my site from the default page
2018-11-18 03:15:08	~ben	heh ok good
2018-11-18 03:15:55	fosslinux	but /go 11
2018-11-18 03:15:58	fosslinux	ahhhh
2018-11-18 03:16:19	~ben	only 11 buffers?
2018-11-18 03:16:27	fosslinux	no
2018-11-18 03:16:27	fosslinux	24
2018-11-18 03:16:30	amcclure	11 buffers for what
2018-11-18 03:16:35	~ben	weak sauce
2018-11-18 03:16:38	amcclure	s/11/24
2018-11-18 03:16:38	sedbot	<amcclure> 24 buffers for what
2018-11-18 03:16:41	~ben	i'm at 125 right now
2018-11-18 03:16:43	~ben	weechat
2018-11-18 03:16:46	fosslinux	wwoowowowoow
2018-11-18 03:16:52	 *	fosslinux spazzes out
2018-11-18 03:16:55	@khuxkm|lounge	I only have 23
2018-11-18 03:17:00	~ben	amcclure: you should consolidate your weechats
2018-11-18 03:17:05	fosslinux	heh i have one more than you
2018-11-18 03:17:10	amcclure	consolidate?
2018-11-18 03:17:10	@khuxkm|lounge	then again, most of my channels are run under thelounge :P
2018-11-18 03:17:27	@khuxkm|lounge	I use irssi instead of weechat for my shell IRC
2018-11-18 03:17:37	~ben	yeah, combine them to one 
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2018-11-18 03:17:59	~ben	lol
2018-11-18 03:18:07	~ben	sry, was being a hypocrite
2018-11-18 03:18:22	amcclure	lol
2018-11-18 03:18:36	~ben	just have one to connect to all of htem
2018-11-18 03:18:38	fosslinux	i have meta team your~ thunix chaos ~linux #! bots minecraft ~radio sudoers projects #!os journal modded music tilde.team (freenode) and thunix on tilde.chat then DMs to benharri ben fosslinux (that dosent exist anymore) amcclure_ deepend
2018-11-18 03:18:51	~ben	wherever you mainly use the shll
2018-11-18 03:19:16	amcclure	thunix probably 
2018-11-18 03:19:24	~ben	it makes it easier to know where to ping you
2018-11-18 03:19:56	amcclure	I just have the town one for #town lol
2018-11-18 03:20:02	~ben	you don't need that
2018-11-18 03:20:19	~ben	/sajoin is a thing
2018-11-18 03:20:48	fosslinux	sajoin?
2018-11-18 03:21:11	~ben	oper-only command
2018-11-18 03:21:58	fosslinux	ben: TAKE A SQUIZ at thIS VPS https://www.vpscheap.net/pricing.aspx
2018-11-18 03:22:00	fosslinux	sorry caps
2018-11-18 03:22:39	~ben	looks ok?
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2018-11-18 08:38:52	SinaCutie	Good morning :)
2018-11-18 08:38:55	SinaCutie	And hello.
2018-11-18 08:51:46	SinaCutie	ben: regarding the plex font, I posted on https://tildegit.org/team/css/issues/6 the github source/release from IBM themselves.
2018-11-18 08:52:14	SinaCutie	Which can be automated? It's just a wget/curl, uncompress, move to desired location? :)
2018-11-18 08:52:24	SinaCutie	I don't know why I used question marks.
2018-11-18 08:58:10	~ben	lol morning
2018-11-18 08:58:15	~ben	i still haven't gone to bed 
2018-11-18 08:58:17	~ben	rip
2018-11-18 08:58:21	~ben	i'll have a look 
2018-11-18 09:03:30	fosslinux	rip what time is it
2018-11-18 09:07:17	~ben	4 am
2018-11-18 09:07:41	login	I stayed up all night and slept this afternoon.
2018-11-18 09:07:55	login	Woke up in the evening now...
2018-11-18 09:08:03	login	It's all gone wrong for tomorrow...
2018-11-18 09:10:13	~ben	yup
2018-11-18 09:28:31	login1	anyway, does anyone want to write holodeck w/ me on talk
2018-11-18 09:28:36	login1	'talk'
2018-11-18 09:52:58	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed 1 commit to master. (add plex fonts)
2018-11-18 09:54:39	~ben	owo
2018-11-18 10:10:35	login	Why is '1 commit' in black?
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2018-11-18 10:17:29	login	hello jusdepatate 
2018-11-18 10:57:05	SinaCutie	It is colourised. team/site, name, commit, branch, all are different colours to me.
2018-11-18 11:01:01	login	Is it a random color every time? If so, the black on black looks unreadable without selecting...
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2018-11-18 16:21:04	@khuxkm|lounge	login1: it SHOULD be gray
2018-11-18 16:21:09	@khuxkm|lounge	it shows up gray to me
2018-11-18 16:21:51	SinaCutie	It is grey for me too.
2018-11-18 16:25:10	tunas	s/re/e
2018-11-18 16:25:15	tunas	;)
2018-11-18 17:02:12	amcclure	Would ~team be good for my personal website?
2018-11-18 17:07:24	tunas	amcclure: Yeah, why not? Mine's on ~town, but same thing.
2018-11-18 17:08:24	amcclure	I don't know if I would be able to use ~town if my site uses php though
2018-11-18 17:19:15	tunas	Ah yes.
2018-11-18 17:19:26	tunas	I had a couple of things that needed php and those are on ~team.
2018-11-18 17:19:37	tunas	http://tunas.tilde.team/player.php for example.
2018-11-18 17:19:43	tunas	(shameless plug)
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2018-11-18 19:04:35	~ben	welcome elf !!
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2018-11-18 19:37:16	fosslinux	lol
2018-11-18 19:41:20	fosslinux	ben: on tilde.team on freenode, i get this message whenever i try to send amything
2018-11-18 19:41:22	fosslinux	19:40:46        -- | #tilde.team: Cannot send to nick/channel                                                                                                     
2018-11-18 19:52:55	~ben	??
2018-11-18 19:52:57	~ben	huh
2018-11-18 19:53:01	~ben	hello elf!
2018-11-18 19:53:30	fosslinux	on #tilde.team on freenode, you know that backup channel we made
2018-11-18 19:53:37	fosslinux	i can't send anything to it
2018-11-18 20:02:45	jan6|	are you sure it's the right channel?
2018-11-18 20:03:00	jan6|	and why'd you need to?
2018-11-18 20:15:37	~ben	i can't send anything to it either
2018-11-18 20:15:41	~ben	i'm looking into it
2018-11-18 20:40:48	jan6|	it's probably the dot?
2018-11-18 20:42:19	jan6|	ooor not
2018-11-18 20:47:39	~ben	no
2018-11-18 20:47:43	~ben	it's a chanserv thing?
2018-11-18 21:18:51	jan6|	check chanmodes
2018-11-18 21:19:09	jan6|	oh and a thing
2018-11-18 21:19:17	jan6|	are you registred there?
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2018-11-18 21:20:05	jan6|	iirc there's a ton of restrictions on unregistred people there, after the whole spam n stuff
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2018-11-18 21:20:49	@khuxkm	!watching
2018-11-18 21:20:49	giteabot	khuxkm: This channel is watching team/(.*).
2018-11-18 21:20:52	@khuxkm	alright!
2018-11-18 21:21:45	~ben	lol i'm definitely registered there
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2018-11-18 21:30:54	@khuxkm	!watching
2018-11-18 21:30:54	giteabot	khuxkm: This channel is watching team/*.
2018-11-18 21:32:26	~ben	hot
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2018-11-18 23:26:56	slipyx	!watch slipyx/*
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2018-11-19 00:05:10	~ben	i think i've got a fix to swap out the google fonts
2018-11-19 00:06:24	giteabot	[team/css] Ben Harris pushed 1 commit to master. (plex fonts locally)
2018-11-19 00:08:30	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed 1 commit to master. (new build artifacts)
2018-11-19 00:10:45	~ben	what a terrible way to do that though
2018-11-19 00:10:56	~ben	re: scp compiled css to the other repo
2018-11-19 00:11:04	tomasino	YAY
2018-11-19 00:11:05	~ben	they should probably just be one repo
2018-11-19 00:11:23	~ben	since the css now has a hard dep on the fonts being present in the site 
2018-11-19 00:12:00	~ben	or move the fonts to the css repo and include them with the deploy
2018-11-19 00:12:06	~ben	so many brittle deps in there
2018-11-19 00:14:09	~ben	thoughts tomasino ?
2018-11-19 00:14:25	~ben	i mean it works for now with this exact setup
2018-11-19 00:17:30	tomasino	if they're a fixed static resource you could host it on a different subdomain dedicated to cookie-less static assets. Have that repo pull from an s3-like entity
2018-11-19 00:17:49	tomasino	you'd get some performance optimization off of that and keep your repos pure text
2018-11-19 00:18:01	tomasino	but it's probably overkill for your traffic and content
2018-11-19 00:18:19	~ben	that's definitely overkill
2018-11-19 00:18:22	tomasino	;)
2018-11-19 00:18:31	~ben	this box gets unlimited traffic from hetzner
2018-11-19 00:18:40	~ben	and we've only used a little over 500gb ytd
2018-11-19 00:18:41	 *	tomasino builds large-scale performance systems for his job
2018-11-19 00:18:42	~ben	lol
2018-11-19 00:18:56	tomasino	yeah, just toss them in the repo
2018-11-19 00:19:11	~ben	there's just weird cross-deps between the css and site repos
2018-11-19 00:19:18	~ben	not sure how to solve it without merging them
2018-11-19 00:20:49	~ben	probably should just merge them
2018-11-19 00:32:51	amcclure	hello
2018-11-19 00:35:51	tomasino	moops!
2018-11-19 00:36:29	~ben	yo
2018-11-19 00:36:36	~ben	i'll have a look at merging it i guess
2018-11-19 00:36:42	tomasino	havin' some coffee and it's lovely
2018-11-19 00:36:42	~ben	anyone opposed?
2018-11-19 00:36:46	tomasino	merge away!
2018-11-19 00:36:51	~ben	lol
2018-11-19 00:37:02	~ben	isn't it a bit late in the day for coffee?
2018-11-19 00:37:05	~ben	planning an all-nighter?
2018-11-19 00:41:17	ahriman	apparently so
2018-11-19 00:41:24	~ben	lol
2018-11-19 00:41:25	~ben	nice
2018-11-19 00:44:15	tomasino	hah
2018-11-19 00:44:18	tomasino	yeah, i'm on vacation
2018-11-19 00:44:23	~ben	oooo nice
2018-11-19 00:44:35	tomasino	i'm in Wake Forest, NC at a friend's place
2018-11-19 00:45:44	~ben	oh nice
2018-11-19 00:48:18	ahriman	lol tomasino youre not that far from me (Virginia Beach / Norfolk)
2018-11-19 00:48:46	tomasino	i'll be heading to Charlotte on Wednesday, and then to Myrtle Beach on Sunday
2018-11-19 00:48:55	tomasino	and then i'll be there all next week
2018-11-19 00:49:00	~ben	just for vacation?
2018-11-19 00:49:17	tomasino	yeah, we visit all the family on this 2 week trip
2018-11-19 00:49:38	~ben	oh you have family and not just friends then?
2018-11-19 00:49:40	~ben	lol
2018-11-19 00:49:43	tomasino	hah
2018-11-19 00:49:49	tomasino	we're at my wife's best friend's house first
2018-11-19 00:49:55	tomasino	then charlotte we see her fam
2018-11-19 00:50:01	tomasino	and my best friend
2018-11-19 00:50:05	tomasino	and then my parents in myrtle
2018-11-19 00:50:20	~ben	oh nice
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2018-11-19 03:12:37	hyperboredoubt	Hi, tilde-teamsters.
2018-11-19 03:12:48	~ben	yo
2018-11-19 03:12:50	~ben	waddup
2018-11-19 03:13:14	hyperboredoubt	Not much. I'm procrastinating on a long-form poem that I want to write.
2018-11-19 03:13:33	~ben	heh nice
2018-11-19 03:13:38	~ben	procrastination++
2018-11-19 03:13:44	~ben	i'm always doing that
2018-11-19 03:13:44	hyperboredoubt	What are you doing?
2018-11-19 03:13:49	~ben	streaming to tilderadio
2018-11-19 03:13:52	~ben	chatting on irc
2018-11-19 03:14:06	hyperboredoubt	What is playing? What are some cool rooms on IRC?
2018-11-19 03:14:20	~ben	currently outro by vulfpeck
2018-11-19 03:14:26	~ben	https://tilde.chat/stats/
2018-11-19 03:14:34	~ben	#meta is the main room
2018-11-19 03:14:39	~ben	#chaos is interesint
2018-11-19 03:14:45	~ben	s/int/ting
2018-11-19 03:14:45	sedbot	<ben> #chaos is tingeresint
2018-11-19 03:14:51	slipyx	all the cool kids hang out in #nsfw
2018-11-19 03:14:52	~ben	s/sing/sting
2018-11-19 03:15:04	~ben	s/sint/sting
2018-11-19 03:15:09	~ben	rip
2018-11-19 03:15:12	hyperboredoubt	I'll check #meta now.
2018-11-19 03:15:13	~ben	#tilderadio
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2018-11-19 03:26:15	hyperboredoubt	Welcome.
2018-11-19 03:37:30	ahriman	hello hyperboredoubt 
2018-11-19 03:41:23	hyperboredoubt	Hi, ahriman .
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2018-11-19 10:25:25	jan6|	ben what's the css problem 'n stuff you were talking about?
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2018-11-19 14:36:55	hyperboredoubt	Hi, peoples. I'm just stopping in before I have to leave for work.
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2018-11-19 18:17:34	~ben	jan6|: the css repo (team/css) builds a compiled css
2018-11-19 18:17:41	~ben	it depends on fonts being present in the site root
2018-11-19 18:17:54	~ben	which are in the team/site repo
2018-11-19 18:18:11	~ben	plus, the compiled css gets committed into the team/site repo as well
2018-11-19 19:11:02	jan6	as in, hardlinked tilde.team/coolfont.ttf?
2018-11-19 19:13:48	~ben	no, copied
2018-11-19 19:14:22	jan6	oh, then what's the issue with it?
2018-11-19 19:15:17	~ben	hard deps between the repos
2018-11-19 19:15:23	~ben	they probably shouldn't be separate
2018-11-19 19:18:59	arne	oof
2018-11-19 19:22:30	~ben	i'm going to have a look at merging them when i get home
2018-11-19 19:41:46	@khuxkm|lounge	merging what
2018-11-19 19:50:28	~ben	team/css and team/site
2018-11-19 19:50:39	~ben	have a look at the scrollback
2018-11-19 19:51:41	arne	wew
2018-11-19 23:08:58	~ben	ahriman: tbh i could use some help with bsd.tilde.team
2018-11-19 23:28:28	ahriman	whatcha need?
2018-11-19 23:29:36	ahriman	ben tag me if you need but ill be afk for a bit
2018-11-19 23:31:42	~ben	lol idk 
2018-11-19 23:31:49	~ben	still trying to figure out what to do with it
2018-11-19 23:31:59	~ben	in any case i'm still very inexperienced with bsd admin
2018-11-19 23:58:23	tomasino	bsd is so new to me too
2018-11-19 23:58:33	tomasino	i miss all my gnu toys
2018-11-19 23:59:28	~ben	lol
2018-11-19 23:59:37	~ben	tomasino: i'm working on moving css into the site repo
2018-11-19 23:59:39	~ben	makefile time
2018-11-19 23:59:44	tomasino	huzzah!
2018-11-19 23:59:54	tomasino	you just reminded me to log into bsd.one and hit some man pages
2018-11-20 00:00:04	~ben	how janky is this: https://ttm.sh/iY.bin
2018-11-20 00:02:09	tomasino	does that work?
2018-11-20 00:02:54	tomasino	hmm, i guess it might
2018-11-20 00:03:28	tomasino	what's up with the touch Makefile?
2018-11-20 00:03:45	tomasino	and why are your clean instructions all inlined?
2018-11-20 00:04:09	tomasino	your phony calls for a watch, but you defined a dev
2018-11-20 00:04:53	tomasino	let me see what i can do here
2018-11-20 00:04:57	tomasino	do you prefer using npm over yarn?
2018-11-20 00:07:10	~ben	i'm pushing it up right now
2018-11-20 00:07:12	~ben	one sec
2018-11-20 00:07:29	~ben	old leftover from something i learned from one of my undergrad profs
2018-11-20 00:08:46	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed 1 commit to merge-css. (merge css in, add makefile)
2018-11-20 00:08:49	~ben	owo there it is
2018-11-20 00:08:51	~ben	thanks giteabot 
2018-11-20 00:09:13	~ben	tomasino: https://tildegit.org/team/site/src/branch/merge-css/css
2018-11-20 00:09:38	tomasino	https://ttm.sh/iC.bin
2018-11-20 00:10:07	~ben	npm is just as fast as yarn nowadays
2018-11-20 00:10:26	tomasino	i changed up your dependency tree a bit
2018-11-20 00:10:30	~ben	oh wow
2018-11-20 00:10:33	~ben	ok hold on
2018-11-20 00:11:00	tomasino	phony needs to match the targets still
2018-11-20 00:11:02	tomasino	i didn't fix that
2018-11-20 00:11:07	tomasino	one sec
2018-11-20 00:11:20	tomasino	https://ttm.sh/iR.bin
2018-11-20 00:11:22	tomasino	there you go
2018-11-20 00:11:42	~ben	this is so much sexier
2018-11-20 00:11:58	tomasino	hang on
2018-11-20 00:12:00	tomasino	simplifying more
2018-11-20 00:12:03	tomasino	;)
2018-11-20 00:12:15	~ben	lmao
2018-11-20 00:13:03	~ben	could probably pull some of those things out of package.json.scripts
2018-11-20 00:13:12	tomasino	https://ttm.sh/i1.txt
2018-11-20 00:13:14	~ben	https://tildegit.org/team/site/src/branch/merge-css/css/package.json#L6
2018-11-20 00:13:44	tomasino	oh yes
2018-11-20 00:13:48	tomasino	we can make those make tasks
2018-11-20 00:13:52	~ben	yusss
2018-11-20 00:14:01	tomasino	you see the pattern from here?
2018-11-20 00:14:02	~ben	i'm rm'ing the build artifacts
2018-11-20 00:14:08	~ben	yee
2018-11-20 00:14:19	~ben	do i not need to rm the build artifacts?
2018-11-20 00:14:48	tomasino	i didn't see where they were coming from before
2018-11-20 00:14:55	tomasino	if you move those commands into the makefile it's more obvious
2018-11-20 00:14:56	~ben	oh yeah it's in package.json
2018-11-20 00:14:59	tomasino	you have named targets now
2018-11-20 00:15:03	~ben	yeah i'll have a look at that
2018-11-20 00:16:55	tomasino	i'm almost done
2018-11-20 00:17:36	~ben	oh shit ok
2018-11-20 00:19:39	tomasino	i'm not 100% sure what your dev server syntax is supposed to be, but have a lookie at this...
2018-11-20 00:19:51	tomasino	https://ttm.sh/i4.txt
2018-11-20 00:20:19	tomasino	what is lessc? is that something installed via node?
2018-11-20 00:20:32	tomasino	or should I test that it's globally installed?
2018-11-20 00:20:36	~ben	lessc is installed with node dev-deps
2018-11-20 00:20:46	~ben	no it should be in node_modules/bin
2018-11-20 00:20:51	~ben	or .bin
2018-11-20 00:20:57	tomasino	so i should path it that way?
2018-11-20 00:21:07	~ben	probably, same with light-server
2018-11-20 00:21:36	tomasino	gotcha, uno-momento
2018-11-20 00:21:39	~ben	thanks!
2018-11-20 00:21:50	tomasino	do you want the option to deploy node_modules to a unique location?
2018-11-20 00:22:00	~ben	nah
2018-11-20 00:22:03	~ben	no need
2018-11-20 00:22:09	~ben	since we're running npm install
2018-11-20 00:22:19	tomasino	okay
2018-11-20 00:23:30	~ben	should we pull the OBJS into less/hacker/*.less and less/dracula/*.less?
2018-11-20 00:24:13	tomasino	https://ttm.sh/iU.txt
2018-11-20 00:24:23	tomasino	that would be cleaner for the dependency watching, sure
2018-11-20 00:25:16	tomasino	then instead of OBJS you could list those patterns explictly for each build thingy
2018-11-20 00:25:17	brendantcc_lounge	internet dad! :D
2018-11-20 00:25:26	tomasino	hi brendantcc_lounge 
2018-11-20 00:25:32	~ben	the # in the lightserver thing is necessary and it tells it what to run when a file changes for live-reloading
2018-11-20 00:26:06	tomasino	gotcha, i'm not sure how that will work in a makefile
2018-11-20 00:26:12	tomasino	since that's a comment starter
2018-11-20 00:26:22	tomasino	it may need to be escaped
2018-11-20 00:26:32	brendantcc_lounge	rip, your index.html is blank on tilde.team, tomasino..
2018-11-20 00:26:41	~ben	oh ok 
2018-11-20 00:26:47	tomasino	brendantcc_lounge: that's intentional
2018-11-20 00:26:55	brendantcc_lounge	whyyy
2018-11-20 00:27:02	tomasino	web is for suckers
2018-11-20 00:27:05	tomasino	;)
2018-11-20 00:27:13	~ben	lol
2018-11-20 00:27:18	~ben	gopher 4 lyfe?
2018-11-20 00:27:24	tomasino	yep!
2018-11-20 00:27:27	brendantcc_lounge	riperoni
2018-11-20 00:27:36	~ben	:D
2018-11-20 00:28:08	tomasino	gonna read some hobbit to this kiddo
2018-11-20 00:28:10	tomasino	back in a bit
2018-11-20 00:28:12	tomasino	you got this, ben
2018-11-20 00:28:20	~ben	lmao
2018-11-20 00:28:22	~ben	ok
2018-11-20 00:28:27	~ben	thanks for the pointers!
2018-11-20 00:29:05	tomasino	anywhere you can make a file be the dependency or the output, make will work better
2018-11-20 00:29:32	tomasino	avoid phonys as much as you can because they're alwaays "new" and will trigger rebuilds
2018-11-20 00:30:29	~ben	ohhh ok :)
2018-11-20 00:31:11	brendantcc_lounge	and how much will that cost? $50,000 for the bricks?
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2018-11-20 00:32:09	~ben	what bricks brendantcc_lounge ?
2018-11-20 00:32:10	hyperboredoubt	Hi, peoples.
2018-11-20 00:32:11	~ben	o/ hyperboredoubt 
2018-11-20 00:32:13	~ben	wb
2018-11-20 00:32:15	hyperboredoubt	Hi, ben.
2018-11-20 00:32:26	brendantcc_lounge	ben, mate, you missed the joke entirely
2018-11-20 00:32:44	brendantcc_lounge	avoid phonys as much as you can because they're alwaays "new" and will trigger rebuilds
2018-11-20 00:32:58	brendantcc_lounge	:'D
2018-11-20 00:36:13	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed 1 commit to merge-css. (fix up makefile, remove npm scripts from package.json)
2018-11-20 00:36:44	brendantcc_lounge	oowee
2018-11-20 00:38:23	~ben	https://tildegit.org/team/site/pulls/21
2018-11-20 00:38:33	~ben	anyone have any objections?
2018-11-20 00:38:35	~ben	khuxkm|lounge: ?
2018-11-20 00:38:37	~ben	^^
2018-11-20 00:39:29	@khuxkm|lounge	no objections here
2018-11-20 00:40:06	brendantcc_lounge	myeh
2018-11-20 00:42:23	~ben	ok i'm going to merge it then :P
2018-11-20 00:42:30	giteabot	[team/site] tilde.team pushed 4 commits to master. (Merge branch 'merge-css' of team/site into master, Merge branch 'merge-css' of team/site into master, fix up makefile, remove npm scripts from package.json, merge css in, add makefile)
2018-11-20 00:43:28	~ben	https://tilde.team/css/dracula.html
2018-11-20 00:43:30	~ben	this is now a thing
2018-11-20 00:43:34	~ben	nice
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2018-11-20 00:48:57	ahriman	ben im back for a minute, i did notice bsd.tilde.team is running on 11-RELENG which is up to patch level 4 now (-p4). it'd be adviseable to run "freebsd-update fetch install" however it will require a reboot as some changes to the kernel were merged in between p1 and p4
2018-11-20 00:49:11	~ben	owo ok
2018-11-20 00:49:37	ahriman	going afk again
2018-11-20 00:49:48	~ben	ok
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2018-11-20 00:53:41	~ben	wb
2018-11-20 00:53:47	hyperboredoubt	What happened while I was gone?
2018-11-20 00:55:36	~ben	i merged team/css into team/site
2018-11-20 00:55:40	~ben	not too much else
2018-11-20 01:01:15	hyperboredoubt	What is "team/css"?
2018-11-20 01:01:23	~ben	https://tildegit.org/team/css
2018-11-20 01:04:22	ahriman	back, im hawngry pizza time
2018-11-20 01:06:14	hyperboredoubt	What kind of pizza?
2018-11-20 01:06:54	~ben	pizza pizza pizza
2018-11-20 01:07:01	~ben	http://tilde.pizza
2018-11-20 01:17:05	ahriman	pepperonis
2018-11-20 01:17:21	tomasino	 great work ben
2018-11-20 01:17:22	hyperboredoubt	That just redirects to tilde.team, ben. :P
2018-11-20 01:17:28	ahriman	im so happy tilde.pizza is registered even if it's aliased to team
2018-11-20 01:17:36	~ben	i'm aware hyperboredoubt 
2018-11-20 01:17:58	~ben	ahriman: if you have a better use for it i wouldn't mind transferring it over
2018-11-20 01:18:07	~ben	http://tilde.pizza/wiki/
2018-11-20 01:18:13	~ben	http://tilde.pizza/wiki/?page=domains
2018-11-20 01:18:57	~ben	any redirect or not sure yet ones i'd be ok handing off
2018-11-20 01:23:38	tomasino	who has tilde.black?
2018-11-20 01:23:51	~ben	not me
2018-11-20 01:24:34	tomasino	i'll probably run some sort of tilde one day
2018-11-20 01:24:40	tomasino	but it may be a gopher outpost
2018-11-20 01:25:30	ahriman	id like to run a tilde on openbsd and let people have their homepage served over httpd(8)
2018-11-20 01:25:43	ahriman	with support for compiled cgi
2018-11-20 01:26:32	ahriman	and sqlite, so they could experiment with BCHS
2018-11-20 01:26:42	tomasino	i think that's all a great idea
2018-11-20 01:27:04	~ben	oooh that would be dope
2018-11-20 01:27:15	~ben	i wouldn't mind setting that up on bsd.tilde.team
2018-11-20 01:27:19	tomasino	i'm thinking about an RPG style tilde outpost
2018-11-20 01:27:26	tomasino	in-game stuff
2018-11-20 01:27:42	~ben	if you'd like to, that would excellent
2018-11-20 01:28:03	~ben	cause there isn't anything specific going on over there
2018-11-20 01:28:07	ahriman	ben openbsd httpd(8) is pretty simple to set up, check out https://learnbchs.org
2018-11-20 01:28:08	tomasino	gopher://gopher.black/1/phlog/20180705-space-gopher-2000
2018-11-20 01:28:23	~ben	is it not on freebsd?
2018-11-20 01:28:36	ahriman	nah it's only openbsd
2018-11-20 01:28:47	tomasino	i think it's poorly ported, but yeah, you don't want to use httpd off openbsd
2018-11-20 01:29:05	ahriman	its the native web server and it also uses slowcgi(8) which is the native openbsd fastcgi interface
2018-11-20 01:29:49	~ben	why would i want the cgi to be slow?
2018-11-20 01:30:55	ahriman	it's not slow it's a play on fastcgi
2018-11-20 01:31:06	~ben	huh ok
2018-11-20 01:32:13	tomasino	i'd be 100% on board with joining an openbsd tilde
2018-11-20 01:32:25	tomasino	i'd probably be pretty active too, since I'm struggling to learn it already
2018-11-20 01:32:29	ahriman	ill set it up when i get some spare cash
2018-11-20 01:33:24	~ben	i wouldn't mind providing a vps
2018-11-20 01:33:36	~ben	if you're short on cash
2018-11-20 01:35:32	ahriman	ill be able to do it soon i don't wanna use someone elses money, it'd make me kinda uncomfortable
2018-11-20 01:35:39	ahriman	i appreciate the offer though
2018-11-20 01:36:07	~ben	np
2018-11-20 01:51:03	~ben	tildebeast: why are you trying to shutdown the machine
2018-11-20 01:58:51	~ben	also for those that were having trouble, #tilde.team on freenode is fixed
2018-11-20 01:59:07	hyperboredoubt	Good.
2018-11-20 01:59:14	hyperboredoubt	Well, I'll be back later.
2018-11-20 01:59:22	~ben	ciao!
2018-11-20 01:59:30	~ben	i'll probably be around lol
2018-11-20 02:25:58	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed 1 commit to master. (update other-tildes list)
2018-11-20 02:36:20	edwardthefma	https://youtu.be/PCf03KXyzIg
2018-11-20 02:37:46	~ben	omf
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2018-11-20 03:03:09	hyperboredoubt	What are the other channels that I need to know about?
2018-11-20 03:05:16	~ben	check /list
2018-11-20 03:05:21	~ben	or https://tilde.chat/stats/
2018-11-20 03:10:38	hyperboredoubt	Thank you muchly.
2018-11-20 03:10:47	~ben	np
2018-11-20 04:34:49	hyperboredoubt	Why so quiet here?
2018-11-20 04:35:13	~ben	who knows
2018-11-20 04:35:25	~ben	people talk when they want
2018-11-20 04:36:18	edwardthefma	Yap
2018-11-20 04:36:46	 *	edwardthefma is a fly on the wall
2018-11-20 04:37:41	hyperboredoubt	Let's make them want to talk more. :P
2018-11-20 04:38:05	~ben	hehe ok
2018-11-20 04:41:37	hyperboredoubt	But about what? 
2018-11-20 04:42:19	slipyx	existential anxiety
2018-11-20 04:43:21	hyperboredoubt	You first, slipyx.
2018-11-20 04:43:44	~ben	heh
2018-11-20 05:08:57	 *	edwardthefma is keeping a poor mincraft villager captive
2018-11-20 05:09:18	edwardthefma	To be bait for zombis
2018-11-20 05:13:38	hyperboredoubt	That is cruel.
2018-11-20 05:15:50	fosslinux	yes
2018-11-20 05:15:53	fosslinux	that is cruel
2018-11-20 05:18:28	hyperboredoubt	Hi, fosslinux .
2018-11-20 05:19:08	fosslinux	whats happening?
2018-11-20 05:23:30	hyperboredoubt	Just chatting with you all and checking out Gopher pages.
2018-11-20 06:02:57	fosslinux	gopher
2018-11-20 06:03:02	fosslinux	i dont have gopherhole yet
2018-11-20 06:04:21	hyperboredoubt	I'm using a proxy.
2018-11-20 06:09:11	~ben	fosslinux: what's this then? https://gopher.tilde.team/tilde.team/1/~fosslinux
2018-11-20 06:09:37	fosslinux	lol i dint know that existed :P
2018-11-20 06:09:47	~ben	see ~/public_gopher
2018-11-20 06:09:52	fosslinux	nice
2018-11-20 06:10:02	fosslinux	brendantcc and i are making a tilde
2018-11-20 06:10:10	tomasino	awesome
2018-11-20 06:10:14	~ben	everyone's making a tilde these days :P
2018-11-20 06:10:30	fosslinux	using a vps milkshake gave us
2018-11-20 06:10:37	fosslinux	its got HORRID specs
2018-11-20 06:10:48	fosslinux	so it could be interesting
2018-11-20 06:10:53	fosslinux	0.75GB RAM!!!!!
2018-11-20 06:13:28	brendantcc_lounge	riperoni
2018-11-20 06:18:12	hyperboredoubt	What is your tilde called?
2018-11-20 06:19:56	brendantcc_lounge	milkshake.tilde.pizza
2018-11-20 06:20:06	brendantcc_lounge	sadly nginx has stuffed us around so the website's ded
2018-11-20 06:20:11	brendantcc_lounge	however
2018-11-20 06:20:22	brendantcc_lounge	you can connect to the irc on port 6667
2018-11-20 06:25:22	hyperboredoubt	Cool. I might try that tomorrow. You'll need to remind me because I will forget.
2018-11-20 06:25:33	hyperboredoubt	For now, I must sleep. Have a good time.
2018-11-20 06:25:46	brendantcc_lounge	okie night
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2018-11-20 06:28:59	fosslinux	well thats stuffed
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2018-11-20 08:18:01	bastiaan	hi, i exported my ssh key now, i generated it with puttygen and it exported in ssh2 format
2018-11-20 08:18:11	bastiaan	if i load it i can see the rsa-ssh key normally
2018-11-20 08:18:31	bastiaan	am i registered on the irc server now btw? and can i see the history of messages?
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2018-11-20 14:33:03	slipyx	pls2 invite 2 fr**n*de chan
2018-11-20 14:51:58	~ben	you should be able to join slipyx
2018-11-20 14:59:45	jan6	frnde chan
2018-11-20 15:00:04	jan6	friend[l]e[y] chan[nel] ?
2018-11-20 15:03:19	SinaCutie	Beep! Hello.
2018-11-20 15:14:54	jan6	Boop! HAI.
2018-11-20 15:15:56	SinaCutie	How're you :D
2018-11-20 15:17:32	jan6	ported some of the loady_thingy.sh into lua
2018-11-20 15:17:39	jan6	not much stuff, really
2018-11-20 15:19:01	SinaCutie	Hee. :3
2018-11-20 15:28:40	jan6	so arrays work
2018-11-20 15:31:23	jan6	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv2wJnuwgx8
2018-11-20 15:56:34	~ben	hello!
2018-11-20 16:29:07	SinaCutie	Yay!
2018-11-20 16:36:28	~ben	how goes it
2018-11-20 16:36:31	~ben	it's tuesday at least
2018-11-20 16:37:27	SinaCutie	It goes okay. Had to visit the clinical vampires. xD So glad today is almost over.
2018-11-20 16:39:06	~ben	vampires? :o
2018-11-20 16:39:31	~ben	i've got thursday and friday off for thanksgiving holiday :D
2018-11-20 16:40:23	SinaCutie	Yes, I had to have blood tests done.
2018-11-20 16:40:40	SinaCutie	Hurray for days off. 
2018-11-20 16:41:23	~ben	ohhhh i get why it's vampires then lol
2018-11-20 16:41:25	~ben	nice
2018-11-20 16:41:54	~ben	btw SinaCutie i move team/css code into https://tildegit.org/team/site/src/branch/master/css
2018-11-20 16:42:07	~ben	and added a fancy makefile with the help of tomasino 
2018-11-20 16:42:42	jan6	soon I shall use themeable css for my currently-nonexistant site, which is cool
2018-11-20 16:42:54	jan6	css variables ftw
2018-11-20 16:47:22	~ben	noice
2018-11-20 16:50:19	SinaCutie	Okay, thanks for the heads-up ben :3
2018-11-20 16:50:30	~ben	:)
2018-11-20 16:50:39	~ben	i'm really happy with the makefile lol
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2018-11-20 17:22:43	tomasino	make is fun
2018-11-20 17:23:36	~ben	sure it :D
2018-11-20 17:23:40	~ben	s/t/s/
2018-11-20 17:23:40	sedbot	<ben> sure is :D
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2018-11-20 19:41:29	hyperboredoubt	Hi, teamsters.
2018-11-20 19:55:07	jan6	ahoy
2018-11-20 19:55:15	fosslinux	hi jan6
2018-11-20 19:55:18	fosslinux	whats up?
2018-11-20 19:55:27	jan6	not much
2018-11-20 19:55:38	jan6	just porting my loady_thing.sh into lua, somewhat
2018-11-20 19:55:43	fosslinux	nice
2018-11-20 19:56:06	fosslinux	i'm trying to get Naglfar (a thunix admin) to resest my password because i lost it and thunix is back up for a little while AND I NEED DATA
2018-11-20 19:56:27	jan6	so far, made a test array (well, table, everything's a table in lua) and am writing comments 'n stuff
2018-11-20 19:56:33	fosslinux	lol
2018-11-20 19:56:35	~ben	how much stuff did you have on there fosslinux ?
2018-11-20 19:56:39	fosslinux	not much
2018-11-20 19:56:40	amcclure[team]	fosslinux: want me to set a temp password 
2018-11-20 19:56:43	fosslinux	yes please
2018-11-20 19:56:44	arne	Owo makefilr
2018-11-20 19:56:55	~ben	makefile ftw
2018-11-20 19:56:58	jan6	make make
2018-11-20 19:56:58	arne	Now, make the makefile a mkfile
2018-11-20 19:57:08	~ben	make dev
2018-11-20 19:59:22	tomasino	sexy make
2018-11-20 20:00:09	arne	I prefer mk
2018-11-20 20:00:11	arne	Fight me
2018-11-20 20:02:07	jan6	make mk
2018-11-20 20:02:10	jan6	boom
2018-11-20 20:10:46	~ben	what's the difference? other than no vowels?
2018-11-20 20:20:48	tomasino	arne hates vowels
2018-11-20 20:20:51	tomasino	rn, i mean
2018-11-20 20:21:33	~ben	lol
2018-11-20 20:21:45	~ben	you'd just become tmsn
2018-11-20 20:21:48	~ben	i'm bn
2018-11-20 20:29:45	arne	mk is the Plan 9's spiritual successor to make
2018-11-20 20:29:55	arne	Syntax differences
2018-11-20 20:30:01	~ben	oh i haven't planned 9
2018-11-20 20:30:02	arne	And other stuff 
2018-11-20 20:31:50	tomasino	tmsn is nice
2018-11-20 20:32:08	~ben	nice and shrt
2018-11-20 20:33:05	arne	lrnz
2018-11-20 20:33:42	~ben	who learnz?
2018-11-20 20:34:29	arne	my name with no vowels
2018-11-20 20:38:15	~ben	o
2018-11-20 20:40:51	arne	Pensi
2018-11-20 20:40:59	~ben	?
2018-11-20 20:41:17	arne	What
2018-11-20 20:41:21	arne	Lol I didn't write that
2018-11-20 20:41:31	amcclure	yikes
2018-11-20 20:49:37	hyperboredoubt	In Lojban, "pensi" means "think".
2018-11-20 20:49:57	jan6	jn6 is here, now what are your other two wishes?
2018-11-20 20:52:13	jan6	penser is "to think" in french, so sure
2018-11-20 20:53:53	~ben	pensar in spanish lol
2018-11-20 20:55:30	jan6	same roots, lol
2018-11-20 20:55:49	~ben	yup
2018-11-20 20:56:14	jan6	so sheit they're so similar if they're so closely grown up from the same ancestor
2018-11-20 20:56:38	~ben	lookin at u latin
2018-11-20 20:58:10	 *	jan6 whispers to the greeks "kill them with fire, quick!"
2018-11-20 21:03:59	~ben	oh
2018-11-20 21:04:50	amcclure[team]	welp
2018-11-20 21:04:59	amcclure[team]	wrong channel again sorry 
2018-11-20 21:06:55	~ben	you're all over the place
2018-11-20 21:07:03	jan6	just like me
2018-11-20 21:08:55	~ben	one more reason to consolidate weechats
2018-11-20 21:14:02	hyperboredoubt	I'm also in #gopher.
2018-11-20 21:18:56	jan6	nobody's there
2018-11-20 21:21:05	~ben	huh?
2018-11-20 21:21:33	hyperboredoubt	I am.
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2018-11-20 21:22:26	hyperboredoubt	Hi?
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2018-11-20 21:24:07	~ben	wb thelounge
2018-11-20 21:29:05	hyperboredoubt	Hi, ben.
2018-11-20 21:29:09	~ben	yo
2018-11-20 21:29:25	hyperboredoubt	What should we discuss?
2018-11-20 21:29:41	~ben	no idea
2018-11-20 21:29:42	~ben	you pick
2018-11-20 21:31:08	jan6	discuss thecoolness of Lua, NOW!
2018-11-20 21:31:14	jan6	s/the/the /
2018-11-20 21:31:15	sedbot	<jan6> discuss the coolness of Lua, NOW!
2018-11-20 21:31:20	jan6	;P
2018-11-20 21:31:38	~ben	metatabls
2018-11-20 21:31:46	~ben	that's the only thing i remember from my hour with lua
2018-11-20 21:31:53	~ben	and that was like 3 years ago
2018-11-20 21:34:42	jan6	tables can be functions, arrays, pointers, tables are all you ever need for data
2018-11-20 21:34:44	jan6	mostly
2018-11-20 21:41:12	hyperboredoubt	What is Lua?
2018-11-20 21:41:40	tomasino	it's a glue language that sits nicely on top of c and can access c libs natively
2018-11-20 21:41:56	tomasino	it got its biggest early bump in game programming in early 2000s
2018-11-20 21:42:07	tomasino	these days it shows up in a whole bunch of fields
2018-11-20 21:45:51	jan6	glue? HOW DARE YOU
2018-11-20 21:46:01	jan6	python is glue, you heathen
2018-11-20 21:46:45	jan6	s/^.*\w/javascript/
2018-11-20 21:46:45	sedbot	<jan6> javascript
2018-11-20 21:46:48	jan6	hmm
2018-11-20 21:46:59	jan6	javascript is glue, you heathen
2018-11-20 22:10:42	hyperboredoubt	https://dannamendez.neocities.org/
2018-11-20 22:20:10	jan6	?
2018-11-20 22:22:08	hyperboredoubt	I'm not sure either.
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2018-11-20 23:27:21	 *	hyperboredoubt lurx.
2018-11-20 23:27:35	 *	aewens larx.
2018-11-20 23:28:18	hyperboredoubt	Hi, aewens.
2018-11-20 23:29:25	aewens	Hey hyperboredoubt 
2018-11-20 23:41:23	hyperboredoubt	What should we do now?
2018-11-20 23:42:15	~ben	i just finished my 3rd (4th?) playthrough of the witcher 3
2018-11-20 23:42:20	~ben	trying to decide what to work on tonight
2018-11-20 23:42:33	~ben	any ~team requests?
2018-11-20 23:52:25	hyperboredoubt	Like what?
2018-11-21 00:02:00	~ben	lol i'm asking you
2018-11-21 00:02:12	~ben	currently setting up thunderbird and enigmail
2018-11-21 00:06:48	hyperboredoubt	I'm saying that I wouldn't even know what to request because I'm unaware of the possibilities.
2018-11-21 00:07:26	deepend	wouldn't say sky is limit.. but Im sure ben is crazy enough to attempt it lol :P 
2018-11-21 00:07:35	~ben	lmao
2018-11-21 00:07:37	~ben	oh
2018-11-21 00:07:42	~ben	i should continue setting up sr.ht 
2018-11-21 00:08:52	deepend	I should continue configuring my HPUX system.. its working well so far.. huge learning curve.. but managed to get a Itanium system for 20 bucks.. so tossed 32GB of ram in it that I had laying around and its seems to be pretty happy with that
2018-11-21 00:09:45	deepend	biggest issue with HPUX is its not all that open.. but still fun since its closer to unix then linux is as far as I know. 
2018-11-21 00:10:05	deepend	brb
2018-11-21 00:27:22	~ben	there's no way you're going to be able to address that much ram 
2018-11-21 00:27:24	~ben	:P
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2018-11-21 00:29:23	~ben	wb tomasino 
2018-11-21 00:29:31	tomasino	thanks
2018-11-21 00:29:34	tomasino	round robin ftw
2018-11-21 00:30:05	hyperboredoubt	What is Round Robin? It sounds familiar.
2018-11-21 00:31:19	~ben	in what context
2018-11-21 00:31:24	~ben	depends
2018-11-21 00:31:28	~ben	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round-robin
2018-11-21 00:31:37	~ben	in this instance it was round robin dns
2018-11-21 00:31:49	~ben	where one dns name has multiple associated records
2018-11-21 00:36:29	hyperboredoubt	Hmmm, I understood some of those words.
2018-11-21 00:40:05	~ben	dns is a key=>value system for domain=>ip
2018-11-21 00:40:18	~ben	so for a certain key there are multiple values
2018-11-21 00:41:18	hyperboredoubt	What kinds of values?
2018-11-21 00:41:37	~ben	if you're on ~team or yourtilde, try the dig tool
2018-11-21 00:41:42	~ben	dig a tilde.chat
2018-11-21 00:41:44	~ben	and then 
2018-11-21 00:41:50	~ben	dig a irc.tilde.chat
2018-11-21 00:42:39	hyperboredoubt	What does it do?
2018-11-21 00:44:14	~ben	what does what do?
2018-11-21 00:44:19	~ben	did you try the commands?
2018-11-21 00:50:10	hyperboredoubt	No.
2018-11-21 00:50:16	hyperboredoubt	That's why I asked.
2018-11-21 00:53:33	deepend	why cant I address that much ram ben? :D 
2018-11-21 00:53:51	~ben	ah, the commands were meant to illustrate what i was talking about
2018-11-21 00:54:07	~ben	deepend: even with a 32 bit os, you can only address 4gb ram
2018-11-21 00:55:28	deepend	isn't 32bit :D 
2018-11-21 01:03:18	~ben	owo
2018-11-21 01:03:22	~ben	nevermind then
2018-11-21 01:07:06	deepend	yeah.. not the most powerful thing ever.. is 2 dual core CPU's running at 1.6Ghz. so 4 cores total. 20MB CPU Cache, 32GB Memory, and somewhere over 400GB of disk space currently.. only because it ignored my 320GB drives that are in it.. it just used my 3 smaller drives
2018-11-21 01:07:32	~ben	that's as much ram as my desktop has
2018-11-21 01:07:39	~ben	not scrawny at all
2018-11-21 01:07:47	~ben	(my laptop only has 8gb!)
2018-11-21 01:07:55	deepend	same.. well normally... i loaned 16GB of ram to a friend that was having memory issues lol 
2018-11-21 01:08:58	deepend	i pulled the 32GB out of the big server I have that im not really using.. since the server had over 100GB of ram it could spare 32 lol
2018-11-21 01:09:17	hyperboredoubt	https://naturalpeople.wiki/
2018-11-21 01:09:19	~ben	omfg
2018-11-21 01:09:27	~ben	"over 100GB of ram"
2018-11-21 01:09:50	~ben	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icWS_4vv58U
2018-11-21 01:50:12	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed 1 commit to master. (public tos, link from coc)
2018-11-21 01:52:18	~ben	https://tilde.team/wiki/?page=tos
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2018-11-21 02:26:46	--	Topic set by ben on Fri, 07 Sep 2018 17:04:02
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2018-11-21 02:27:16	--	Channel created on Tue, 19 Jun 2018 18:12:30
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2018-11-21 03:39:54	--	Topic set by ben on Fri, 07 Sep 2018 17:04:02
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2018-11-21 05:21:29	hyperboredoubt	Have a fun time!
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2018-11-21 14:30:08	SinaCutie	o/
2018-11-21 14:31:25	~ben	yo
2018-11-21 14:31:28	~ben	how goes it
2018-11-21 14:31:51	arne	Owo
2018-11-21 14:33:01	~ben	owO
2018-11-21 14:33:07	~ben	o/
2018-11-21 14:33:17	arne	oWo
2018-11-21 14:33:58	~ben	lol
2018-11-21 14:34:43	SinaCutie	X'D
2018-11-21 14:35:03	SinaCutie	It goes well! Just trying to figure out what I was going to do.
2018-11-21 14:37:44	~ben	lol thta's the hardest problem isn't it
2018-11-21 14:38:07	SinaCutie	Yeah. I had a full plan of what to do but I didn't write it down :D Go me!
2018-11-21 14:45:01	arne	plan 9
2018-11-21 14:45:13	arne	thats my plan☆☆~
2018-11-21 14:47:22	~ben	if plan 9 was so good why isn't there a plan 10?
2018-11-21 14:48:13	jan6	^
2018-11-21 14:48:31	jan6	if plan 9's so good, where's plan 9.1?
2018-11-21 14:51:16	SinaCutie	:')
2018-11-21 14:58:00	jan6	what about Plan A though?
2018-11-21 15:03:17	arne	where is Plan £×*÷£$
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2018-11-21 15:23:21	~ben	welcome to tilde.team anarchmellow !
2018-11-21 15:27:51	anarchmellow	Thanks ben :D
2018-11-21 15:27:59	amcclure	Welcome!
2018-11-21 15:28:56	anarchmellow	^^
2018-11-21 15:29:44	~ben	:)
2018-11-21 15:30:02	~ben	if you have any questions, holler in here :)
2018-11-21 15:30:12	~ben	also see the wiki: https://tilde.team/wiki/
2018-11-21 15:30:18	~ben	got plenty of good stuff on there
2018-11-21 15:31:23	anarchmellow	Haha thanks, i'm also on tilde.town so I don't think I'll be really lost ^^
2018-11-21 15:31:37	anarchmellow	But that's a warm welcome !
2018-11-21 15:32:12	anarchmellow	I need to set this chat into thelounge now !
2018-11-21 15:33:13	~ben	heh feel free!
2018-11-21 15:33:30	~ben	if you get better ping to either box, i'd recommend combining chats into one client
2018-11-21 15:33:41	~ben	thelounge is a decent webclient
2018-11-21 15:34:08	anarchmellow	Yes it is, currently using it with tilde.team chat and freenode as well :)
2018-11-21 15:37:28	~ben	oh ok!
2018-11-21 15:37:39	SinaCutie	Welcome anarchmellow!
2018-11-21 15:37:59	anarchmellow	Thanks SinaCutie :)
2018-11-21 15:38:19	~ben	btw this irc net is not just ~team
2018-11-21 15:38:23	~ben	https://tilde.chat/
2018-11-21 15:38:46	~ben	minux thunix now :/
2018-11-21 15:41:52	amcclure[team]	ben: might not be "minus thunix" hopefully
2018-11-21 15:43:14	@khuxkm|lounge	well, "now", as in ATM
2018-11-21 15:43:42	~ben	oh rly?
2018-11-21 15:45:20	amcclure[team]	see #meta
2018-11-21 15:45:22	@khuxkm|lounge	ben: I mean, all they have to do is get a hold of hex
2018-11-21 15:45:24	@khuxkm|lounge	:P
2018-11-21 15:45:33	amcclure[team]	khuxkm|lounge: hexhaxtron quit
2018-11-21 15:45:39	@khuxkm|lounge	oh
2018-11-21 15:45:42	amcclure[team]	see #meta i has an announcement regarding thunix
2018-11-21 15:45:47	@khuxkm|lounge	so what now
2018-11-21 15:46:20	anarchmellow	Meh, my ssh tunneling is refusing connection :/
2018-11-21 15:46:32	~ben	something might already be using the port, anarchmellow 
2018-11-21 15:46:42	~ben	which port? i can check
2018-11-21 15:46:53	anarchmellow	I tried 6698
2018-11-21 15:47:00	anarchmellow	6698 before
2018-11-21 15:47:06	anarchmellow	6668 sorry
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2018-11-21 15:51:17	~ben	nothing on 6668
2018-11-21 15:51:28	~ben	but irc is on 6667 :P
2018-11-21 15:51:34	~ben	and ssl on 6697
2018-11-21 15:51:51	aewens	https://tilde.team/~aewens/ports.php
2018-11-21 15:51:54	anarchmellow_	Yeah I got it finally ^^ 
2018-11-21 15:52:08	anarchmellow_	But it says that my login is already taken
2018-11-21 15:53:09	aewens	Did you register it? Because you'd need to do /msg NameServ LOGIN to do that instead of /nick
2018-11-21 15:53:27	aewens	s/Name/Nick/
2018-11-21 15:53:27	sedbot	<aewens> Did you register it? Because you'd need to do /msg NickServ LOGIN to do that instead of /nick
2018-11-21 15:53:42	~ben	aewens: i think there are some updates to athat
2018-11-21 15:53:49	~ben	one sec i'll get you the list
2018-11-21 15:54:47	anarchmellow_	Yeah I can't register because as soon as I get connected I get the "username in use" message
2018-11-21 15:55:23	anarchmellow_	Done !
2018-11-21 15:55:26	anarchmellow_	Thanks :)
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2018-11-21 15:55:51	anarchmellow	Plop :)
2018-11-21 15:56:32	aewens	Nice!
2018-11-21 15:56:50	anarchmellow	Registered and confirmed !
2018-11-21 15:57:35	aewens	That's the way to do it.
2018-11-21 15:59:29	~ben	aewens: https://ttm.sh/i9.txt
2018-11-21 16:03:44	aewens	I'll update my list later today
2018-11-21 16:23:36	~ben	ok :)
2018-11-21 16:54:57	jan6	ben, is 9000 the only public port?
2018-11-21 16:55:04	~ben	hm?
2018-11-21 16:55:05	~ben	for?
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2018-11-21 16:59:15	@khuxkm	!toot test
2018-11-21 16:59:15	minerbot2	khuxkm: Toot failed!
2018-11-21 16:59:18	@khuxkm	WHAT
2018-11-21 16:59:19	@khuxkm	FUCK
2018-11-21 16:59:32	anarchmellow	Time to go. Thanks again everyone !! See you tomorrow :)
2018-11-21 17:00:20	~ben	seeya! :)
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2018-11-21 17:06:55	jan6	just wondering
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2018-11-21 17:07:38	~ben	there are a handful of open ports
2018-11-21 17:07:44	~ben	if you need one open i can do that
2018-11-21 17:08:12	@khuxkm	!admin down
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2018-11-21 17:08:19	@khuxkm	wait wrong bot shit :P
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2018-11-21 17:08:38	jan6	just wondering what's actually reachable from outside, no plans to host anything anywhere yet
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2018-11-21 17:28:21	SinaCutie	o:
2018-11-21 17:29:01	aewens	!toot And I'm @tildeteam
2018-11-21 17:29:01	minerbot2	aewens: Tooted!
2018-11-21 17:31:17	~ben	!toot toot toot toot 
2018-11-21 17:31:17	minerbot2	ben: Tooted!
2018-11-21 19:38:26	fosslinux	!toot tooty mc toot face
2018-11-21 19:38:27	minerbot2	fosslinux: Tooted!
2018-11-21 20:09:55	ahriman	!toot tootMasterFlex #flexin #tildeteam
2018-11-21 20:09:55	minerbot2	ahriman: Tooted!
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2018-11-21 23:49:47	hyperboredoubt	What's happening?
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2018-11-22 06:11:17	slipyx	.uptime
2018-11-22 06:11:17	zaphod	 01:11:17 up 135 days,  3:58, 181 users,  load average: 0.27, 0.51, 0.69
2018-11-22 06:12:26	hyperboredoubt	Hi, slipyx and zaphod.
2018-11-22 06:12:27	zaphod	hey hyperboredoubt!
2018-11-22 06:14:25	fosslinux	zaphod is a bot lol
2018-11-22 06:18:13	hyperboredoubt	So is your mom, lol.
2018-11-22 06:21:43	fosslinux	HEYYYYYYYYYYYY THATS RUDE :P no offence taken
2018-11-22 06:28:40	hyperboredoubt	I should probably sleep soon, but not yet.
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2018-11-22 08:15:08	anarchmellow	Hello team :)
2018-11-22 08:17:18	slipyx	hello individual 
2018-11-22 08:19:10	 *	anarchmellow is reconsidering his status
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2018-11-22 10:07:27	jan6	hello fellow sentient entity
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2018-11-22 11:42:14	arne	owo
2018-11-22 11:42:16	arne	oWo
2018-11-22 13:02:02	SinaCutie	Heyo
2018-11-22 13:04:09	anarchmellow	hey SinaCutie 
2018-11-22 13:04:39	SinaCutie	How goes?
2018-11-22 13:10:22	jan6	hai
2018-11-22 13:11:18	jan6	are you secretly mushmouth, SinaCutie? ;P you just so happened to say heyo 2 minutes after mush, after hours of silence on the server
2018-11-22 13:11:35	SinaCutie	I don't know who that is.
2018-11-22 13:11:36	SinaCutie	xD
2018-11-22 13:12:22	jan6	some person on here, seems to be on yourtilde and #meta usually
2018-11-22 13:12:48	SinaCutie	Ah. Well, I'm not in either. x'D
2018-11-22 13:13:00	jan6	why aren't you?
2018-11-22 13:13:13	jan6	#meta is where about 90% of talking happens
2018-11-22 13:13:27	SinaCutie	I wasn't sure about #meta and have never heard of 'yourtilde'
2018-11-22 13:14:18	jan6	yourtilde.com, just another tilde in the tildeverse, you can join the channel and talk there without being a part of it too
2018-11-22 13:14:37	SinaCutie	Ah
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2018-11-22 16:24:37	hyperboredoubt	Hi, snurryboy.
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2018-11-22 17:24:30	~ben	welcome nun and snurryboy !
2018-11-22 17:31:50	hyperboredoubt	https://octodon.social/@starbreaker/101111839677746646
2018-11-22 17:34:35	~ben	lists.sr.ht++
2018-11-22 17:37:47	nun	hey there :)
2018-11-22 17:38:40	~ben	o/
2018-11-22 17:38:45	~ben	holler if you need anythingn
2018-11-22 17:38:56	~ben	and check out the wiki: https://tilde.team/wiki/
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2018-11-22 18:03:19	nun	I'll do that! I have to get accomplished to all the command line tools a bit but overall this seems like a nice place!
2018-11-22 18:03:46	jan6	are you REALLY a nun though?
2018-11-22 18:03:59	nun	nun are the first three letters of my last name :P
2018-11-22 18:04:25	jan6	jan are the first three letters of my first name :P
2018-11-22 18:06:56	~ben	lol nice
2018-11-22 18:07:48	nun	quick question: does the top window show all messages where you are mentioned?
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2018-11-22 18:10:39	jan6	idk, I predate this weird (and imo stupid, no offense) setup, so I just use normal stuff...
2018-11-22 18:13:08	nun	what is "normal" for you?
2018-11-22 18:14:50	hyperboredoubt	Overrated.
2018-11-22 18:17:13	jan6	non-overly-customized
2018-11-22 18:17:28	jan6	for example, no tmux (wrapped in byobu) on login
2018-11-22 18:17:32	jan6	and stuff
2018-11-22 18:19:26	~ben	nun: yep
2018-11-22 18:19:40	~ben	highmon
2018-11-22 18:20:07	hyperboredoubt	I want everything customized to the maxxx!
2018-11-22 18:22:09	~ben	fosho
2018-11-22 18:26:29	jan6	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBTJb08VYUU
2018-11-22 18:33:44	arne	ben since when is nand.sh a tildeteamalias lol
2018-11-22 18:33:56	~ben	since i registered it
2018-11-22 18:34:31	arne	oof
2018-11-22 18:34:40	arne	will u make nand.pub alias? iWi?
2018-11-22 18:34:47	hyperboredoubt	I want to own bone.zone so the skeletons can roam free.
2018-11-22 18:34:50	arne	s/iWi/oWo
2018-11-22 18:34:51	sedbot	<arne> will u make nand.pub alias? oWo?
2018-11-22 18:34:58	~ben	i'm planning on making nand.pub an sr.ht install
2018-11-22 18:35:17	arne	srht
2018-11-22 18:36:46	arne	wow
2018-11-22 18:38:04	~ben	the packaging isn't really that good yet
2018-11-22 18:40:31	jan6	!whois bone.zone
2018-11-22 18:40:32	BabiliBot	bone.zone is 'registered'
2018-11-22 18:40:34	jan6	dam
2018-11-22 18:42:31	hyperboredoubt	Is ghost.town taken?
2018-11-22 18:43:39	jan6	do a !whois
2018-11-22 18:43:44	jan6	preferably in #bots
2018-11-22 18:45:29	arne	wow sr.ht is cool
2018-11-22 18:45:37	arne	boi
2018-11-22 18:47:18	jan6	it's basically as if the suckless.org people remade some popular services
2018-11-22 18:48:54	arne	Yeah lol
2018-11-22 18:50:01	jan6	speaking of which, I really like the farbfeld image format
2018-11-22 18:50:02	arne	will you look bad at me if i make another tilde account
2018-11-22 18:50:16	jan6	on the same tilde. yes
2018-11-22 18:50:30	jan6	why'd you need to?
2018-11-22 18:51:12	arne	umm
2018-11-22 18:51:20	jan6	exactly
2018-11-22 18:52:48	arne	well i want another username but thats stupid
2018-11-22 18:53:01	jan6	just ask ben to change your name!
2018-11-22 18:53:26	jan6	or transfer your account under a new name
2018-11-22 18:53:36	arne	how do i do that?
2018-11-22 18:53:41	~ben	lol third username
2018-11-22 18:53:45	~ben	if u need
2018-11-22 18:53:47	arne	lol yes i know
2018-11-22 18:54:03	~ben	did i change it last time or make another account?
2018-11-22 18:54:12	arne	i think u made abither
2018-11-22 18:54:18	jan6	you can just check the /etc/passwd
2018-11-22 18:54:20	arne	s/bi/no
2018-11-22 18:54:20	sedbot	<arne> i think u made another
2018-11-22 18:54:25	jan6	that shows all dem users
2018-11-22 18:55:19	arne	yea u made anotha
2018-11-22 18:56:13	~ben	oh ok
2018-11-22 18:56:18	~ben	well if you need, i can
2018-11-22 18:56:33	jan6	you can just delete old user, and possibly symlink the home dirs
2018-11-22 18:56:42	~ben	or just rename
2018-11-22 18:56:47	jan6	that too
2018-11-22 18:57:13	arne	yeah you could delet the user 
2018-11-22 18:57:54	jan6	symlink so that the home dir would correspond to the username, but if anyone used old one then not break stuff, though he most likely doesn't even need that, so you can just rename everything
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2018-11-22 18:59:15	~ben	seems needlessly complicated
2018-11-22 19:00:17	arne	i have a backup of thebstuff in my home so you could just delete the home too
2018-11-22 19:01:13	jan6	^no need to delete exactly, but can just rename everything...or create a new user, and move over, which is easier
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2018-11-22 19:10:07	hyperboredoubt	I need a vanity domain, lol.
2018-11-22 19:10:26	arne	thw only domain i mantain now is my personal domain
2018-11-22 19:11:53	hyperboredoubt	Linky?
2018-11-22 19:12:26	arne	i dont have a website histed in it yet lol
2018-11-22 19:12:35	arne	i dont even have planned where to host it
2018-11-22 19:12:42	jan6	I have eyes on a cool little 3-letter
2018-11-22 19:12:59	arne	abc
2018-11-22 19:13:10	jan6	I just need to figure out how this dam internet thingy worky
2018-11-22 19:13:13	jan6	;P
2018-11-22 19:13:30	jan6	need to make internet bank work
2018-11-22 19:13:34	arne	apa
2018-11-22 19:13:37	arne	jdf
2018-11-22 19:13:38	arne	obw
2018-11-22 19:13:39	arne	ttm
2018-11-22 19:13:41	arne	gae
2018-11-22 19:13:42	arne	pne
2018-11-22 19:13:43	arne	vd
2018-11-22 19:13:44	arne	iw
2018-11-22 19:13:46	arne	jsb
2018-11-22 19:15:21	jan6	omg, I didn't even notice how amazing it is to type on the keyboard
2018-11-22 19:17:06	hyperboredoubt	abhttps://atob.xyz/
2018-11-22 19:17:13	hyperboredoubt	https://atob.xyz/
2018-11-22 19:17:24	jan6	https://amulet.xyz
2018-11-22 19:18:11	hyperboredoubt	"Hmmm...can’t reach this page"
2018-11-22 19:18:57	arne	owo
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2018-11-22 19:39:45	Shamar	Ehm... sorry ben...
2018-11-22 19:39:52	~ben	hm?
2018-11-22 19:39:57	jan6	hmm
2018-11-22 19:41:33	Shamar	I was banned by tildes.net too... you invited me so well... sorry
2018-11-22 19:42:18	hyperboredoubt	Tildes is currently in invite-only alpha
2018-11-22 19:42:20	hyperboredoubt	To learn more about Tildes, read the announcement post.
2018-11-22 19:42:22	arne	fuck i forgot my tildes password
2018-11-22 19:42:23	hyperboredoubt	There are also some pages available on the docs site.Y
2018-11-22 19:43:23	~ben	wtf Shamar 
2018-11-22 19:44:50	~ben	oh you went crusading again
2018-11-22 19:45:00	Shamar	I'm a bit sad because I noticed the ban while submitting the answer to the only constructive comment  of the threas
2018-11-22 19:45:37	Shamar	no I weren't crusading...
2018-11-22 19:47:46	Shamar	I don't really understand why people blame me: I always keep the same tone of the people I reply too...
2018-11-22 19:48:50	~ben	you definitely were crusading
2018-11-22 19:48:55	~ben	i'm looking at it now
2018-11-22 19:49:02	~ben	there were a lot of reasonable answers
2018-11-22 19:49:19	~ben	you've been barking up the wrong tree 
2018-11-22 19:49:30	~ben	"It was closed on Bugzilla because you cannot change wide‐reaching internet standards with a bug report."
2018-11-22 19:49:56	Shamar	Uhm... what I replied to this?
2018-11-22 19:50:45	~ben	you were snarky and a bit rude in the reply
2018-11-22 19:51:08	Shamar	Uhm... really?
2018-11-22 19:52:24	~ben	i can absolutely see why they would remove you from the premises. you seem to take a very fire-and-brimstone, bible thumping attitude to this issue which, while understandable i suppose, gets really fucking annoying if it's basically all you ever do and the bulk of what you ever talk about, especially when people have repeatedly reiterated to you that while your claims are valid, this is
2018-11-22 19:52:26	~ben	ultimately a trade-off that people made which would be bordering on impossible to fix without a radical upending of the system that will almost certainly never happen.
2018-11-22 19:52:32	~ben	^^ this exactly
2018-11-22 19:53:46	~ben	this was your response: https://tildes.net/~comp/8os/undetectable_remote_arbitrary_code_execution_attacks_through_javascript_and_http_headers_trickery#comment-29oi
2018-11-22 19:54:41	Shamar	I cannot see it anymore 
2018-11-22 19:55:37	~ben	I guess you don't know much about the "wide-reaching internet standards" you are talking about.
2018-11-22 19:55:39	~ben	I opened a bug report because these are Living Standards that follow the implementations.
2018-11-22 19:55:41	~ben	To fix these "Standards" you need to fix at least one implementation before.
2018-11-22 19:55:43	~ben	Also, I challenge you to find a line in the Standards we are talking about stating that JavaScript cannot be OPT-IN on a per website basis.
2018-11-22 19:55:45	~ben	Guess what?
2018-11-22 19:55:47	~ben	You don't need to violate any WHATWG's standard to implement these mitigations.
2018-11-22 19:55:49	~ben	very snarky
2018-11-22 19:57:00	Shamar	Hum... isn't on the exact same tone of the comment I waa replying too?
2018-11-22 19:57:11	~ben	no
2018-11-22 19:57:33	Shamar	uhm... mind to elaborate?
2018-11-22 19:57:53	~ben	their tone was not rude
2018-11-22 20:01:08	~ben	at some point if you are either unwilling or unable to take the hint people have been laying pretty thick on you, you're basically doing nothing but concern trolling by continually bringing things like this up and expecting people to have any more answers than what they've already given. that is antagonistic, and absolutely a cause for people telling you to fuck off from their website, whether
2018-11-22 20:01:10	~ben	you like it or not or think it's censorship or not.
2018-11-22 20:01:20	~ben	that's a quote from a comment on that thread ^^
2018-11-22 20:04:14	~ben	totally fair imo
2018-11-22 20:05:21	Shamar	Tbh re reading the quote you posted before about bible trumping and all I see my post on pair to such words..
2018-11-22 20:05:49	Shamar	Probably there's a cultural or language barrier at work
2018-11-22 20:06:11	Shamar	I don't think that tildes.net censored me
2018-11-22 20:06:43	Shamar	Lobste.rs censored some of my post that are not available anymore
2018-11-22 20:07:07	Shamar	But there's a difference between censorship and ban
2018-11-22 20:07:13	~ben	you're willfully misunderstanding what people are saying
2018-11-22 20:08:06	Shamar	No I'm not. If I'm misunderstanding something it's not willfully
2018-11-22 20:08:29	Shamar	But I think I'm not misunderstanding
2018-11-22 20:09:40	Shamar	They say: these attacks are not fixable without breaking the (business model of many company operating over) the Web
2018-11-22 20:09:43	~ben	you're still presenting the idea in the wrong way
2018-11-22 20:09:53	~ben	that's right, it's a risk of running js
2018-11-22 20:10:14	~ben	That's the thing. You're not technically wrong, you're just disingenuous. Purposefully misrepresenting things. For example instead of saying "There's a vulnerability with a handful of headers and some remote code execution and yep big browser doesn't want you to know," just come out and say what you mean off the bat instead of obfuscating it. "Javascript can be used to stab users in the back. How
2018-11-22 20:10:16	~ben	do we fix it without breaking it?" And that last bit is important. The solutions you propose will break the internet as it exists today. That's never going to get off the ground. Nobody will accept any solution that has that kind of cost. If you actually want anything fixed like you say you do, you need to work in ways that go with the grain.
2018-11-22 20:10:18	~ben	ope
2018-11-22 20:10:24	~ben	another quote that i was trying to pastebin
2018-11-22 20:10:36	~ben	i've got to go thanksgiving dinner
2018-11-22 20:10:38	~ben	bbl
2018-11-22 20:12:14	Shamar	No problem... sorry anyway I didn't think I was saying anything that qualified as troll or asshole... I didn't expect the ban... sorry 
2018-11-22 20:12:39	Shamar	See you later...
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2018-11-23 04:25:23	hyperboredoubt	What happened while I was gone?
2018-11-23 04:25:35	slipyx	you dont wanna know
2018-11-23 04:27:05	hyperboredoubt	Oh, my. Was it that bad? Did we get hit with gore spam?
2018-11-23 04:28:11	slipyx	of a sort
2018-11-23 04:28:43	hyperboredoubt	Then I'm glad I was on Reddit instead.
2018-11-23 04:43:27	ahriman	i dont think those words have ever been uttered before hyperboredoubt 
2018-11-23 04:43:30	fosslinux	lol
2018-11-23 04:43:57	hyperboredoubt	Why? There is nothing wrong with Reddit. 
2018-11-23 04:44:45	ahriman	usually when i or anyone in my immediate friends group who use reddit are on it we're extremely bored and have nothing else to do
2018-11-23 04:44:50	ahriman	or pooping
2018-11-23 04:44:58	ahriman	reddit is good for pooping
2018-11-23 04:45:08	fosslinux	ben: can you please not let any new people post
2018-11-23 04:45:19	fosslinux	bacause these spam is getting REALLY ANNOYINH
2018-11-23 04:47:20	slipyx	ben: stop spending time with your real family and help your digital one
2018-11-23 04:47:26	fosslinux	lol
2018-11-23 05:34:51	--	Mode #team [+R] by ben
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2018-11-23 11:14:01	snurryboy	hey would i be able to get a port opened for znc?
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2018-11-23 12:33:11	arne	ben spend time with your gay digi family
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2018-11-23 17:53:22	~ben	snurryboy: try ssh tunnelling first
2018-11-23 17:53:31	~ben	but i can open if you need
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2018-11-24 00:20:17	slipyx	good evening team fam
2018-11-24 01:04:01	snurryboy	hey
2018-11-24 01:21:51	edwardthefma	Sup all
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2018-11-24 03:06:43	snurryboy	ben ssh tunnelling worked :)
2018-11-24 04:52:56	fosslinux	snurryboy: that's good, let us know if there's anything else we can do to help :D
2018-11-24 05:15:03	snurryboy	fosslinux i dun goofed up or something. i was compiling znc and got to make. i went away to let it do its thing and when i came back it had finished and asked to input make install but somehow just yes was entered and now i got a million letter y going down terminal
2018-11-24 05:15:13	snurryboy	ctrl c aint getting rid of it neither is disconnecting
2018-11-24 05:15:45	snurryboy	ive tried q: same thing no good
2018-11-24 05:18:11	snurryboy	its only happening in one window i can still make another
2018-11-24 05:19:00	snurryboy	nvm i got rid of it
2018-11-24 05:26:27	fosslinux	how did you get rid of it?
2018-11-24 05:26:45	fosslinux	lol thats kinda finny though
2018-11-24 05:26:52	fosslinux	are you from australia?
2018-11-24 05:47:28	snurryboy	make clean
2018-11-24 05:47:36	snurryboy	on a new window
2018-11-24 05:47:42	snurryboy	then back to the fucked window and ctrl c
2018-11-24 05:47:46	snurryboy	yea i am
2018-11-24 05:54:43	fosslinux	nice i am too
2018-11-24 05:55:03	fosslinux	so is brendantcc and cat
2018-11-24 05:55:11	fosslinux	and someone else i cant remembet who
2018-11-24 06:06:44	snurryboy	wow i didnt expect that lol
2018-11-24 06:12:32	snurryboy	do you know if python 3 is installed somewhere? i can only see 2.7 in /usr/bin
2018-11-24 06:12:48	fosslinux	sure should be
2018-11-24 06:12:58	fosslinux	$ python3
2018-11-24 06:13:10	fosslinux	which python3
2018-11-24 06:14:14	snurryboy	yea i need to know the directory cause im using virtualenv
2018-11-24 06:14:53	snurryboy	im sure i could install python3 locally but i figured itd be quicker if i could just point to wherever its already installed
2018-11-24 06:30:44	fosslinux	sorry im back
2018-11-24 06:31:43	fosslinux	/usr/bin/python3.6 ?
2018-11-24 06:32:50	@khuxkm|lounge	snurryboy: python3 -m venv ?
2018-11-24 06:55:20	~ben	znc and python3 are already installed
2018-11-24 07:50:45	@khuxkm|lounge	BabiliBot: help
2018-11-24 07:50:50	@khuxkm|lounge	!botlist
2018-11-24 07:50:50	minerbot2	Maintainer: khuxkm@tilde.team; Bot that does things; Commands: !gitea, !su, !toot
2018-11-24 07:50:50	BabiliBot	BabiliBot | aewens <aewens@tilde.team> | the meta chat bot | !botlist, !rollcall, !summon, !banish, !pardon, !hmmscore, !hmmscoreboard, !whois
2018-11-24 07:50:50	zaphod	hey i'm the president of the galaxy. ben wrote my code. see .help. i have the following modules: admin, ascii, help, hhgtg, source, talk, tictactoe, time, uptime. stay hoopy, my froods!
2018-11-24 07:50:50	cirno	(convert &rest message-with-temperatures) (slap &rest usernames) (setv variable &rest value) (getv variable) (shitpost &optional submission-url) (water) (defconstant source-code #P"~desvox/cirno.lisp")
2018-11-24 07:50:50	sotdbot	Maintainer: khuxkm | Song-of-the-day bot | commands: !sotd, !listsotd
2018-11-24 07:51:06	@khuxkm|lounge	!whois example.com
2018-11-24 07:51:07	BabiliBot	example.com might be available
2018-11-24 07:51:12	@khuxkm|lounge	orly?
2018-11-24 08:35:16	~ben	fosslinux: why has your bot been pegging 100% cpu
2018-11-24 08:35:39	slipyx	.uptime
2018-11-24 08:35:39	zaphod	 03:35:39 up 137 days,  6:23, 205 users,  load average: 2.60, 3.09, 3.10
2018-11-24 08:39:49	~ben	load isn't normally above 1.0
2018-11-24 08:43:36	@khuxkm	.uptime
2018-11-24 08:43:36	zaphod	 03:43:36 up 137 days,  6:31, 206 users,  load average: 3.50, 3.52, 3.31
2018-11-24 08:43:41	@khuxkm	ben: just kill it
2018-11-24 08:43:51	~ben	not worth it
2018-11-24 08:44:04	~ben	there are 8 cores
2018-11-24 08:44:21	~ben	there's no process starvation until 8.0 load
2018-11-24 08:44:30	@khuxkm	which we're halfway to
2018-11-24 08:44:42	@khuxkm	what's the adverse reaction? (aka "why not?")
2018-11-24 08:45:13	@khuxkm	also in almost 10 minuts it jumped .9
2018-11-24 08:45:20	@khuxkm	s/minuts/minutes/
2018-11-24 08:45:20	sedbot	<khuxkm> also in almost 10 minutes it jumped .9
2018-11-24 08:47:10	~ben	i don't think it's worth killing anything unless we're beyond the number of cores
2018-11-24 08:47:19	~ben	.uptime
2018-11-24 08:47:20	zaphod	 03:47:19 up 137 days,  6:34, 206 users,  load average: 2.86, 3.36, 3.30
2018-11-24 08:47:41	~ben	load at :43 will jump a bit from the hourly backups
2018-11-24 08:48:34	giteabot	[team/site] Robert Miles pushed 1 commit to master. (Skip over user asm (broken thunix mirror :P))
2018-11-24 08:48:59	@khuxkm	ben: ah
2018-11-24 08:49:22	~ben	do you need me to pull team/site?
2018-11-24 08:49:26	~ben	or are you on already
2018-11-24 08:49:27	@khuxkm	also, for now I'm just making the decision as tdp implementor to leave asm behind in the calculations
2018-11-24 08:49:30	@khuxkm	I'm on
2018-11-24 08:49:33	@khuxkm	it's pulled
2018-11-24 08:51:01	~ben	heh i saw that ;)
2018-11-24 08:51:05	~ben	seems fair
2018-11-24 08:51:20	~ben	if amcclure[team] wants to send us mails hourly, there are better ways
2018-11-24 08:51:33	~ben	ugh i never know which one to ping
2018-11-24 08:51:45	~ben	this is why you consolidate your chat clients
2018-11-24 08:51:47	giteabot	[team/site] Robert Miles pushed 1 commit to master. (Sort user list)
2018-11-24 08:52:07	@khuxkm	amcclure: amcclure[town] amcclure[team] 
2018-11-24 08:52:13	~ben	khuxkm: did you see the PR i sent to the webhookbot repo on gh?
2018-11-24 08:52:20	@khuxkm	yes
2018-11-24 08:52:24	@khuxkm	I'm not using that repo anymore
2018-11-24 08:52:25	~ben	and the issue about also sending the link to compare
2018-11-24 08:52:26	@khuxkm	:P
2018-11-24 08:52:33	@khuxkm	I moved it to tildegit
2018-11-24 08:52:37	~ben	yeah i saw that
2018-11-24 08:52:42	@khuxkm	that repo is in archive read-only
2018-11-24 08:52:47	~ben	i know
2018-11-24 08:52:49	~ben	i saw that
2018-11-24 08:52:59	@khuxkm	the entire webhookbot codebase needs work tbh
2018-11-24 08:53:02	~ben	could you include compare_url in the message?
2018-11-24 08:53:10	~ben	it's sent in the payload
2018-11-24 08:53:42	~ben	oh btw vil updated the configs for ~town and #team is no longer blocked if you're connecting from there
2018-11-24 08:53:45	@khuxkm	I'll add it when I have the time (and i'll do the other maintenance things :P
2018-11-24 08:54:02	~ben	lol i think i might have already done it
2018-11-24 08:54:06	~ben	also shortened the url
2018-11-24 08:55:29	~ben	i'm heading to sleep
2018-11-24 08:55:46	~ben	ping or email if you need anything and i'll see what i can do when i check in tomorrow
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2018-11-24 10:46:21	@khuxkm	.uptimes
2018-11-24 10:46:24	@khuxkm	.uptime
2018-11-24 10:46:24	zaphod	 05:46:24 up 137 days,  8:33, 201 users,  load average: 3.40, 3.29, 3.28
2018-11-24 10:48:20	slipyx	can we kill fosslinux yet
2018-11-24 10:48:44	@khuxkm|lounge	nah
2018-11-24 10:49:01	@khuxkm|lounge	bennyboi said not until it's worse
2018-11-24 10:49:30	@khuxkm|lounge	I mean, I'm about to if it keeps up, make no mistake
2018-11-24 10:54:09	snurryboy	oh thats weird when i looked i couldnt see 3.6
2018-11-24 10:54:12	snurryboy	cheers
2018-11-24 10:55:19	snurryboy	ben i didn't realise znc was already installed i just compiled it in my directory
2018-11-24 10:55:42	snurryboy	just used to doing that cause with other shared shells i was never able to add all the modules i wanted
2018-11-24 11:25:44	snurryboy	yea i cant find znc-buildmod anywhere. i need it to compile modules
2018-11-24 11:27:41	snurryboy	yea it doesnt come up using locate
2018-11-24 11:27:52	@khuxkm|lounge	what modules to you need?
2018-11-24 11:27:54	@khuxkm|lounge	s/to/do/
2018-11-24 11:27:55	sedbot	<khuxkm|lounge> what modules do you need?
2018-11-24 11:28:08	snurryboy	clientbuffer playback and mutter.py
2018-11-24 11:28:14	@khuxkm|lounge	also ben is asleep and won't be able to get back to you until morning
2018-11-24 11:28:25	@khuxkm|lounge	any links to source code?
2018-11-24 11:28:32	snurryboy	yea one sec
2018-11-24 11:29:07	snurryboy	https://github.com/CyberShadow/znc-clientbuffer
2018-11-24 11:29:12	snurryboy	https://github.com/jpnurmi/znc-playback
2018-11-24 11:29:16	snurryboy	https://bitbucket.org/jmclough/mutter-push
2018-11-24 11:30:21	snurryboy	mutter.py might work fine but clientbuffer and playback come as .cpp files that need either znc source directory to do ./configure or znc-buildmod otherwise
2018-11-24 11:31:46	snurryboy	if i compile znc in my directory i can get the .cpp files working fine but i have to use virtualenv to install python3 and requests in there too which i think should work fine now i know where python3.6 is
2018-11-24 11:31:56	@khuxkm	you may have to wait for ben on this one
2018-11-24 11:32:00	@khuxkm	I can't find it either
2018-11-24 11:32:24	snurryboy	yea its the same with the last couple of shells i used for some reason znc-buildmod isn't installed
2018-11-24 11:50:01	snurryboy	yea i'll just compile it myself. gives me more control anyway
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2018-11-24 13:15:00	giteabot	[team/site] Robert Miles pushed 2 commits to style-select-dropdowns. (Update package-lock.json, Add styling to dropdowns; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/ee30655)
2018-11-24 13:19:11	@khuxkm|lounge	https://tildegit.org/team/site/pulls/22
2018-11-24 14:02:38	amcclure[team]	ben, khuxkm|lounge what about hourly mails?
2018-11-24 14:03:46	jan6	hourly mails?
2018-11-24 14:04:38	amcclure[team]	ben said "if amcclure[team] wants to send us mails hourly, there are better ways"
2018-11-24 14:09:10	amcclure[team]	how can I see why https://asm.ttm.sh/ isn't loading
2018-11-24 14:31:47	jan6	you can't
2018-11-24 15:31:54	amcclure[team]	:(
2018-11-24 15:40:28	amcclure[team]	jan6: could it be from a php config issue?
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2018-11-24 16:25:42	jan6	unlikely, but who knows
2018-11-24 16:26:37	jan6	try having an index.html with like, "test" written in it, or maybe even a proper <html> skeleton
2018-11-24 16:26:43	jan6	that'd make sure
2018-11-24 16:27:01	jan6	and obviously rename or move the index.php if you have any
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2018-11-24 18:31:37	Shamar	jan6 a question: how did you get the tld .tilde?
2018-11-24 18:39:28	~ben	amcclure[team]: your site is failing to redirect to thunix since it's down
2018-11-24 18:39:41	~ben	it's causing an hourly cronjob to fail
2018-11-24 18:39:54	~ben	(the one that does tilde description protocol)
2018-11-24 18:43:38	jan6	13:31:37            Shamar | jan6 a question: how did you get the tld .tilde? 
2018-11-24 18:43:41	jan6	I didn't
2018-11-24 18:44:08	Shamar	ben I restored from a browser cache the conversation on tildes.net
2018-11-24 18:44:13	Shamar	http://www.tesio.it/cache/2018/TildesNET_Undetectable-Remote-Arbitrary-Code-Execution-Attacks-through-JavaScript-and-HTTP-headers-trickery.html
2018-11-24 18:44:38	jan6	but you can check tildegit for the repo and either make a pull request, or just mail deepend, then you need to use the specific dns servers to be able to access it
2018-11-24 18:45:51	Shamar	Reading it critically I still think I kept the same tone of the people I replied too
2018-11-24 18:46:29	Shamar	Thare must be a language issue or something like that
2018-11-24 18:47:21	jan6	both that and different thinking circuits
2018-11-24 18:47:46	Shamar	jan6 oh.. sorry I did got the process but I thought you were actually assigned it... 
2018-11-24 18:48:22	Shamar	jan6 different thinking circuit? What do you mean?
2018-11-24 18:49:19	jan6	nothing, just different way of thinking, cause brains are just organic analog computers
2018-11-24 18:49:55	Shamar	t
2018-11-24 18:50:02	jan6	t?
2018-11-24 18:50:21	Shamar	shitty terminal 
2018-11-24 18:50:49	jan6	which one?
2018-11-24 18:52:33	Shamar	For sure we have different way of thinking... but this should be a good reason to discuss 
2018-11-24 18:53:25	Shamar	Just, when we talk about technical stuffs we should stick to technical stuffs...
2018-11-24 18:54:14	Shamar	Anyway computers compute, brains think
2018-11-24 18:57:41	jan6	thinking is just computing as well, the neurons all follow specific rules, just like transistors
2018-11-24 19:16:44	Shamar	I don't agree on this: to compute you need data, our minds work with informations (that data can represent) and insights that cannot be represented at all
2018-11-24 19:20:56	jan6	everything can be represented, just like you can draw a representation of a 3d cube on a 2d sheet of paper
2018-11-24 19:21:25	jan6	or how you can represent an image with a bunch of bits
2018-11-24 19:22:31	Shamar	not everything... how can you represent a feeling or a mystical experience?
2018-11-24 19:24:05	Shamar	Not everything in our mind can really be communicated
2018-11-24 19:25:38	Shamar	While there's no datum that a computer hold and cannot be communicated to another computer or hunan
2018-11-24 19:26:01	Shamar	s/hunan/human
2018-11-24 19:26:02	sedbot	<Shamar> While there's no datum that a computer hold and cannot be communicated to another computer or human
2018-11-24 19:26:51	jan6	as I said though, organic ANALOG computer
2018-11-24 19:33:06	Shamar	What cannot be described mathematically cannot be computed... it's not a problem of analog vs digital, it's just that it cannot be computed.
2018-11-24 19:35:21	jan6	"What cannot be described mathematically cannot be computed." your brain can, though, THEORETICALLY you can still describe every propery of the atoms making up your brain in a specific point in time
2018-11-24 19:37:57	Shamar	I don't get what you mean... 
2018-11-24 19:42:37	jan6	nothing
2018-11-24 19:50:13	Shamar	I cannot describe a lot of properties of the atoms of my brain... as many of such properties are quantistic
2018-11-24 19:52:46	jan6	quantum waveforms
2018-11-24 19:56:06	Shamar	Afaik they doesn’t provide much predictability
2018-11-24 19:57:42	 *	jan6 drops the discussion cause no points are being made and topic is slipping into intangible metaphysics
2018-11-24 20:03:45	Shamar	It was metaphysical from the very beginning, saying that brains are just organic analog computers is a metaphysical statement
2018-11-24 20:04:54	jan6	sure
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2018-11-24 22:55:27	@khuxkm|lounge	i hate bootstrap. why do I have to put a class on a select tag. what use do I have for a green-on-white select tag?
2018-11-24 23:00:38	tomasino	you have to use bootstrap?
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2018-11-25 00:45:05	@khuxkm|lounge	well, I'm trying to make a website to do a specific calculation
2018-11-25 00:45:13	@khuxkm|lounge	and I wanted to use hacker.css
2018-11-25 00:45:47	tomasino	ahha, well, then you'll be using bootstrap
2018-11-25 00:46:37	@khuxkm|lounge	yeah, but bennyboi denied my PR to style selects by default
2018-11-25 00:46:58	@khuxkm|lounge	but what use is a green-on-white select box
2018-11-25 00:47:27	tomasino	you can override hacker.css in your own stylesheet
2018-11-25 00:47:37	tomasino	if you prefer something else
2018-11-25 00:47:39	tomasino	or fork it
2018-11-25 00:48:03	@khuxkm|lounge	<img src="https://ttm.sh/iM.png" alt="iM.png (180Ã52)"/>
2018-11-25 00:48:09	@khuxkm|lounge	woops
2018-11-25 00:48:13	@khuxkm|lounge	the point still stands
2018-11-25 00:48:18	@khuxkm|lounge	what use is that
2018-11-25 00:51:08	tomasino	heh, no idea
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2018-11-25 01:21:54	ubergeek|lounge	Shamar: to get a .tilde domain, you can either email me a zone file, or you can do a pr on the .Tilde tildegit repo.  Or email me the domain you want, and pertinent plain English records
2018-11-25 01:22:18	ubergeek|lounge	You will also need to use the name servers on the .tilde wiki
2018-11-25 01:23:37	ubergeek|lounge	Its still in alpha phase right now, so things are somewhat dynamic
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2018-11-25 01:48:55	@khuxkm|lounge	.tilde wiki?
2018-11-25 01:49:09	@khuxkm|lounge	ubergeek|lounge: do you have a tildegit organization for it?
2018-11-25 01:53:08	ubergeek|lounge	Not yet, just a personal repo
2018-11-25 01:53:45	ubergeek|lounge	Should probably move it to an org
2018-11-25 01:54:41	ubergeek|lounge	Since it seems to be gaining some legs.  We have e three authoritative name servers so far :)
2018-11-25 01:57:16	@khuxkm|lounge	ooh neat
2018-11-25 02:01:06	fosslinux	i'm going to be setting up a dns server in the next month or so ubergeek|lounge, if you give me instructions then , i can be another name server :D
2018-11-25 02:03:27	ubergeek|lounge	The instructions are I. The wiki
2018-11-25 02:03:33	ubergeek|lounge	In the wiki
2018-11-25 02:03:48	ubergeek|lounge	For ubuntu and centos
2018-11-25 02:04:04	fosslinux	nice
2018-11-25 02:05:29	ubergeek|lounge	https://tildegit.org/ubergeek/.tilde/wiki/Setting-up-a-.tilde-DNS-server
2018-11-25 02:20:26	fosslinux	ben: why can i read /etc/passwd
2018-11-25 02:21:40	ubergeek|lounge	Everyone can
2018-11-25 02:21:54	fosslinux	but why
2018-11-25 02:21:57	ubergeek|lounge	You can't read /etc/shadow though
2018-11-25 02:22:04	fosslinux	isn't that a little bit bad?
2018-11-25 02:22:11	fosslinux	on all m y servers /etc/apsswd is locked down
2018-11-25 02:22:19	ubergeek|lounge	It needs to be readable, so you can log in
2018-11-25 02:23:02	fosslinux	oh duh
2018-11-25 02:23:08	ubergeek|lounge	It's not a big deal, as you cannot write to /etc/passwd
2018-11-25 02:23:12	fosslinux	yeah
2018-11-25 02:23:23	fosslinux	nvm
2018-11-25 02:27:56	~ben	/etc/passwd is meant to be readable
2018-11-25 02:28:07	~ben	nothing actually sensitive in there
2018-11-25 02:37:51	dokuja	at least since shadow
2018-11-25 02:45:54	~ben	yup
2018-11-25 02:54:05	@khuxkm|lounge	apparently going to chat.tilde redirects to bsd.tilde.team
2018-11-25 02:57:10	~ben	huh?
2018-11-25 02:57:37	~ben	it's the same roundrobin
2018-11-25 02:57:41	~ben	https://tildegit.org/ubergeek/.tilde/src/branch/master/db.chat.tilde
2018-11-25 03:07:43	@khuxkm|lounge	well I think that may be part of it
2018-11-25 03:07:51	@khuxkm|lounge	it round-robins to bsd.tilde.chat
2018-11-25 03:08:05	~ben	yes that's one of the ircds in the roundrobin
2018-11-25 03:08:49	@khuxkm|lounge	I thought I'd be able to access the site tho
2018-11-25 03:09:18	ubergeek|lounge	What address is the wrong one? I just pulled the addresses in irc.chat.team
2018-11-25 03:09:50	ubergeek|lounge	I can pull it if needed
2018-11-25 03:10:00	@khuxkm|lounge	no it's fine
2018-11-25 03:10:13	@khuxkm|lounge	I misunderstood, thought chat.tilde would let me see the site
2018-11-25 03:10:14	@khuxkm|lounge	:P
2018-11-25 03:10:51	slipyx	.uptime
2018-11-25 03:10:51	zaphod	 22:10:50 up 138 days, 58 min, 198 users,  load average: 1.17, 1.56, 1.54
2018-11-25 03:12:26	~ben	ubergeek|lounge: irc.chat.tilde should prbably have the same records as irc.tilde.chat
2018-11-25 03:12:38	~ben	and the apex should point to the same as tilde.chat
2018-11-25 03:13:18	ubergeek|lounge	I'll fix that once I get to a terminal
2018-11-25 03:13:25	~ben	oki thakns :)
2018-11-25 03:19:38	edwardthefma	Sup ben
2018-11-25 03:23:18	~ben	hi
2018-11-25 03:56:21	ubergeek	ben: fixed the zone for chat.tilde, added irc.chat.tilde w/4 round robins, and an apex of 195.201.242.48
2018-11-25 03:56:57	ubergeek	Those should replicated from the repo ~ midnight for ns1.tilde (There's a cron to do it)
2018-11-25 03:56:59	~ben	nice
2018-11-25 03:57:10	ubergeek	Until I get some git hooks made
2018-11-25 03:57:20	~ben	oo yeah that'd be neater
2018-11-25 03:58:27	@khuxkm|lounge	do we have a non-.tilde way to access nameservers? (like, ns1.tilde.tildenet.com or whatever?)
2018-11-25 04:00:09	ubergeek	What do you mean?
2018-11-25 04:00:28	ubergeek	There's a list of IPs you can hit
2018-11-25 04:00:44	ubergeek	https://tildegit.org/ubergeek/.tilde/wiki/NS-List
2018-11-25 04:00:50	@khuxkm	nvm, there's a lot of ideas I'm having that involve using the domains that ben sits on :P
2018-11-25 04:01:09	@khuxkm	we have lots of domains and use (I believe at last count) a little under half of them
2018-11-25 04:01:52	~ben	nsX.tildeverse.org?
2018-11-25 04:02:10	tomasino	khuxkm: shoot me an email at tomasino@lavabit.com with your username for the server, first ship's name, and an ssh pubkey
2018-11-25 04:02:11	ubergeek	I'm ok with that, unless it interferes with standard-root zone name servers
2018-11-25 04:02:29	tomasino	whoops, wrong chan
2018-11-25 04:04:40	giteabot	[team/site] James Tomasino pushed 3 commits to master. (Merge branch 'cosmic-voyage' of tomasino/site into master, Merge branch 'cosmic-voyage' of tomasino/site into master, added cosmic-voyage to other-tildes list; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/be2f8df)
2018-11-25 04:08:48	@khuxkm|lounge	wait... fuck
2018-11-25 04:08:58	@khuxkm|lounge	ben: I was thinking we could use tildenet.org
2018-11-25 04:09:10	~ben	hm?
2018-11-25 04:09:16	~ben	that's an alias for tilde.chat 
2018-11-25 04:09:17	@khuxkm|lounge	since it would literally be the .tilde net
2018-11-25 04:09:26	@khuxkm|lounge	idk
2018-11-25 04:09:30	~ben	nsX.tildenet.org
2018-11-25 04:09:39	~ben	?
2018-11-25 04:10:23	@khuxkm|lounge	sure
2018-11-25 04:11:01	~ben	idc
2018-11-25 04:11:11	~ben	tildeverse seems more appropriate
2018-11-25 04:11:12	ubergeek	yeah, no strong feelings either way
2018-11-25 04:11:13	~ben	but it's fine
2018-11-25 04:11:37	ubergeek	For most folks, the IPs would be the important part.
2018-11-25 04:12:47	deepend	oh talking ns names? :D  very nice
2018-11-25 04:13:31	deepend	suprised you dont use tildenet.org for the irc network personally :P 
2018-11-25 04:13:59	ubergeek	if we do use tildenet for irc, next year, we can go to other IRC nets, and do Floodsgiving :/
2018-11-25 04:14:37	deepend	lol
2018-11-25 04:14:51	deepend	brb.. going to store.. 
2018-11-25 04:25:18	@khuxkm|lounge	irc.supernets.tilde
2018-11-25 04:25:32	fosslinux	?
2018-11-25 04:25:59	@khuxkm|lounge	the original spam was "irc.supernets.org#superbowl"
2018-11-25 04:26:27	fosslinux	oh lol
2018-11-25 04:39:42	deepend	is that a common way that irc networks use for advertising.. or is it just the idiots running the #superbowl channel? 
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2018-11-25 04:41:41	fosslinux	no idea
2018-11-25 04:41:46	fosslinux	probably #superbowl people
2018-11-25 04:43:33	~ben	tildenet.org redirects for the site of tilde.chat
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2018-11-25 06:59:54	snurryboy	ben is there a way to add modules to the znc you have installed? znc-buildmod doesnt seem to be installed. i compiled it myself and it sorta works and i have the playback module loaded but its not working for some reason
2018-11-25 07:00:43	~ben	tbh i'm not sure
2018-11-25 07:00:51	~ben	it's just the debian package
2018-11-25 07:00:55	~ben	i don't use it myself 
2018-11-25 07:03:30	snurryboy	is there any way i can or if not you can format my user? I think either reinstalling znc the second time or using virtualenv did something wrong cause when i got to make with znc there were a few error kind of things with the install. it said it completed successfully but i have a feeling something is off
2018-11-25 07:03:47	~ben	format what?
2018-11-25 07:03:49	snurryboy	i cant use apt to remove it completely im pretty sure
2018-11-25 07:04:05	~ben	znc-buildmod isn't an apt package
2018-11-25 07:04:06	snurryboy	my user directory back to stock
2018-11-25 07:04:27	fosslinux	rm -r directoryofwhichyoubuildto
2018-11-25 07:04:32	snurryboy	no i mean the actually znc itself the one i compilied myself in my directory
2018-11-25 07:04:36	fosslinux	yes
2018-11-25 07:04:42	~ben	yeah just rm the install dir
2018-11-25 07:04:45	fosslinux	it will be installed in $HOME somewhere
2018-11-25 07:04:53	fosslinux	did you add it to your $PATH
2018-11-25 07:04:55	~ben	what do you get with `which znc`
2018-11-25 07:05:18	snurryboy	i have removed .znc and also tried make uninstall make clean and make distclean
2018-11-25 07:06:00	fosslinux	ben | what do you get with `which znc`
2018-11-25 07:06:02	fosslinux	do that
2018-11-25 07:06:16	~ben	.znc is just configs iirc 
2018-11-25 07:06:18	~ben	right?
2018-11-25 07:06:29	snurryboy	well its installed atm but its in .local/bin/znc
2018-11-25 07:06:44	snurryboy	yea i removed that too before
2018-11-25 07:06:59	snurryboy	i can recompile and show you the errors that show up
2018-11-25 07:07:16	snurryboy	i mean it may not even be a problem im not sure. its running fine but playback isnt working
2018-11-25 07:07:24	~ben	that might be client-side
2018-11-25 07:07:31	~ben	weechat?
2018-11-25 07:07:34	snurryboy	say if i disconnect my client and come back 30mins later it doesnt load the buffer
2018-11-25 07:07:39	snurryboy	no mutter on ios
2018-11-25 07:07:53	~ben	ah i'm not familiar
2018-11-25 07:08:10	snurryboy	when i do /znc loadmod playback it says its already loaded
2018-11-25 07:08:18	snurryboy	but it def isnt functioning correctly
2018-11-25 07:08:28	fosslinux	why do you want to recompile
2018-11-25 07:09:14	~ben	i don't know enough about znc 
2018-11-25 07:09:30	~ben	weechat and weechat-android has been sufficient 4 me
2018-11-25 07:09:36	snurryboy	because i cant compile mods on the znc thats installed on the system
2018-11-25 07:10:04	snurryboy	yea i wouldnt need it but iOS disconnects most apps that are in the background so znc is essential for irc on the phone
2018-11-25 07:10:07	~ben	is there a package i can install or something?
2018-11-25 07:10:46	snurryboy	im not sure. i thought znc-buildmod came with the package it does when i compile my own
2018-11-25 07:10:57	fosslinux	ok
2018-11-25 07:10:58	fosslinux	i sec
2018-11-25 07:10:59	fosslinux	1 sec
2018-11-25 07:11:12	snurryboy	but i guess you could run make with the modules inside your znc src directory if you have one
2018-11-25 07:12:07	snurryboy	2 of them come as .cpp files you put in  source/modules
2018-11-25 07:12:17	snurryboy	then run make then make install
2018-11-25 07:12:18	~ben	znc-perl and znc-pythong are already installed
2018-11-25 07:12:35	~ben	i just did apt install znc
2018-11-25 07:12:48	~ben	the system one is from the package
2018-11-25 07:13:05	fosslinux	ususally its easier to get ben to install the package than compile it yourself
2018-11-25 07:13:10	snurryboy	yea ok im not sure about that cause ive only ever used it on shared shells so ive never used apt 
2018-11-25 07:14:03	snurryboy	i guess if you use apt then you dont have a source directory for znc. the only other way to compile modules is with znc-buildmod and it looks like apt doesnt install that with it
2018-11-25 07:14:10	snurryboy	if it did i would be able to use it myself
2018-11-25 07:14:12	~ben	there's no apt package for znc-buildmod
2018-11-25 07:14:45	snurryboy	yea it might be a znc-dev or something ill look it up
2018-11-25 07:15:00	fosslinux	ok
2018-11-25 07:15:08	fosslinux	rm -rf ~/.znc
2018-11-25 07:15:17	fosslinux	(dont normally run rm -rf
2018-11-25 07:15:23	fosslinux	its dangerous)
2018-11-25 07:16:02	snurryboy	If you have the source code for a module, there are multiple ways to compile it.
2018-11-25 07:16:02	snurryboy	Please note: If you have installed ZNC from your distro's repository you also need to install the dev package of ZNC (usually znc-dev or znc-devel) for building your own modules.
2018-11-25 07:16:18	~ben	oh ok i can install znc-dev
2018-11-25 07:16:18	snurryboy	https://wiki.znc.in/Compiling_modules
2018-11-25 07:16:31	~ben	installed
2018-11-25 07:17:03	snurryboy	awesome cheers that should work fine. ill clean my directory and give it a shot 
2018-11-25 07:17:45	~ben	np
2018-11-25 07:18:03	~ben	sry for the lack of proper znc setup
2018-11-25 07:19:16	snurryboy	nah its cool. a bouncer really aint that important for most people. the only other way to keep a connection to IRC on iOS is pay the subscription to IRCCloud which is basically a host with a bouncer installed lol
2018-11-25 07:19:43	~ben	does thelounge work on ios?
2018-11-25 07:19:51	~ben	cause that has a web client that should work
2018-11-25 07:20:00	~ben	run webirc from your ~team shell
2018-11-25 07:20:08	~ben	then go to https://irc.tilde.team
2018-11-25 07:20:12	~ben	might be worth a try
2018-11-25 07:21:08	snurryboy	im not sure never used it. i like znc tho cause theres the mutter.py module that will give you notifications on your phone when highlighted even when the client is in the background and disconnected
2018-11-25 07:21:22	~ben	yeah that's how i have weechat set up
2018-11-25 07:21:23	snurryboy	ill have a look at the lounge thing tho
2018-11-25 07:21:25	~ben	with weechat-android
2018-11-25 07:21:33	~ben	thelounge is pretty dope for a webclient
2018-11-25 07:21:59	snurryboy	ok i gotta take the dog for a walk. ill finish this when i get back and let you know how it goes
2018-11-25 07:25:10	~ben	heh ok glhf
2018-11-25 07:25:18	~ben	i'm heading to bed
2018-11-25 07:53:02	~ben	.tilde domains now resolve on here
2018-11-25 09:03:20	snurryboy	anyone familiar with znc on this host?
2018-11-25 09:04:25	snurryboy	ive got it set up and znc has connected to a server but trying to connect my client to znc i am getting a connection error
2018-11-25 09:04:46	snurryboy	it connected when i compiled it myself but not now with the znc installed on the server
2018-11-25 09:05:17	snurryboy	ive tried connecting both to tilde.team and localhost
2018-11-25 09:05:40	snurryboy	tried it with and without tunnelling 
2018-11-25 09:16:58	snurryboy	nvm added a new listen port and that works
2018-11-25 09:17:05	snurryboy	hopefully the playback module does too
2018-11-25 11:42:51	snurryboy	hmmmm playback isnt working just like before
2018-11-25 17:46:20	~ben	:(
2018-11-25 22:18:14	tildebeast	knock me down with a feather. just discovered that xfce has an 'application finder' app by hitting a random shortcut key :)
2018-11-25 22:30:50	jan6	heh, better late than never
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2018-11-26 01:02:52	~ben	lol the keybind changes each time you use it too, right?
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2018-11-26 14:14:25	snurryboy	playback module on znc isnt working. i'm sure what the problem is. i was thinking maybe something to do with ports and tunnelling but really im stumped 
2018-11-26 14:17:18	edwardthefma	Have you removed and reinstalled znc 
2018-11-26 14:17:44	edwardthefma	Perhaps you should reset your configuration
2018-11-26 14:18:04	cdmnky	snurryboy: are you still signed in somewhere? I set up thelounge to use my znc and if I don't manually disconnect, the playback won't happen
2018-11-26 14:19:55	snurryboy	yea it doesn't work regardless of whatever configuration im using
2018-11-26 14:20:16	snurryboy	im using it along with clientbuffer so i can have buffer separated by client
2018-11-26 14:20:47	cdmnky	hmm
2018-11-26 14:21:27	snurryboy	yea im clueless. ive got the mutter.py module loaded to and it works fine
2018-11-26 14:21:40	snurryboy	its for my phones client to give notifications while disconnected
2018-11-26 14:22:13	snurryboy	i looked on the wiki and it had a couple of options to try if it wasnt working but it didnt work
2018-11-26 14:22:36	cdmnky	znc can be a pain sometimes
2018-11-26 14:22:38	snurryboy	it could be a setting tho
2018-11-26 14:32:00	~ben	wish i knew more on znc
2018-11-26 14:36:40	snurryboy	yea me too lmao
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2018-11-26 14:37:07	snurryboy	oh ben if you see a guy called stompy signed up thats my friend
2018-11-26 14:37:19	~ben	oh yeah i saw the mail
2018-11-26 14:37:23	~ben	should already be created
2018-11-26 14:37:32	~ben	welcome to the tilde team architector4 !
2018-11-26 14:38:21	snurryboy	but yea i dunno what's going on cause i thought znc did playback buffer on stock but its just that it plays the full buffer every time you connect. and im not getting any buffer at all
2018-11-26 14:38:33	edwardthefma	I want to win the powerball
2018-11-26 14:40:17	edwardthefma	Rm -r .znc
2018-11-26 14:40:40	edwardthefma	Then znc -c
2018-11-26 14:41:05	edwardthefma	Time for a new install
2018-11-26 14:42:12	~ben	yeah i thought that was one of the benefits of running znc
2018-11-26 14:42:42	edwardthefma	You might want to ask around in #znc on irc.freenode.net
2018-11-26 14:43:12	edwardthefma	If you still have problems
2018-11-26 14:46:43	snurryboy	whats -c?
2018-11-26 14:46:49	snurryboy	i usually do znc --makeconf
2018-11-26 14:46:52	snurryboy	to start
2018-11-26 14:47:07	snurryboy	but yea i can try a reinstall i guess
2018-11-26 14:47:23	snurryboy	if it dont work still ill ask in freenode tomorrow
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2018-11-26 15:04:12	@khuxkm|lounge	midlow: tell your friend to knock it off
2018-11-26 15:04:15	@khuxkm|lounge	and be firm about it
2018-11-26 15:05:09	jan6	09:38:33      edwardthefma | I want to win the powerball
2018-11-26 15:05:15	jan6	then make sure to use the powershell
2018-11-26 15:05:17	jan6	;P
2018-11-26 15:06:27	midlow	bnen
2018-11-26 15:06:29	midlow	install the sl
2018-11-26 15:07:22	edwardthefma	If I win the power ball I'll buy 4 raid servers and a freezer room
2018-11-26 15:07:32	midlow	also bén is it possible to make it so other people cant see ur tilde folder
2018-11-26 15:07:35	midlow	like ur user
2018-11-26 15:07:39	midlow	and check ur files
2018-11-26 15:08:00	~ben	https://tilde.team/wiki/?page=cli-for-beginners
2018-11-26 15:08:22	edwardthefma	You need sudo to see inside your user folder
2018-11-26 15:08:36	~ben	https://tilde.team/wiki/?page=cli-for-beginners#how-can-i-keep-my-things-private--or-share-them-with-others-
2018-11-26 15:08:50	~ben	not necessarily
2018-11-26 15:08:55	~ben	the default umask is 022
2018-11-26 15:12:29	midlow	should i chmod 111 then
2018-11-26 15:12:43	midlow	or is it a bad idea
2018-11-26 15:13:23	ubergeek	I'll lol if you chmod your homedir 111
2018-11-26 15:13:42	midlow	im gonna do it
2018-11-26 15:13:48	midlow	and u cant stop me
2018-11-26 15:13:59	~ben	literal lol
2018-11-26 15:14:16	cdmnky	chmod 000, that'll fix your problems /s
2018-11-26 15:14:38	midlow	wtf is "Other" though
2018-11-26 15:14:45	midlow	there's user, group and other
2018-11-26 15:14:49	midlow	but what does it mean by other
2018-11-26 15:14:55	ubergeek	other people, not in your primary group
2018-11-26 15:15:03	~ben	something that doesn't match user or group
2018-11-26 15:15:05	ubergeek	(Or directory group ownership)
2018-11-26 15:15:49	~ben	group also applies to secondary groups
2018-11-26 15:16:05	midlow	i give up i dont even know about groups
2018-11-26 15:16:41	midlow	i just dont want people to look at my shit
2018-11-26 15:16:42	ubergeek	You probbaly don't want to mess with your homedir's permissions then, excepting maybe +x
2018-11-26 15:16:43	~ben	did you read the wiki page?
2018-11-26 15:16:51	~ben	it explains it pretty well
2018-11-26 15:17:00	ubergeek	midlow: that's like 90% of what a tilde server is for.
2018-11-26 15:17:30	midlow	then i'll experience the other 10%
2018-11-26 15:17:35	ubergeek	ie, I want people to be able to see what is in ~ubergeek/bin, because it may be useful.  Or my public_hhtml, etc etc
2018-11-26 15:17:45	ubergeek	I don't think you get tildes.
2018-11-26 15:18:03	midlow	yeah but i dont want them to look in a specific folder where i store m ysuper secret ascii art midget porn
2018-11-26 15:18:34	ubergeek	chmod that dir oug-rwx
2018-11-26 15:18:48	ubergeek	Nobody will get in that directory then
2018-11-26 15:19:19	~ben	chmod 700 maybe
2018-11-26 15:19:38	midlow	ok so
2018-11-26 15:19:53	midlow	user is me, group is ??? and other is the rest of tilde?
2018-11-26 15:20:35	ubergeek	https://www.tutorialspoint.com/unix/unix-file-permission.htm
2018-11-26 15:21:15	midlow	i dont think thats gonna help me understand if the rest of ~team is group or other
2018-11-26 15:21:23	midlow	just gonna teach me how to use the command
2018-11-26 15:21:30	ubergeek	read.
2018-11-26 15:21:44	ubergeek	Seriously.  Read.
2018-11-26 15:21:45	midlow	yes. this is literally not telling me anything
2018-11-26 15:21:52	ubergeek	Then you are not reading it
2018-11-26 15:22:02	ubergeek	It literally explains UNIX permissions quite well.
2018-11-26 15:22:33	midlow	you know what i give up
2018-11-26 15:22:41	midlow	feel free to ls my midget porn
2018-11-26 15:22:46	ubergeek	Read this if you don't understand UNIX groups: https://kb.iu.edu/d/aeqw
2018-11-26 15:23:35	ubergeek	90% of what you are asking is explained with a couple of google searches, in a much better way than can be done via IRC
2018-11-26 15:24:19	midlow	oh ok i get it now
2018-11-26 15:24:31	midlow	chmod 700 is exactly what i want
2018-11-26 15:25:57	ubergeek	probably.
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2018-11-26 15:33:33	jan6	problem? rtfm
2018-11-26 15:33:44	jan6	still problem? google
2018-11-26 15:33:48	jan6	still problem? ask
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2018-11-26 15:38:26	~ben	++jan6
2018-11-26 15:39:19	jan6	1st and 2nd step can be swapped if desired
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2018-11-26 15:41:53	jan6	???
2018-11-26 15:42:20	jan6	another thelounge autoupdate?
2018-11-26 15:43:31	jan6	s/\w$/crash?/
2018-11-26 15:43:49	cdmnky	jan6: apparently all the lounge users got deleted
2018-11-26 15:45:21	jan6	not deleted, lol
2018-11-26 15:45:24	jan6	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_AnIizeH1Q
2018-11-26 15:45:35	jan6	wrong channel, no tildebot here
2018-11-26 15:46:18	jan6	or maybe they did
2018-11-26 15:46:20	jan6	cool
2018-11-26 15:47:02	~ben	um
2018-11-26 15:47:05	~ben	deleted
2018-11-26 15:47:07	~ben	how
2018-11-26 15:47:10	~ben	who did it
2018-11-26 15:48:03	jan6	chec the logs that you definitely remembered to have
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2018-11-26 15:52:11	~ben	looks like it was working fine in the last backup
2018-11-26 15:52:20	~ben	files were deleted when it crashed
2018-11-26 15:53:39	edwardthefma	Owch
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2018-11-26 16:05:24	~ben	amcclure: amcclure[team] amcclure[town] if you don't delete some shit from your $HOME by this evening i'm going to clear shit out for you
2018-11-26 16:05:32	~ben	i need to restore a backup and there's no room on the disk
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2018-11-26 16:09:36	~ben	biglysmalls: could you clear some stuff from your $HOME too?
2018-11-26 16:09:41	~ben	khuxkm: you too?
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2018-11-26 16:24:16	BabiliBot	[bbj] 'irc integration' (aewens) : Bleep bloop, is this still pushing to IRC? <https://bbj.tilde.team/index.php?thread_id=2ffe3150950311e89113901b0efcebe0>
2018-11-26 16:24:49	cdmnky	aewens: yup, it pushed to irc
2018-11-26 16:24:57	~ben	it hasn't been
2018-11-26 16:24:59	~ben	but it did now
2018-11-26 16:25:23	aewens	Yeah, I broke it when I tried to fix a bug. It's unbroken now, whoops.
2018-11-26 16:29:13	~ben	heh np
2018-11-26 16:29:22	~ben	did you get a chance to look at the banner logo for tilde.zone?
2018-11-26 16:31:07	aewens	Right, still need to do that. I'll work on it now, I'm at home today since there's a blizzard going on here.
2018-11-26 16:32:34	~ben	i'm curious what a blizzard entails for you
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2018-11-26 16:38:48	cdmnky	ben: lucky for me, the adirondacks are pushing the blizzard south of me and into vermont lol
2018-11-26 16:42:15	~ben	heh nice
2018-11-26 16:42:28	cdmnky	RIP Burlington
2018-11-26 16:42:31	~ben	there was close to a foot of snow when i left to go up to my parents
2018-11-26 16:42:42	~ben	and none when i got home last night there was none :D
2018-11-26 16:42:51	cdmnky	ben: all the snow we got last week melted overnight lol
2018-11-26 16:43:17	aewens	ben: The news said there was a blizzard, so ask the weather people here what entails a blizzard?
2018-11-26 16:44:04	jan6	I call for a whirling Ubisoft to follow
2018-11-26 16:44:14	~ben	lol i generally consider it a blizzard if you can't see
2018-11-26 16:44:22	~ben	and at least 6 inches of snow
2018-11-26 16:44:31	cdmnky	blizzard in atlanta: a dusting. blizzard in the north: no visibility
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2018-11-26 16:47:18	aewens	Well, it was a blizzard yesterday. I'm still here now since my car is frozen in a block of ice. https://tilde.team/~aewens/snow.png
2018-11-26 16:47:18	jan6	blizzard in the artic: "am I dead yet?"
2018-11-26 16:48:24	~ben	hey that's a decent dusting
2018-11-26 16:48:27	~ben	not bad
2018-11-26 16:49:32	jan6	eh, just another monday ;P
2018-11-26 16:50:51	~ben	yups!
2018-11-26 16:52:15	~ben	i still haven't figured out how to restore one dir
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2018-11-26 16:52:27	~ben	waiting on amcclure to delete some stuff from his $HOME
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2018-11-26 17:02:21	~ben	frick there's no way i'll be able to restore a recent backup
2018-11-26 17:02:35	~ben	/home is like 125gb in most of the recent ones
2018-11-26 17:02:52	~ben	the whole disk is only 200gb
2018-11-26 17:08:42	~ben	might have found a way
2018-11-26 17:16:57	jan6	curl|tar|xz
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2018-11-26 17:30:30	aewens	ben: https://tildegit.org/team/site/pulls/24
2018-11-26 17:30:46	~ben	I got the mail!
2018-11-26 17:30:50	~ben	did you see my comment?
2018-11-26 17:30:57	~ben	thoughts on a monospace font?
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2018-11-26 18:02:57	tomasino	https://www.typewolf.com/top-10-monospaced-fonts
2018-11-26 18:03:16	~ben	i like plex and input mono
2018-11-26 18:03:44	tomasino	space mono is pretty
2018-11-26 18:04:05	~ben	looks like a chunkier version of plex
2018-11-26 18:04:50	tomasino	there's some similarities for sure
2018-11-26 18:05:23	~ben	quite a few
2018-11-26 18:05:32	~ben	i like that plex is open source
2018-11-26 18:07:16	tomasino	i'm gonna test space mono on cosmic and see what it feels like
2018-11-26 18:07:24	~ben	is it free?
2018-11-26 18:07:32	tomasino	google font as well, yarr
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2018-11-26 18:08:41	tomasino	nah, don't care for it
2018-11-26 18:08:53	tomasino	ascii art looks janky
2018-11-26 18:09:11	~ben	ah yeah that'll kill it
2018-11-26 18:09:18	cdmnky	yeah, this is what plex does to urxvt https://ttm.sh/bq.png 
2018-11-26 18:09:21	~ben	http://input.fontbureau.com/
2018-11-26 18:09:37	~ben	that doesn't look like plex
2018-11-26 18:09:46	tomasino	inconsolata is the one i use on my sistem
2018-11-26 18:09:58	cdmnky	on the left is a terminal I had open before I refreshed Xresources
2018-11-26 18:10:03	cdmnky	on the right is the plex
2018-11-26 18:10:13	~ben	fc-cache -fv
2018-11-26 18:10:59	cdmnky	no change
2018-11-26 18:12:06	tomasino	oh yeah, inconsolata is sexy
2018-11-26 18:12:31	~ben	i've used it before
2018-11-26 18:12:38	~ben	i've been using input mono a lot lately
2018-11-26 18:12:40	~ben	it's h0tt
2018-11-26 18:14:08	cdmnky	It was spaces, not dashes lol
2018-11-26 18:14:57	~ben	?
2018-11-26 18:15:31	cdmnky	in the font name, I put ibm-plex-mono instead of ibm plex mono
2018-11-26 18:15:57	~ben	oh did that fix it?
2018-11-26 18:16:07	~ben	i thought that was re: fc-cache -fv
2018-11-26 18:16:26	cdmnky	font names are tempremental
2018-11-26 18:16:43	cdmnky	i'm not sure I like the serifs that much tbh
2018-11-26 18:16:59	~ben	that's fair
2018-11-26 18:17:04	~ben	i'm liking it for code
2018-11-26 18:17:09	~ben	and input mono for terminal
2018-11-26 18:17:29	cdmnky	it
2018-11-26 18:17:38	cdmnky	it's pretty sleek though
2018-11-26 18:36:52	tomasino	space mono is pretty
2018-11-26 18:37:41	ahriman	Hack is t3h s3x0rz as far as fonts go
2018-11-26 18:37:56	~ben	hack is decent
2018-11-26 18:39:24	ahriman	no it's t3h s3x0rz
2018-11-26 18:39:31	ubergeek	I just cleared a bunch out of my home dir as well
2018-11-26 18:39:38	ahriman	is input mono super readable?
2018-11-26 18:40:07	~ben	i like input mono a ton for terminal
2018-11-26 18:40:40	~ben	https://i.imgur.com/qNVeDZf.png
2018-11-26 18:41:05	~ben	weechat looks real nice with it
2018-11-26 18:41:59	ubergeek	I generally use that terminus, because I'm too lazy to change it to something else
2018-11-26 18:43:00	ahriman	ben: looks nifty, also it looks like my main concerns arent an issue with it: O/0, I/l/1
2018-11-26 18:45:53	~ben	O0Il1 are quite easily distinguishable
2018-11-26 18:49:28	ahriman	i just switched back to inconsolata because i noticed on hack that O/0 are way too similar
2018-11-26 18:49:54	~ben	lol
2018-11-26 18:49:56	~ben	that's fair
2018-11-26 18:50:39	 *	ahriman shrugs in font snop
2018-11-26 18:50:52	ahriman	s/snop/snob/
2018-11-26 18:50:53	sedbot	* ahriman shrugs in font snob
2018-11-26 18:51:03	ahriman	ty sedbot
2018-11-26 18:51:13	cdmnky	!toot  
2018-11-26 18:51:13	minerbot2	cdmnky: Toot failed!
2018-11-26 18:52:17	ahriman	!toot tootacalitootilistictootpialitootus
2018-11-26 18:52:18	minerbot2	ahriman: Tooted!
2018-11-26 18:52:32	~ben	!toot doot doot
2018-11-26 18:52:32	minerbot2	ben: Tooted!
2018-11-26 18:52:42	cdmnky	did someone just toot a bunch of newline characters?
2018-11-26 18:52:46	cdmnky	!toot \n
2018-11-26 18:52:46	minerbot2	cdmnky: Tooted!
2018-11-26 18:52:50	~ben	wasn't me
2018-11-26 18:52:50	cdmnky	oof
2018-11-26 18:53:03	ahriman	lol i did not do that so...
2018-11-26 18:53:29	cdmnky	it must be someone going from the cli on team
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2018-11-26 18:54:55	~ben	ah yea
2018-11-26 19:09:16	jan6	hmm
2018-11-26 19:11:57	@khuxkm	ben: webirc is broken
2018-11-26 19:12:00	@khuxkm	please fix
2018-11-26 19:23:16	jan6	he NOWS
2018-11-26 19:23:20	jan6	gnaws
2018-11-26 19:23:25	ubergeek	he noes
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2018-11-26 20:17:00	~ben	welcome tosun !
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2018-11-27 08:25:34	ahriman	j #dnd
2018-11-27 08:25:51	slipyx	no ty
2018-11-27 08:26:04	ahriman	lol, i didn't press / hard enough
2018-11-27 08:27:28	ahriman	trying to get autossh to tunnel like ssh 6667:localhost:6667, but it's not working. is anyone familiar with autossh who can tell me what's wrong with this command? it's printing help and exiting
2018-11-27 08:27:48	ahriman	autossh -f -nNTL 6667:localhost:6667 user@remotehost
2018-11-27 08:28:51	ahriman	nevermind, got it working
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2018-11-27 11:58:16	@cmccabe	'morning ~teamsters
2018-11-27 12:01:16	jan6|	afternoon
2018-11-27 12:06:16	@cmccabe	and everything in between or beyond
2018-11-27 12:12:50	jan6|	10:27:48 <ahriman> autossh -f -nNTL 6667:localhost:6667 user@remotehost
2018-11-27 12:13:17	jan6|	I think you have to put the options BEHIND the user@host thing?
2018-11-27 12:13:20	jan6|	idk
2018-11-27 12:19:24	jan6|	actually no difference, I think
2018-11-27 12:19:49	jan6|	I get no errors with your snippet tho
2018-11-27 12:20:14	jan6|	nevermind you already got it working anyway
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2018-11-27 14:00:21	~ben	welcome avalyn !
2018-11-27 14:00:48	~ben	options go before user@host for autossh 
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2018-11-27 16:19:21	midlow1	WTF+
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2018-11-27 16:19:23	midlow1	LOL WTF
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2018-11-27 16:20:21	midlow1	ok wtf
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2018-11-27 16:22:42	midlow1	architector4: blyat
2018-11-27 16:28:32	jan6	u don goofd
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2018-11-27 17:23:44	giteabot	[team/site]  pushed 84 commits to master. (Merge branch 'tildezone-logos' of aewens/site into master, Merge branch 'tildezone-logos' of aewens/site into master, Adding tildezone logos, Merge branch 'cosmic-voyage' of tomasino/site into master, added cosmic-voyage to other-tildes list, Sort user list, Skip over user asm (broken thunix mirror :P), public tos, link from coc, update other-tildes list, Merge branch 'merge-css' of team/site
2018-11-27 17:23:44	giteabot	into master, fix up makefile, remove npm scripts from package.json, merge css in, add makefile, new build artifacts, add plex fonts, Merge branch 'master' of fosslinux/site into master, add note to blog from my perspective, add tos, Merge branch 'master' of BrendanTCC/site into master, Add 'news/pages/023_tilde.team_down.md', lots of work on #13, switch to new logo. closes #18, Add tilde.cat to the wiki, update forbidden username list, Merge branch
2018-11-27 17:23:44	giteabot	'multi-logos' of aewens/site into master, Added logo for ~news, ~radio, ~git, and ~zone, add ssh info, Add Table of Contents to admin docs, tilde.news is the link aggregator, add lxd info, change contact to sudoers@tilde.team, Merge branch 'ssh-mods' of erxeto/site into master, SSH: bigger bitsize keys for RSA and option to use ed25519., add nand.club, add thunix.org to other tildes, Fix date format, Remove trailing comma, Make things smaller (#15),
2018-11-27 17:23:45	giteabot	site/news: 022_New_BSD_Machine.json (#14), add tilderadio.org, update gitignore, add sieve info, update nand.sh description on wiki, nand.{sh,pub,team,zone}, add ttm.sh to tildepages list, update reserved names, add command shortcut for makeuser, css-artifact, move domain list to domains page, add domains and tildepages wiki articles, relative link to user, update git URLs, add user-unit wiki page, add humans.txt, add tild3.org, add tildeverse.org notice,
2018-11-27 17:23:45	giteabot	update irc wiki pages, add tilde.{life,pizza}, add tilde.{ninja,wtf}, add tilde.news domain for email, Fix strikethrough, Add news post on discord lockdown, ttbp wiki page, remove 'radical' from our mission statement, Add how to bypass resource limits on services user, css-artifact, add ttm.sh and fix markdown table, refactor a bit and add some services to the list, Just some cleanup, Updated internship section, added AOC to learning, add header linksg, Added
2018-11-27 17:23:45	giteabot	more content to advanced-ssh, update some links on the wiki README, fix conflicting info on user creation, update gitea links, make headers bigger on cli-for-beginners, update welcome email, update links on wiki, added header, new page, Added tildeverse logos, Moved logos into logos directory, Fixed derp mistake of overwriting mail with team logo, fixed psd->png for tildeteam-bg.png, Added ~team logos, Added mail logos;
2018-11-27 17:23:45	giteabot	https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/6ae9f7c)
2018-11-27 17:24:24	aewens	Hi giteabot, you spammy little thing
2018-11-27 17:27:23	~ben	wtf
2018-11-27 17:29:13	jan6	^
2018-11-27 17:29:54	~ben	why tf did it think you pushed that many commits
2018-11-27 17:30:52	jan6	it's not one
2018-11-27 17:31:00	jan6	it's many different people, actually
2018-11-27 17:31:31	jan6	or I'd assume so
2018-11-27 17:32:06	jan6	Merge branch 'ssh-mods' of erxeto/site into master
2018-11-27 17:32:22	jan6	Merge branch 'master' of fosslinux/site into master
2018-11-27 17:32:38	jan6	etc
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2018-11-27 17:42:37	~ben	yes why did giteabot think those were all pushed just now
2018-11-27 17:42:41	~ben	they weren'te
2018-11-27 17:50:31	jan6	every push ever was pushed at the same second, right?
2018-11-27 18:05:36	~ben	?
2018-11-27 18:05:39	~ben	it was one push 
2018-11-27 18:05:42	~ben	of one merged PR
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2018-11-27 18:14:00	zaphod	what's up ya zarkin' froods!
2018-11-27 18:14:24	~ben	hi zaphod 
2018-11-27 18:14:24	zaphod	hey ben!
2018-11-27 18:14:32	~ben	why did you come back now zaphod ?
2018-11-27 18:15:27	BabiliBot	I don't think Zaphod was ever in a rush to be somewhere
2018-11-27 18:15:59	~ben	systemd user service didn't wanna restart?
2018-11-27 18:16:01	~ben	idk
2018-11-27 18:16:53	aewens	I had to manually restart BabiliBot since when the server came back, something about ChanServ missing made it never fully connect.
2018-11-27 18:18:50	sebboh-yt	sup beeblebrox, nice to meet you
2018-11-27 18:18:54	~ben	heh
2018-11-27 18:18:58	~ben	.help
2018-11-27 18:18:59	zaphod	hey don't panic! i'm the president of the galaxy. available modules: admin, ascii, help, hhgtg, source, talk, tictactoe, time, uptime. do `.help <module>` for more info on each.
2018-11-27 18:19:05	~ben	.talk
2018-11-27 18:19:05	zaphod	What do you think I am, completely without any moral whatsits, what are they called, those moral things?
2018-11-27 18:19:05	sebboh-yt	fuck me
2018-11-27 18:19:11	~ben	ok
2018-11-27 18:19:26	aewens	I'll pass, maybe next time.
2018-11-27 18:19:47	sebboh-yt	guys I just greeted a bot.  /me hangs head in shame
2018-11-27 18:19:53	~ben	.ascii next time then ;)
2018-11-27 18:19:53	zaphod	next time then ;)
2018-11-27 18:20:33	~ben	lol i only knew that zaphod's a bot cause i wrote it
2018-11-27 18:20:44	~ben	i can see how you wouldn't be able to tell
2018-11-27 18:21:18	~ben	since he joins on connect and then responds to hi
2018-11-27 18:21:19	~ben	lol
2018-11-27 18:21:21	jan6	.greet me
2018-11-27 18:21:29	jan6	hello zaphod not
2018-11-27 18:21:29	zaphod	hey jan6!
2018-11-27 18:38:53	~ben	.uptime
2018-11-27 18:38:53	zaphod	 13:38:53 up 140 days, 16:26, 212 users,  load average: 0.37, 0.75, 1.17
2018-11-27 18:38:57	~ben	nice load
2018-11-27 18:41:06	edwardthefma	Sup akk
2018-11-27 18:41:10	edwardthefma	All
2018-11-27 18:41:19	~ben	soup
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2018-11-27 19:03:32	zaphod	 14:03:32 up 140 days, 16:51, 212 users,  load average: 0.77, 1.33, 1.53
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2018-11-27 19:35:15	~ben	hey biglysmalls 
2018-11-27 19:39:35	jan6	smallybigs
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2018-11-27 19:42:58	edwardthefma	Sup jan
2018-11-27 19:43:06	edwardthefma	Jan6
2018-11-27 19:45:33	jan6	nup
2018-11-27 19:48:29	fosslinux	i only pushed one of those ~3 wks ago
2018-11-27 20:01:01	biglysmalls	yo
2018-11-27 20:01:42	jan6	schmo
2018-11-27 20:02:33	~ben	how goes it biglysmalls 
2018-11-27 20:03:31	biglysmalls	it goes coldly
2018-11-27 20:03:51	biglysmalls	how's things in #team?
2018-11-27 20:04:38	~ben	it goes :P
2018-11-27 20:05:12	midlow	hey bigly did u hear what happened with the thelounge accounts
2018-11-27 20:07:00	@khuxkm|lounge	midlow's friend architector managed to crash the account creation tool so badly it deleted all of the users
2018-11-27 20:09:36	~ben	huge pain in my ass
2018-11-27 20:10:00	midlow	it just went "AGH"
2018-11-27 20:10:04	midlow	and fucking deleted everything
2018-11-27 20:10:15	midlow	he piped cowsay with feels with botany with pretty much every command
2018-11-27 20:10:15	biglysmalls	what is thelounge?
2018-11-27 20:10:20	midlow	oh the irc client
2018-11-27 20:10:30	midlow	https://irc.tilde.team
2018-11-27 20:10:46	biglysmalls	oh! i weechat from ~town
2018-11-27 20:11:25	~ben	weechat++
2018-11-27 20:11:34	biglysmalls	will the thelounge situation cause problems for users? like, were there persistent settings and configs that got lost as a result?
2018-11-27 20:12:02	cdmnky	I haven't had any issues, everything was back where I left it
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2018-11-27 20:13:06	~ben	i restored from a backup
2018-11-27 20:13:30	~ben	the archive was huuuuge though so it was taking like an hour each time i tried
2018-11-27 20:13:37	~ben	and i had the relative paths wrong
2018-11-27 20:13:42	~ben	took like 6 or 7 tries
2018-11-27 20:13:44	~ben	:(
2018-11-27 20:14:00	cdmnky	did you end up having to clear out space on the disks?
2018-11-27 20:14:36	biglysmalls	ick!
2018-11-27 20:15:00	~ben	amcclure finally cleared out some stuff from his $HOME
2018-11-27 20:15:07	~ben	still got over 20gb i thin
2018-11-27 20:15:09	~ben	s/$/k
2018-11-27 20:15:09	sedbot	<ben> still got over 20gb i think
2018-11-27 20:15:15	cdmnky	lol
2018-11-27 20:15:28	~ben	cdmnky: i figured out how to restore individual files/dirs
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2018-11-27 20:15:35	cdmnky	what could one possibly store 20G worth of on a tilde :/
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2018-11-27 20:16:22	~ben	it was 55gb
2018-11-27 20:16:24	~ben	i h ave no idea
2018-11-27 20:16:30	~ben	amcclure: ?
2018-11-27 20:16:36	~ben	oh i think it was some backups from thunix
2018-11-27 20:16:43	~ben	which had tooooons of free space
2018-11-27 20:16:49	~ben	and we don't
2018-11-27 20:16:51	cdmnky	hmm
2018-11-27 20:17:22	cdmnky	!toot is minerbot here?
2018-11-27 20:17:30	~ben	khuxkm|lounge: khuxkm ^
2018-11-27 20:27:07	 *	biglysmalls goes back to lurking. back later!
2018-11-27 20:28:52	~ben	lol fair enough
2018-11-27 20:28:54	~ben	ciao!
2018-11-27 20:58:58	@khuxkm|lounge	hmmst
2018-11-27 20:59:12	@khuxkm|lounge	#team IS in its chanlist
2018-11-27 20:59:38	@khuxkm|lounge	someone must have crashed minerbot
2018-11-27 20:59:39	@khuxkm|lounge	ffs
2018-11-27 20:59:47	aewens	Blame ben/midlow
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2018-11-27 21:23:10	aewens	brendantcc_lounge: ben is saying that !toot here will come from @tildeteam
2018-11-27 21:24:30	brendantcc_lounge	!toot good morning/evening ~teammates!
2018-11-27 21:24:44	brendantcc_lounge	but of course khuxkm's set an ignor on me ;-;
2018-11-27 21:25:55	~ben	!toot hi
2018-11-27 21:25:55	minerbot2	ben: Tooted!
2018-11-27 21:26:06	brendantcc_lounge	-_-
2018-11-27 21:27:22	~ben	:x
2018-11-27 22:25:44	dokuja	:(
2018-11-27 22:25:50	aewens	:o
2018-11-27 22:26:04	~ben	:3
2018-11-27 22:26:50	aewens	:<
2018-11-27 22:27:15	~ben	:>
2018-11-27 22:27:44	dokuja	:S
2018-11-27 22:31:14	~ben	:Z
2018-11-27 22:46:49	ubergeek	/
2018-11-27 22:47:00	ubergeek	c-c-c-combo breaker!
2018-11-27 23:06:37	~ben	https://quotes.tilde.chat/quote/89
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2018-11-28 06:25:25	fosslinux	lol
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2018-11-28 07:28:30	fosslinux	aewens: blame m1ld0w
2018-11-28 07:28:36	fosslinux	!toot works?
2018-11-28 07:28:36	minerbot2	fosslinux: Tooted!
2018-11-28 07:28:38	fosslinux	good
2018-11-28 07:29:38	fosslinux	ben: i might be testing a new script for tildelinux to automate signup, sorry for any spam you may acidentally get. i'll try to start by sending it to me, but then i'll try sending to you.
2018-11-28 07:30:19	fosslinux	oh just realiased, its a form, so sorry for spam
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2018-11-28 09:28:17	stompy	argh
2018-11-28 09:28:19	stompy	hey
2018-11-28 09:28:21	stompy	is anybody up
2018-11-28 09:28:23	stompy	??
2018-11-28 09:28:40	stompy	whats the irc server i should use locally on my machine to connect here
2018-11-28 09:28:55	stompy	id rather leave it running all the time in my native client than keep hopping on and off here
2018-11-28 09:30:21	stompy	my client just gives me an eternal "connecting..." message
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2018-11-28 12:45:33	ubergeek	stompy: I do not believe you can connect to the irc server remotely.  You'll need to set up znc or something.
2018-11-28 12:45:55	ubergeek	personally, I keep weechat running in a byobu tab, and the use mosh to connect
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2018-11-28 14:09:34	~ben	ubergeek: irc.tilde.chat
2018-11-28 14:09:38	~ben	6697 with ssl
2018-11-28 14:09:56	~ben	you can definitely connect from wherever
2018-11-28 14:16:54	ubergeek	ooh, neat :)
2018-11-28 14:24:57	~ben	it's a round robin host that hits a bunch of different boxen
2018-11-28 14:24:58	~ben	;)
2018-11-28 14:25:15	~ben	6 ircds now!
2018-11-28 14:26:26	ubergeek	6?  man, I need to pull the news ones, and update chat.tilde zone
2018-11-28 14:26:37	 *	tomasino does the ircd dance
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2018-11-28 14:27:06	~ben	see /map or https://tilde.chat/wiki/?page=servers
2018-11-28 14:27:39	 *	jan6 does the DNS dance
2018-11-28 14:27:39	~ben	lol how about the dnsircd dance
2018-11-28 14:27:39	jan6	ircdns
2018-11-28 14:27:39	jan6	daemon name server
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2018-11-28 17:07:14	amcclure[team]	"thunix@tilde.team: Permission denied (publickey)."
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2018-11-28 17:08:42	~ben	um
2018-11-28 17:08:59	~ben	are you using this key
2018-11-28 17:09:01	~ben	ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAADAQABAAACAQCeUqe0pxjbU39PSr9ypn3aiwUErZu7OVkVM0qjprKyNMfLVt8o8W7TPogoB6MeHAlvH6w4KNBOy+y425jDJ3iE94kXkT0FZdvTwUQ79i7pnrpaL2k9Wa2uTEj/asA8X05vhmsvFsApaJCOS0dcmVGFsijtVzLadke7MpaGSOb3wN6t6RxsnPHnOYwu8PyFhKhIYa8OImQvbM85CIU1s47IHgZhByq2y5lopfDYwnWR6SX82xXhavgfHAexlll4rha6d8j059l5ZvSHAMTbY4YjYDfWbYmB0EQXjxb2UuClnX9EESl6V2iq/txapCXdEOccBO83GxMGPQ== amcclure@thunix.org
2018-11-28 17:09:09	amcclure	yes
2018-11-28 17:10:18	amcclure	it asks for the passphrase then says denied
2018-11-28 17:10:57	~ben	Nov 28 12:09:57 tilde sshd[30550]: Connection reset by authenticating user thunix 130.101.154.73 port 63982 [preauth]
2018-11-28 17:11:05	~ben	that's what i'm seeing
2018-11-28 17:11:23	amcclure	was the ip banned or something?
2018-11-28 17:12:28	~ben	Connection reset is the only message i'm seeing
2018-11-28 17:12:55	amcclure	it works when I tried to log into amcclure though
2018-11-28 17:13:33	~ben	https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/102502/meaning-of-connection-closed-by-xxx-preauth-in-sshd-logs
2018-11-28 17:14:52	~ben	it's something on your end afaict
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2018-11-28 17:58:45	~ben	skynebula: is that an install request?
2018-11-28 17:58:47	~ben	:P
2018-11-28 18:00:46	BabiliBot	[bbj] 'audit log' (auditbot) : log date 2018-11-28 13:00:41: ben - "installed vf-1 gopher browser" <https://bbj.tilde.team/index.php?thread_id=d12a52f08c4511e89113901b0efcebe0>
2018-11-28 18:00:51	~ben	skynebula: ^^
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2018-11-28 18:23:54	BabiliBot	[bbj] 'audit log' (auditbot) : log date 2018-11-28 13:23:53: ben - "installed gopher package (another gopher browser)" <https://bbj.tilde.team/index.php?thread_id=d12a52f08c4511e89113901b0efcebe0>
2018-11-28 18:28:32	cdmnky	ben: FYI I get this when I run gopher on ~team
2018-11-28 18:28:35	cdmnky	*** buffer overflow detected ***: gopher terminated
2018-11-28 18:28:38	cdmnky	                                                   Aborted (core dumped)
2018-11-28 18:29:32	~ben	???
2018-11-28 18:29:35	~ben	wot
2018-11-28 18:29:37	~ben	works fine for me
2018-11-28 18:29:44	~ben	gopher localhost
2018-11-28 18:30:10	cdmnky	huh, that didn't work either
2018-11-28 18:30:23	ubergeek	cdmnky: very weird.
2018-11-28 18:30:26	cdmnky	I see a .gopherrc file in my home (empty). is that new?
2018-11-28 18:30:32	ubergeek	what is the actual command line you are using?
2018-11-28 18:30:44	cdmnky	$ gopher
2018-11-28 18:30:47	ubergeek	"gopher tilde.team"
2018-11-28 18:30:59	ubergeek	it doesn't have a page to load
2018-11-28 18:31:17	cdmnky	that didn't work either, I tried 'gopher sdf.org' too
2018-11-28 18:31:54	aewens	Simple solution, just use HTTP(S) instead of gopher /s
2018-11-28 18:32:01	cdmnky	lol
2018-11-28 18:32:18	aewens	I hear most pages are already using it already
2018-11-28 18:35:12	jan6	make a http -> gopher proxy, lol
2018-11-28 18:35:36	cdmnky	jan6: http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/
2018-11-28 18:37:14	~ben	cdmnky: https://gopher.tilde.team
2018-11-28 18:38:24	jan6	that's the wrong way
2018-11-28 18:38:38	jan6	it's gopher -> http
2018-11-28 18:38:48	jan6	it's what everyone's doing
2018-11-28 18:41:28	jan6	I want the other way
2018-11-28 18:41:41	~ben	you want http in gopher?
2018-11-28 18:41:57	jan6	why not ;P
2018-11-28 18:50:43	~ben	ytho
2018-11-28 18:50:50	~ben	write a gopher cgi thing for it
2018-11-28 18:59:28	aewens	Part of the problem with http(s) -> gopher is that most http(s) webpages assume a browser rendering their html/css/js components where gopher does none of that.
2018-11-28 19:00:01	aewens	Making gopher -> http is simple enough because it does not require anything from http that it doesn't do already, where the opposite is not true
2018-11-28 19:03:51	~ben	that too
2018-11-28 19:05:23	jan6	http doesn't MEAN html
2018-11-28 19:06:01	jan6	you can just use a browser to browse it
2018-11-28 19:06:14	jan6	and there IS a html datatype, iirc
2018-11-28 19:07:42	aewens	jan6: My argument is that the majority/plurality of the HTTP usage consumed by users is in html/css/js format
2018-11-28 19:11:42	~ben	https://bhh.sh/u/20181128-141042.png
2018-11-28 19:12:19	aewens	Nice meme +999
2018-11-28 19:12:51	jan6	what I'm saying is that html isn't an issue, and probably css/js not that much either
2018-11-28 19:13:13	jan6	nice meme, old one
2018-11-28 19:13:18	jan6	also too accurate
2018-11-28 19:15:21	aewens	I'm not saying html is an issue, I'm saying the combination of html/css/js is an issue. There's a reason people are fussing about javascript, so many people are now dynamically rendering their sites that serving a static page to gopher from it would not be trivial to accomplish
2018-11-28 19:16:21	jan6	just kill those sites with fire
2018-11-28 19:16:23	jan6	ez pz
2018-11-28 19:16:33	aewens	On a side note, I'm mildly planning to ditch both HTTP(S) and gopher and make my own protocol. The Internet is doomed and and I'm paving a new way to the promise land.
2018-11-28 19:18:01	jan6	lol
2018-11-28 19:18:06	jan6	not too bad of an idea
2018-11-28 19:18:23	jan6	there already are a bunch of kinda-alternatives
2018-11-28 19:18:33	jan6	stuff like zeronet and things
2018-11-28 19:18:45	jan6	zeronet is KEWL
2018-11-28 19:19:18	aewens	Part of this is driven by paranoia, so zeronet too is tainted by not being created by me.
2018-11-28 19:20:19	aewens	The tricky part is coming up with a new cryptographic algorithm because the current crypto libraries could have backdoors for governments and we cannot be having any of that.
2018-11-28 19:21:15	jan6	just don't use any LIBRARIES, dummy
2018-11-28 19:21:28	jan6	make your own based on the specifications
2018-11-28 19:24:26	jan6	text through specific setting of little text ciphers (enigma-box style, with selection of stuff like vinegere and caesars and anything else, according to the user inputted seed) over sha256 verified pgp?
2018-11-28 19:25:10	jan6	the message in pgp is verified, signed, and then verified again, of course
2018-11-28 19:26:18	jan6	this way I'd estimate it to be near impossible to bruteforce without some VERY heavy resources
2018-11-28 19:26:47	jan6	oh, and then just encode it in a custom encoding like base256 just for giggles
2018-11-28 19:27:31	jan6	NOBODY's gonna bruteforce that, unless they have some supercomputers from the future
2018-11-28 19:28:28	jan6	course it'll be a lot bigger than original message but if you REALLY wanted to bee custom privatee, then why not, eh?
2018-11-28 19:36:11	aewens	jan6: As someone who works at a company that sells supercomputers, I happen to have the ability to bruteforce a lot of things if I really wanted to
2018-11-28 19:36:33	ubergeek	Don't make your own crypto algo...
2018-11-28 19:36:35	aewens	And my issue is not the mathy side of things, but the non-sense part of security like timing attacks and stuff like that
2018-11-28 19:37:09	ubergeek	Plenty of crypto algos and libs have been, and are currently, heavily tested, and proven
2018-11-28 19:37:17	aewens	ubergeek: I'd more be making my own implementation of a crypto algo for the sole context of using in my own Internet protocol.
2018-11-28 19:37:57	ubergeek	I personally wouldn't do that either.  Nothing wrong with using tls libs, that are FOSS.  They are constantly tested
2018-11-28 19:38:22	ubergeek	Even the cipher specs used in openssh are heavily tested.
2018-11-28 19:38:31	aewens	If I were to use any, that's what I'd do. Like I said, right now it's just a thought in my head that I've made no actions upon yet.
2018-11-28 19:40:00	aewens	My main concern is using any NIST produced algoritms / curves that many security libraries like to adopt.
2018-11-28 19:41:10	ubergeek	If they are FOSS, it doesn't matter who wrote it really
2018-11-28 19:41:17	aewens	I want my Internet to be a home-brewed, paranoia safe haven for wackos like me. And it seems like a fun(ny) project to take on.
2018-11-28 19:41:26	ubergeek	:)
2018-11-28 19:42:33	aewens	And yeah, it does because if they use something like ecdsa but use curves selected by NIST they could be vulnerable to backdoors from the math perspective (not necessarily software designed ones)
2018-11-28 19:43:15	aewens	See curve25519 used in libssh for an example on this kinda stuff.
2018-11-28 19:45:36	fosslinux	o/
2018-11-28 19:47:09	aewens	Hey fosslinux 
2018-11-28 19:48:06	fosslinux	whats up
2018-11-28 20:04:00	aewens	Talking about making a new (and better?) Internet, you?
2018-11-28 20:15:21	jan6	nothing
2018-11-28 20:38:09	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed 2 commits to master. (Merge branch 'master' of tilde.team:team/site, add tos; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/b3c3395)
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2018-11-28 20:43:18	aewens	That's far less spammy than before
2018-11-28 20:59:22	amcclure	anyone have suggestions for physical servers?
2018-11-28 21:02:02	~ben	lol ask on all the channels
2018-11-28 21:22:40	aewens	amcclure: If you looking for something to use in production, my company sells physical servers ;)
2018-11-28 21:23:53	amcclure	what's the company called
2018-11-28 21:25:56	~ben	oooo a tilde on supercomputer hardward
2018-11-28 21:25:58	~ben	leggo
2018-11-28 21:26:59	aewens	The starting price for the big boy servers we sell is about $15K, if that's in your budget.
2018-11-28 21:27:05	jan6	I'm not gonna leggo
2018-11-28 21:27:39	jan6	aewens: just steal the faulty and rejected or returned ones and secretly build a tilde supercomputer lol ;P
2018-11-28 21:28:07	aewens	I would if they didn't have cameras in the warehouse and annually inventory checks xD
2018-11-28 21:28:50	~ben	lel
2018-11-28 21:28:57	jan6	heh, fair enough
2018-11-28 21:38:15	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed b9f5313 to master. (remove reference to defunct admin app; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/b9f5313)
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2018-11-29 02:30:22	~ben	i've been thinking about the disk space issues we've been having
2018-11-29 02:30:44	ubergeek	user disk quotas set to 2MB?
2018-11-29 02:30:57	ubergeek	soft quota, of course.  Hard quota a 5MB...
2018-11-29 02:31:17	tomasino	are we having disk space issues?
2018-11-29 02:31:21	~ben	the two options i'm thinking of are disk quotas or moving to an identically priced dedi that has hdd instead of ssd
2018-11-29 02:31:34	~ben	yeah we were down to 25gb free the other day
2018-11-29 02:31:36	~ben	:x
2018-11-29 02:31:36	tomasino	disk quotas!
2018-11-29 02:31:41	ubergeek	I *believe* spinning rust is just fine
2018-11-29 02:31:51	tomasino	as someone who doesn't abuse disk space i'm in favor of that
2018-11-29 02:31:53	ubergeek	I don't think we're running any high perfomance hadoop jobs
2018-11-29 02:31:58	~ben	lol no we're not
2018-11-29 02:32:18	~ben	68gb free atm
2018-11-29 02:32:26	ubergeek	And I do not think the web server is serving 10K hpm for a Go web apps
2018-11-29 02:32:26	tomasino	that's bigger than my whole vm
2018-11-29 02:32:45	tomasino	of course, i'm only hosting text, hopefully
2018-11-29 02:34:36	~ben	for the same price i could swap to a box with 32gb ram and 8tb storage or same ram and 4gb hdd
2018-11-29 02:35:06	tomasino	well, that sounds like a good deal
2018-11-29 02:35:11	tomasino	and 5mb quotas
2018-11-29 02:35:16	tomasino	you can have ALL THE USERS
2018-11-29 02:35:26	~ben	lol yes!
2018-11-29 02:35:33	tomasino	but no, not 5mb. i'm hosting my cyoa archives on your box
2018-11-29 02:35:41	~ben	oh yeah go for it
2018-11-29 02:35:42	tomasino	they're like 80mb a piece
2018-11-29 02:35:53	~ben	that's not a big deal at all
2018-11-29 02:36:03	~ben	ámcclure has like 23gb in his $HOME atm
2018-11-29 02:36:09	tomasino	you say that now, but what about after i do cyoa for the next 50 years!
2018-11-29 02:36:14	tomasino	your ancient VM is gonna be very sad then
2018-11-29 02:36:26	~ben	lol that would probably still be less than what ámcclure has
2018-11-29 02:36:31	tomasino	hrm, probably
2018-11-29 02:36:46	~ben	not pinging him cause i've bothered him enough about it 
2018-11-29 02:36:48	ubergeek	I vote for 5MB quotas, no matter how we go
2018-11-29 02:36:50	~ben	for now
2018-11-29 02:36:54	ubergeek	and, heading to bed.  night all
2018-11-29 02:36:59	~ben	night!
2018-11-29 02:37:22	~ben	just throwing it out there about maybe swapping to a different box with hdd
2018-11-29 02:37:28	tomasino	night ubergeek 
2018-11-29 02:37:51	~ben	moar storage
2018-11-29 02:37:54	~ben	could run more stuff on there
2018-11-29 02:37:58	tomasino	just move amcclure to a new storage volume!
2018-11-29 02:38:05	~ben	lol on floppies
2018-11-29 02:38:24	~ben	i think it's still refugee stuff from the thunix shutdown
2018-11-29 02:39:14	~ben	oh the disks are raid 1 so it's only 2tb 
2018-11-29 02:39:16	~ben	on the 64gb one
2018-11-29 02:39:34	~ben	that negates some of the read performance loss though
2018-11-29 03:29:55	amcclure	got it down to 11 gb and hopefully lower and lower soon
2018-11-29 03:30:15	amcclure	I'm very sorry for using up so much space for so long
2018-11-29 03:35:05	~ben	heh no worries
2018-11-29 03:35:21	~ben	just would be nice to know if you're going to use that much
2018-11-29 03:35:28	~ben	it was scary to see we were that low on space
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2018-11-29 03:43:56	slipyx	2spooky5me
2018-11-29 03:47:45	slipyx	.df
2018-11-29 03:47:51	slipyx	.uptime
2018-11-29 03:47:51	zaphod	 22:47:51 up 142 days,  1:35, 210 users,  load average: 2.14, 1.50, 1.33
2018-11-29 04:01:42	tomasino	u
2018-11-29 04:02:29	slipyx	w
2018-11-29 04:02:49	amcclure	u
2018-11-29 04:04:44	~ben	81gb free
2018-11-29 04:05:06	~ben	anyone opposed to me switching us to a hdd version of the same dedi?
2018-11-29 04:06:40	slipyx	so just ssd->hdd?
2018-11-29 04:08:09	~ben	ye
2018-11-29 04:08:14	~ben	2tb instead of 200gb
2018-11-29 04:08:32	slipyx	so slower but way more
2018-11-29 04:08:34	~ben	oooorrrrr 4tb but only 32gb ram
2018-11-29 04:08:36	slipyx	sounds good
2018-11-29 04:08:44	amcclure	sounds good
2018-11-29 04:08:45	~ben	i'm down to migrate at some point
2018-11-29 04:08:48	slipyx	oh yeah was gonna say id sacrifice some ram for tb
2018-11-29 04:08:54	amcclure	oh
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2018-11-29 04:36:24	deepend	migrate to OVH ben .. LMAO  (sorry felt I should bug you more about it) :P
2018-11-29 04:36:51	~ben	lol you always bug about that ;)
2018-11-29 04:37:32	deepend	yep.. ovh you could have your cake and eat it to. lol
2018-11-29 04:37:50	~ben	is there a setup fee?
2018-11-29 04:38:03	~ben	i'd like to keep the primary ip too...
2018-11-29 04:38:08	deepend	sometimes
2018-11-29 04:38:31	deepend	depends on thier mood i think..LMAO and what direction the wind is blowing
2018-11-29 04:40:57	deepend	57.99CDN would get you 32GB ram and 3x2TB drives
2018-11-29 04:41:45	deepend	so 47.99 US
2018-11-29 04:41:59	deepend	switched from the canadian site to the US site
2018-11-29 04:43:01	~ben	i can get 32gb ram and 2x4tb for 35eur
2018-11-29 04:43:13	~ben	or 64gb ram and 2x2tb for 35eur
2018-11-29 04:45:14	deepend	guess I just like having closer servers with enterprise hardware.. I would never lease a server with consumer hardware to run servers on :D  but thats just me :)
2018-11-29 04:46:17	~ben	ah i suppose that's fair
2018-11-29 04:47:21	deepend	EX61  get this one if your moving within hetzner.. lol  2x6TB
2018-11-29 04:48:00	deepend	and is a i7 8700 which is 6 core 12 thread
2018-11-29 04:48:14	slipyx	only 6
2018-11-29 04:48:16	slipyx	psh
2018-11-29 04:48:28	deepend	better then the 4 core 8 thread he has right now
2018-11-29 04:49:53	~ben	i might be able to be convinced
2018-11-29 04:50:21	deepend	since even in raid you'd have 6TB lol
2018-11-29 04:50:24	~ben	might as well do the PX61 though
2018-11-29 04:50:33	slipyx	give him some more wine
2018-11-29 04:50:53	~ben	that's actual server hardward instead of desktop i7s
2018-11-29 04:51:03	deepend	the 6 core i7 would be a better chip then the 4 core xeon
2018-11-29 04:51:25	~ben	tru
2018-11-29 04:51:38	~ben	PX92 
2018-11-29 04:51:40	deepend	especially if your not like me and prefer enterprise hardware. lol
2018-11-29 04:51:40	~ben	:o
2018-11-29 04:51:54	~ben	8 core 16 thread
2018-11-29 04:52:00	~ben	128gb ram
2018-11-29 04:52:01	deepend	you can buy me that one and I'll give you mine LMAO
2018-11-29 04:52:13	deepend	that price doesn't include storage tho
2018-11-29 04:52:37	slipyx	2.3gbps too right
2018-11-29 04:53:19	deepend	AX60-SSD>. if storage wasn't so important.. lol 
2018-11-29 04:53:25	slipyx	https://i.imgur.com/A1dBNwM.png such a waste
2018-11-29 04:53:53	slipyx	23:53:38 up 58 days, 29 min,  5 users,  load average: 0.18, 0.24, 0.29
2018-11-29 04:54:20	deepend	where is that connection
2018-11-29 04:54:38	slipyx	ctrl-c.club
2018-11-29 04:54:50	slipyx	NY
2018-11-29 04:54:59	slipyx	thats why i put my quake server there lol
2018-11-29 04:55:08	~ben	oh wow
2018-11-29 04:55:13	~ben	it's DO
2018-11-29 04:55:44	~ben	AX60-SSD would be double the storage we have now
2018-11-29 04:55:51	deepend	http://www.speedtest.net/result/7838255107.png  welp.. not the best. but i am getting what I pay for lol
2018-11-29 04:56:25	deepend	you only have 2 500GB ssd in that server?
2018-11-29 04:57:00	~ben	2x250
2018-11-29 04:57:07	deepend	oh wow
2018-11-29 04:57:16	~ben	/dev/md2        202G  111G   81G  58% /
2018-11-29 04:57:19	deepend	so it would be better.. and if you didn't run them in raid you'd be in good shape
2018-11-29 04:57:30	~ben	didn't really have a choice
2018-11-29 04:58:07	deepend	it doesn't give you a choice??
2018-11-29 04:58:13	~ben	oh wait
2018-11-29 04:58:21	~ben	i just said to preinstall ubuntu
2018-11-29 04:58:38	~ben	and i think you can configure it if you don't use the preinstall images
2018-11-29 04:59:41	deepend	ovh you can configure and use the preinstall images.. :P 
2018-11-29 05:00:23	~ben	uuuf
2018-11-29 05:00:46	~ben	uh oh soyoustart has black friday sales on still
2018-11-29 05:01:28	~ben	lies 
2018-11-29 05:01:33	~ben	the homepage says there are
2018-11-29 05:01:39	~ben	but when you click it they're gone
2018-11-29 05:02:33	deepend	doesn't mention black friday on mine anymore
2018-11-29 05:06:22	~ben	heh 
2018-11-29 05:06:34	~ben	it does on /us/
2018-11-29 05:07:14	deepend	i switched to /us/ and it didnt there either.. clear your cache maybe? 
2018-11-29 05:08:12	deepend	another datacenter I've used offers 12 core/24 threads, 72GB memory 2x480G SSD's and 5 ips included for 89 US.. lol  too bad price wasn't a bit lower
2018-11-29 05:09:50	~ben	wow that's almost worth it
2018-11-29 05:10:00	deepend	its not bad for sure
2018-11-29 05:10:31	deepend	isn't unlimited transfer tho.. not that  a person would use the transfer they offer tho
2018-11-29 05:11:28	~ben	lol right
2018-11-29 05:11:29	deepend	100TB transfer included
2018-11-29 05:11:32	~ben	oh boy
2018-11-29 05:11:34	~ben	yeah 
2018-11-29 05:11:40	~ben	hetzner had 30tb before it was unlimited
2018-11-29 05:11:45	~ben	egress only though
2018-11-29 05:11:51	~ben	ingress is not counted towards that
2018-11-29 05:12:04	~ben	i doubt we've used more than a tb 
2018-11-29 05:12:17	deepend	i get 55 ping to datacenter .. they are located in kansas
2018-11-29 05:12:24	deepend	kansis city
2018-11-29 05:12:31	~ben	kansas city is in missouri
2018-11-29 05:12:33	~ben	lol
2018-11-29 05:12:50	deepend	yep..
2018-11-29 05:12:52	deepend	http://nocix.speedtest.net
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2018-11-29 05:13:33	~ben	i mean i'm getting my full speed there
2018-11-29 05:14:00	~ben	113/12
2018-11-29 05:14:07	deepend	i had a good experience with them beofre the name change.. was with them for like 2 years
2018-11-29 05:14:13	~ben	nice
2018-11-29 05:14:17	deepend	i get 231/ 20
2018-11-29 05:18:35	ahriman	i got a nasty email from ramnode when one of my tor relays used 1.6TB in a month
2018-11-29 05:18:48	ahriman	well i say nasty, it was more like
2018-11-29 05:18:57	ahriman	"Hey watch out or we're gonna cut you off"
2018-11-29 05:19:10	ahriman	because that vps was limited to 2TB
2018-11-29 05:19:32	ahriman	[was backscrolling there]
2018-11-29 05:19:40	slipyx	thats a lot of irc
2018-11-29 05:23:18	~ben	rip
2018-11-29 05:24:13	dokuja	Isn't Kansas City in KS and MO?
2018-11-29 05:29:20	~ben	might be both?
2018-11-29 05:29:22	~ben	lol
2018-11-29 05:29:29	~ben	aewens would know
2018-11-29 05:29:34	~ben	he's in kansas city, mo
2018-11-29 06:14:56	~ben	https://ttm.sh/bL.png
2018-11-29 06:15:03	~ben	someone convince me to not do it
2018-11-29 06:15:35	 *	slipyx pours ben another glass
2018-11-29 06:15:49	~ben	:x
2018-11-29 06:17:40	deepend	d.o.n.t.d.o.i.t....umm but but but.. LMAO
2018-11-29 06:18:46	deepend	^ *wink*don't do it*wink*... that better? LOL
2018-11-29 06:19:30	fosslinux	how much is team atm
2018-11-29 06:20:11	deepend	alot less then that
2018-11-29 06:20:30	deepend	everyone send him 1 dollar.. problem solved
2018-11-29 06:20:55	~ben	current box is 36eur
2018-11-29 06:21:14	slipyx	just mine bitcoin on the new box to make up
2018-11-29 06:21:26	~ben	pretty sure that's against tos
2018-11-29 06:21:34	~ben	wait no
2018-11-29 06:21:41	~ben	that's only against tos for their VPSs
2018-11-29 06:21:55	deepend	dedis are ok cuz your not sharing resources
2018-11-29 06:22:27	deepend	but obviously u couldn't mine bitcoin with it.. but there are coins you could mine with that type of hardware
2018-11-29 06:22:32	~ben	yeah no gpu
2018-11-29 06:23:00	slipyx	weve seen what happens with that
2018-11-29 06:23:01	~ben	could do a nextcloud instance and everything
2018-11-29 06:23:06	deepend	bitcoin isn;t evne realistically doable with a gpu either.. the dificulty of the network is too high
2018-11-29 06:23:09	~ben	thunix 2.0 no thanks
2018-11-29 06:27:08	deepend	but..
2018-11-29 06:27:39	deepend	you could get 4x2TB 64GB of ram and newer version of same processor 6c/12thread for 83.99 on soyoustart
2018-11-29 06:28:07	deepend	its not 128GB of ram.. but has enough of everything else
2018-11-29 06:28:29	deepend	or 2x480GB for same price
2018-11-29 06:29:36	deepend	and would offer better pings. .. only other downside is setup fee :(
2018-11-29 06:29:48	~ben	auction servers don't have a setup feeeeeeeee
2018-11-29 06:30:26	deepend	yep i know. just making suggestions :)  since I'm sure 128G of  ram and 100 bucks ish US isn't always an easy pill to swallow :) 
2018-11-29 06:31:33	~ben	don't really have anything that would use the ram properly 
2018-11-29 06:31:35	~ben	lol
2018-11-29 06:31:38	deepend	well the 128G of ram isnt hard to swallow. the price might be. setup fees are only one time thing.. so thats like 3 months of the difference in price between the OVH and hetzner option
2018-11-29 06:32:01	~ben	right
2018-11-29 06:32:19	~ben	oooooor i could just stay with what we have
2018-11-29 06:32:23	~ben	and turn on disk quota
2018-11-29 06:32:31	deepend	always option yup :) 
2018-11-29 06:32:55	~ben	there's also the hdd version of the same box
2018-11-29 06:33:05	~ben	ugh but setup fee again
2018-11-29 06:33:39	deepend	everyone.. send 1 dollar via paypal.. to ben@tilde.team.. show some love ..LMAO jk
2018-11-29 06:34:21	~ben	lol
2018-11-29 06:34:33	deepend	jk unless you do.. lol :P
2018-11-29 06:34:36	~ben	my total hosting costs come out to about $50/month
2018-11-29 06:34:47	~ben	including a couple VPSs
2018-11-29 06:34:57	~ben	this would at least double it
2018-11-29 06:35:14	deepend	with 128GB of ram you could just ditch all the other machines and us some sort of virtualization on the big ass server
2018-11-29 06:35:21	~ben	ture
2018-11-29 06:35:23	~ben	true
2018-11-29 06:35:38	~ben	doesn't come with extra ips though
2018-11-29 06:35:59	deepend	hell even with 64 still doable.. shutty part is.. now I"m tempted to switch my server to the 6c/12t server.. 
2018-11-29 06:36:03	~ben	  One additional IP with costs (Price (monthly): € 0.84 / Setup (once): € 0.00)
2018-11-29 06:36:05	~ben	  One failover IP (Price (monthly): € 4.20 / Setup (once): € 0.00)
2018-11-29 06:36:07	~ben	  One additional subnet /29 (Price (monthly): € 6.72 / Setup (once): € 0.00)
2018-11-29 06:36:09	~ben	  One additional subnet /28 (Price (monthly): € 13.45 / Setup (once): € 0.00)
2018-11-29 06:36:11	~ben	  One additional subnet /27 (Price (monthly): € 26.89 / Setup (once): € 0.00)
2018-11-29 06:36:25	~ben	i guess i could do a /29
2018-11-29 06:36:54	deepend	or goto ovh.. and only pay 1.5 upfront per ip and no monthly fees after that
2018-11-29 06:36:58	~ben	and i'd need to figure out a slick way to handle vms
2018-11-29 06:37:01	deepend	or is it 3.5
2018-11-29 06:37:03	deepend	cant' remember
2018-11-29 06:37:05	deepend	lol
2018-11-29 06:37:17	deepend	virtualbox does me well
2018-11-29 06:37:20	~ben	should grabbed on on blackfriday sale
2018-11-29 06:37:22	deepend	so far
2018-11-29 06:37:35	slipyx	just buy 128 pi's and host from home
2018-11-29 06:37:51	~ben	would only need 127 pi's lol
2018-11-29 06:38:00	slipyx	youll get more cores too
2018-11-29 06:38:10	deepend	I use virtualbox with phpvirtualbox for ease of management. 
2018-11-29 06:39:42	~ben	never heard of that
2018-11-29 06:40:08	deepend	it works pretty good. 
2018-11-29 06:40:39	deepend	i'll send you a screenshot of my server
2018-11-29 06:41:06	~ben	i've been using lxd as you've probably heard me talk about
2018-11-29 06:41:15	~ben	networking is the annoying part
2018-11-29 07:01:33	fosslinux	ben: i think you should just do the ssd->hdd  - don't sacrifice the ram
2018-11-29 07:01:47	~ben	ok
2018-11-29 07:02:21	fosslinux	ben: dont get it its not worth the price
2018-11-29 07:02:33	fosslinux	just reading scroll back
2018-11-29 07:02:37	fosslinux	and making comments
2018-11-29 07:03:07	~ben	lol
2018-11-29 07:03:11	~ben	i might try it for a month and see
2018-11-29 07:03:15	~ben	if it's worth it
2018-11-29 07:03:38	fosslinux	i don't see why it wouldn't
2018-11-29 07:03:44	fosslinux	the only issue may be speed
2018-11-29 07:03:53	fosslinux	is there one with dual hdd/ssd?
2018-11-29 07:06:46	deepend	speed is a non issue. yourtilde isn't slow by any means and I do not have SSDs in the server.. 
2018-11-29 07:06:55	fosslinux	ok
2018-11-29 07:07:25	~ben	yeah most stuff isn't i/o heavy
2018-11-29 07:07:31	fosslinux	saying that though, i migrated from hdd to ssd on my laptop and up to 5x faster startup etc... but i suppose thats not a problem for a ~
2018-11-29 07:07:32	~ben	and anything else will be cached in ram
2018-11-29 07:07:44	~ben	desktop hardware is different
2018-11-29 07:07:56	deepend	hell yourtildes configurtaion doesn't even prefer I/O speed.. since the drive is being mirrored between 4 drives at the moment..
2018-11-29 07:08:16	fosslinux	uhhhh why
2018-11-29 07:08:25	fosslinux	4 seems a lot
2018-11-29 07:08:33	deepend	bad planning(default configuration)
2018-11-29 07:08:33	~ben	raid
2018-11-29 07:08:50	fosslinux	are you using raid deepend?
2018-11-29 07:09:12	deepend	yes. 
2018-11-29 07:09:25	fosslinux	what type?
2018-11-29 07:09:52	deepend	I may in the near future modify the hard drive configuration. RAID1
2018-11-29 07:10:27	deepend	OVH installation scripts automatically do a RAID 1 configuration on all servers by default.. I forgot to change it when I setup this server 
2018-11-29 07:10:30	fosslinux	raid 1 between four drives??????????
2018-11-29 07:10:37	~ben	lol
2018-11-29 07:10:40	~ben	yes why not
2018-11-29 07:10:42	fosslinux	tbh never heard of such a thing 
2018-11-29 07:10:48	fosslinux	lol
2018-11-29 07:10:57	fosslinux	i see why you might
2018-11-29 07:11:05	~ben	you can raid1 between as many drives as you like
2018-11-29 07:11:14	deepend	I'd almost rather raid 5 or something like that.. hell i think raid0 would be fun :P 
2018-11-29 07:11:44	fosslinux	raid 6 would be best here i think
2018-11-29 07:11:53	deepend	raid1 is pointless.. usually when hardware fails in raid 1 it ends up corrupting the whole pile of mirrored drives.. so it really means nothing
2018-11-29 07:11:56	fosslinux	raid 0 .... hmmmmm
2018-11-29 07:12:38	fosslinux	deepend: "usually when hardware fails in raid 1 it ends up corrupting the whole pile of mirrored drives" huh? i don't think so
2018-11-29 07:12:39	deepend	raid 0 would sure improve the performance
2018-11-29 07:12:58	fosslinux	raid 10
2018-11-29 07:13:13	fosslinux	brb
2018-11-29 07:13:24	deepend	unless the drive fails completely.. like literally stops reading/writing all at once.. which isnt the more common failure.. your asking for trouble with a raid 1
2018-11-29 07:14:00	deepend	but more often it ends up being a cache failure .. which would cause corruption.
2018-11-29 07:14:53	deepend	I have 6 different drives here. all enterprise SATA drives.. all with cache issues.  
2018-11-29 07:16:52	fosslinux	cache failure?
2018-11-29 07:17:01	deepend	yes
2018-11-29 07:17:07	deepend	the drive cache failed
2018-11-29 07:17:18	fosslinux	i know what you mean
2018-11-29 07:17:22	fosslinux	the cache for raid?
2018-11-29 07:17:26	fosslinux	or the cache for the drive?
2018-11-29 07:17:36	~ben	sounds like drive cache
2018-11-29 07:17:38	deepend	the cache built on the drive itself
2018-11-29 07:17:59	fosslinux	right
2018-11-29 07:18:08	fosslinux	that would cause corruption
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2018-11-29 07:19:27	deepend	cache issues account for 100% of all the failures I've seen in many years.  Ive had 0 head failures
2018-11-29 07:19:27	fosslinux	if i remember correctly however, you can mirror the drive cache
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2018-11-29 07:19:59	fosslinux	wth?
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2018-11-29 07:21:34	deepend	probably due to heat tho.. since the systems i've been dealing with the company wont spend the money to even cool or even put active venting in the server room.. so they run in an oven.. :S  so they just go thru drives like they are free LOL   
2018-11-29 07:21:57	~ben	ouch
2018-11-29 07:22:14	deepend	and I laugh everytime I have to replace drives lol
2018-11-29 07:22:43	fosslinux	lol
2018-11-29 07:23:23	deepend	anyways.. i need to head to bed.. nite every1 :) 
2018-11-29 07:24:28	fosslinux	cya
2018-11-29 07:24:35	fosslinux	ben: just testing my signup script for tildelinux
2018-11-29 07:24:50	~ben	i should probably slep too
2018-11-29 07:24:57	fosslinux	any idea when i try to send a post request to tilde.team/signup
2018-11-29 07:25:07	fosslinux	301 moved permanently
2018-11-29 07:25:19	~ben	?
2018-11-29 07:25:29	~ben	shouldn't be a 301
2018-11-29 07:25:30	fosslinux	posting output
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	Which tilde would you like to sign up to?
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	Please DO NOT sign up to a tilde you already have an account on.
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	1) tilde.team
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	1
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	Please input your desired username (numbers and lowercase letters only, no spaces).
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	ignore_please
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	Please input your email to contact you with account info.
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	please@ignore.this.request
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	What interests you about tilde.team?
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	please ignore this request i'm just testing the script
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	Please input the path to your SSH public key.
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	/home/styler/ignore
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	<html>
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	<head><title>301 Moved Permanently</title></head>
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	<body bgcolor="white">
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	<center><h1>301 Moved Permanently</h1></center>
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	<hr><center>nginx/1.14.0 (Ubuntu)</center>
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	</body>
2018-11-29 07:25:32	fosslinux	</html>
2018-11-29 07:25:48	fosslinux	    curl --data "username=\"username\"&email=\"email\"&interest=\"interest\"&sshkey=\"pubkey\"" https://tilde.team/signup\
2018-11-29 07:25:55	fosslinux	^ thats the releavant line of code
2018-11-29 07:26:02	fosslinux	no \
2018-11-29 07:26:05	fosslinux	at the end
2018-11-29 07:26:11	fosslinux	    curl --data "username=\"username\"&email=\"email\"&interest=\"interest\"&sshkey=\"pubkey\"" https://tilde.team/signup
2018-11-29 07:26:29	~ben	needs to be form encoded
2018-11-29 07:26:31	~ben	not query params
2018-11-29 07:26:36	fosslinux	wat
2018-11-29 07:26:37	fosslinux	ok
2018-11-29 07:26:44	fosslinux	are you going to bed
2018-11-29 07:26:55	~ben	curl -F'field=val'
2018-11-29 07:26:56	~ben	etc
2018-11-29 07:26:58	~ben	also
2018-11-29 07:27:02	~ben	that's the wrong form target
2018-11-29 07:27:10	~ben	wait
2018-11-29 07:27:13	~ben	maybe it's not
2018-11-29 07:27:15	~ben	i don't remember
2018-11-29 07:27:23	~ben	i pulled some of the logic there into a different file
2018-11-29 07:27:27	fosslinux	ok
2018-11-29 07:27:34	fosslinux	https://davidwalsh.name/curl-post-file
2018-11-29 07:27:49	~ben	https://tildegit.org/team/site/src/branch/master/signup/index.php
2018-11-29 07:28:11	~ben	yeah that looks right
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2018-11-29 07:30:36	fosslinux	    curl -X POST -F "username=\"username\"" -F "email=\"email\"" -F "interest=\"interest\"" -F "sshkey=\"pubkey\"" https://tilde.team/signup
2018-11-29 07:30:39	fosslinux	da f?
2018-11-29 07:31:00	~ben	yeah that looks ok
2018-11-29 07:31:16	~ben	might want a trailing slash at the end of https://tilde.team/signup/ but tha'ts nitpicky
2018-11-29 07:31:21	fosslinux	it still says 301
2018-11-29 07:32:07	fosslinux	aah working now
2018-11-29 07:32:16	fosslinux	it needed the trailing slash
2018-11-29 07:32:35	~ben	ah maybe try_files does the 301 internally
2018-11-29 07:32:42	~ben	you can add the -L option to follow redirects
2018-11-29 07:32:52	fosslinux	when you have a chance can you see if the request came through?
2018-11-29 07:33:21	~ben	haven't gotten the email
2018-11-29 07:33:30	fosslinux	how long it normally take?
2018-11-29 07:34:13	~ben	less than a second
2018-11-29 07:34:44	fosslinux	ahhh
2018-11-29 07:34:46	~ben	ope
2018-11-29 07:34:48	~ben	there it oges
2018-11-29 07:34:50	fosslinux	ok i sent a request figures the issue
2018-11-29 07:34:51	~ben	s/og/go
2018-11-29 07:34:51	sedbot	<ben> there it goes
2018-11-29 07:34:55	fosslinux	lemme try again
2018-11-29 07:35:30	~ben	forwarded it to you
2018-11-29 07:35:30	fosslinux	ok
2018-11-29 07:35:45	fosslinux	you should have got two so far have you?
2018-11-29 07:35:50	~ben	just 1
2018-11-29 07:36:11	fosslinux	oh
2018-11-29 07:36:17	fosslinux	that was me testing the webpage
2018-11-29 07:36:26	fosslinux	hmmmmmm
2018-11-29 07:37:06	~ben	probably some nonsense in here: https://tildegit.org/team/site/src/branch/master/signup/signup-handler.php
2018-11-29 07:37:17	fosslinux	ok
2018-11-29 07:37:18	fosslinux	thanks
2018-11-29 07:37:24	~ben	it's super goofy
2018-11-29 07:37:43	fosslinux	:P
2018-11-29 07:37:47	~ben	i'm not certain it would work from curl
2018-11-29 07:40:35	fosslinux	ok
2018-11-29 07:50:48	~ben	btw ahriman you can use php to redirect your page instead of meta http-equiv
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2018-11-29 07:51:35	ahriman	oh i just did that as a placeholder
2018-11-29 07:53:34	~ben	<?php header("location: <url here>"); die();
2018-11-29 08:00:57	~ben	ok actually time for bed
2018-11-29 08:00:59	~ben	night nerds
2018-11-29 08:01:17	dokuja	night
2018-11-29 08:03:15	ahriman	night
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2018-11-29 08:20:49	fosslinux	nite
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2018-11-29 09:05:16	slipyx	wonder if thats as bad as forgetting to tmux wget
2018-11-29 09:15:04	ahriman	lol
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2018-11-29 12:01:04	@cmccabe	good morning ~team
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2018-11-29 13:57:38	~ben	mornign!
2018-11-29 17:04:32	aewens	ben / dokuja: Yeah, KC overlaps in both Kansas and Missouri, but the MO part is where most of the "city" part is.
2018-11-29 17:04:44	~ben	ahhh
2018-11-29 17:13:13	tildebeast	hi all
2018-11-29 17:13:16	~ben	yo tildebeast 
2018-11-29 17:13:18	~ben	waddup
2018-11-29 17:13:25	tildebeast	hi ben
2018-11-29 17:13:35	tildebeast	i'm adding my bit to the profusion of static site generators :)
2018-11-29 17:13:42	~ben	ayyy nice
2018-11-29 17:13:53	~ben	those are fun to work on 
2018-11-29 17:14:05	~ben	i ordered a server from the hetzner auction last night
2018-11-29 17:14:14	~ben	suuuuper beeeeeeeeeeefy
2018-11-29 17:14:32	~ben	trying it out for a month (no contract terms) to see if it's worth moving ~team there
2018-11-29 17:15:51	tildebeast	nice. would love to splurge on a VPS sometime :)
2018-11-29 17:16:18	~ben	with this thing i could offer everyone their own vm
2018-11-29 17:16:20	~ben	lol
2018-11-29 17:16:23	~ben	128gb ram
2018-11-29 17:16:31	tildebeast	my script is a python jobbie inspired by ssg3, which does most but quite all i want
2018-11-29 17:16:36	~ben	12tb disk, 12 cores
2018-11-29 17:16:52	tildebeast	yowzer. that's not a server, it's a datacenter :O
2018-11-29 17:16:56	~ben	srsly
2018-11-29 17:17:02	~ben	90eur/mo
2018-11-29 17:17:04	~ben	like wtf
2018-11-29 17:17:20	tildebeast	well, if you've got the greenbacks for that then why not?
2018-11-29 17:17:39	~ben	probably not gonna be able to use it to its fullest lol
2018-11-29 17:18:12	tildebeast	room to breath on a server like that though
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2018-11-29 17:18:21	~ben	the major motivator was the lack of storage space on the current box
2018-11-29 17:18:29	tildebeast	how much is left here then?
2018-11-29 17:18:38	~ben	we were down to 25gb
2018-11-29 17:18:44	~ben	80 ish now
2018-11-29 17:18:53	~ben	but it has two 250gb ssds
2018-11-29 17:18:53	tildebeast	a mere bagatelle :)
2018-11-29 17:18:59	~ben	in raid 1
2018-11-29 17:19:10	tildebeast	is that actual bare metal then?
2018-11-29 17:19:17	~ben	software raid
2018-11-29 17:19:25	~ben	yeah, the current box is a dedi
2018-11-29 17:19:41	tildebeast	yup. i mistrust hardware raid as you're forever reliant on equivalent replacement parts
2018-11-29 17:19:48	~ben	and i didn't configure it properly when i ordered it
2018-11-29 17:19:53	tildebeast	whoops
2018-11-29 17:19:54	~ben	i don't really want raid 1 lol
2018-11-29 17:19:57	tildebeast	heh
2018-11-29 17:20:11	tildebeast	not so important if you run regular backups. you DO run regular backups, right? :D
2018-11-29 17:20:20	~ben	the preinstalled images automatically set up raid 1 for some reason
2018-11-29 17:20:22	~ben	yeah, hourly
2018-11-29 17:20:25	tildebeast	cool
2018-11-29 17:20:29	tildebeast	doing better than me then
2018-11-29 17:20:50	~ben	tarsnap++
2018-11-29 17:20:55	tildebeast	i have a mental cron job that backs up parts of my working data every n weeks :/
2018-11-29 17:21:00	tildebeast	or so
2018-11-29 17:21:02	~ben	lmao
2018-11-29 17:21:38	tildebeast	really need to get into borg or whatever, at least as far as my nas. from there maybe tarsnap or backblaze for the actual day-job stuff.
2018-11-29 17:21:57	~ben	tarsnap is crazy good a dedupe and compress
2018-11-29 17:22:31	tildebeast	currently 1 windows laptop, 2 linux laptops, various PIs, 1 freebsd server and 1 devuan nas machine here. running out of space above and below the desk :)
2018-11-29 17:22:39	tildebeast	and far too little of it is properly backed up
2018-11-29 17:22:44	~ben	lol srsly
2018-11-29 17:22:55	~ben	most of the stuff on my work machines are in git repos
2018-11-29 17:23:22	~ben	so i could lose one and not notice too much
2018-11-29 17:23:28	tildebeast	that's good if you're not working in honking great datasets per task. each ship log job runs from 3-10gb *input* data :/
2018-11-29 17:23:50	~ben	plus syncthing of other stuff on all my devices for access and redundancy
2018-11-29 17:23:58	~ben	lol no i'm not
2018-11-29 17:24:07	tildebeast	plus all the historical archives of my graphic design work -- catalogues, zillions of large photoshop files, 3d models, renders... :(
2018-11-29 17:24:18	~ben	oh god
2018-11-29 17:24:24	~ben	yeah i mostly work with plaintext
2018-11-29 17:25:25	tildebeast	i'm basically retiring from the graphic design side as it kills my eyes these days. so hopefully that lot can just be dumped in a coldstore somewhere. as for the rest i might just say "i'll keep it for up to 1 year. want it any longer, dear client, and you can pay for the storage."
2018-11-29 17:25:55	~ben	that's a totally reasonable policy
2018-11-29 17:26:11	tildebeast	would much rather work entirely with plaintext these days. much nicer. all my stories fit it in one tiny private git repo, five seconds tops to sync :)
2018-11-29 17:26:13	~ben	store it yourself! :P
2018-11-29 17:26:17	tildebeast	yup
2018-11-29 17:26:31	~ben	plaintext is incredibly efficient to store :D
2018-11-29 17:26:37	biglysmalls	ocould i bother someone for an invite to tilde.news for biglysmalls@tilde.team?
2018-11-29 17:26:39	tildebeast	very true
2018-11-29 17:26:44	~ben	sure thing biglysmalls 
2018-11-29 17:26:48	biglysmalls	thanks ben!
2018-11-29 17:27:07	~ben	sent
2018-11-29 17:27:45	tildebeast	have to vanish in a sec -- off to buy a 2nd-hand mechanical keyboard for the linux laptop. 
2018-11-29 17:28:07	~ben	ooo nice
2018-11-29 17:28:12	~ben	blue switches?
2018-11-29 17:29:12	tildebeast	dunno. cherry mx but i don't mind which as long as it's better than a laptop keyboard :) have a ducky zero with browns on my windows machine and it puts even the old dell laptops to shame
2018-11-29 17:29:29	tildebeast	something deafeningly clicky would be a bonus :D
2018-11-29 17:29:47	tildebeast	do you use one?
2018-11-29 17:30:43	~ben	i have a board with blues at work
2018-11-29 17:30:48	~ben	just to be extra obnoxious
2018-11-29 17:30:52	~ben	and reds at home
2018-11-29 17:32:17	jan6|	have a mic next to the keyboard, feeding into some speakers to make it even worse for others...
2018-11-29 17:32:29	jan6|	though I bet you're not that evil
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2018-11-29 17:32:59	~ben	evil enough to bring mx blues to work but not anything beyond that
2018-11-29 17:33:00	~ben	lol
2018-11-29 17:39:14	jan6|	just play typing sounds while you're not typing to look like you're writing all the time, really loudly ;p
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2018-11-29 19:35:37	fosslinux	ben: so what are you trying for a month? the expensive machine you showed us or the hdd machine?
2018-11-29 19:35:57	~ben	the 90euro one
2018-11-29 19:36:10	fosslinux	oooof
2018-11-29 19:36:16	fosslinux	thats damn expensive
2018-11-29 19:36:25	~ben	it's soooooo beefy tho
2018-11-29 19:36:30	fosslinux	true
2018-11-29 19:36:33	~ben	not that we need it
2018-11-29 19:36:38	fosslinux	^
2018-11-29 19:36:40	~ben	but I wanted to experience true power
2018-11-29 19:36:40	fosslinux	thats the point
2018-11-29 19:36:51	fosslinux	19:36:40              ~ben | but I wanted to experience true power
2018-11-29 19:36:52	fosslinux	lol
2018-11-29 19:37:04	~ben	128 GB ram sure feels like true power
2018-11-29 19:37:10	fosslinux	now lets just bruteforce xyz :P
2018-11-29 19:37:11	~ben	and 12 cores 
2018-11-29 19:37:15	~ben	and 12tb disk
2018-11-29 19:37:21	fosslinux	12 cores ghz?
2018-11-29 19:37:24	~ben	it's stupid
2018-11-29 19:37:27	~ben	3.5
2018-11-29 19:37:39	~ben	it's actual server hardware too
2018-11-29 19:37:56	fosslinux	tupid?
2018-11-29 19:38:42	~ben	tupid?
2018-11-29 19:38:45	fosslinux	whats stupid about that?
2018-11-29 19:38:51	fosslinux	sorry laggy connection
2018-11-29 19:38:58	~ben	nothing it's just Very Overkill
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2018-11-29 19:39:33	~ben	wb ahriman
2018-11-29 19:39:37	ahriman	thanks
2018-11-29 19:40:21	aewens	ben: 128GB of RAM is not true power. Having 4 CPUs each with 20 cores running on 1.5TB is true power.
2018-11-29 19:40:39	~ben	/feels/ like true power
2018-11-29 19:40:46	~ben	at least for mere mortals like me
2018-11-29 19:41:07	fosslinux	da f aewens
2018-11-29 19:41:17	fosslinux	where do you have that?
2018-11-29 19:41:36	aewens	fosslinux: I work at a company that sells super computers, so I have that a few feet from the desk I'm at right now.
2018-11-29 19:41:58	fosslinux	my dad has a machine at his work
2018-11-29 19:42:01	~ben	how much crypto have you mined
2018-11-29 19:42:07	~ben	/s
2018-11-29 19:42:27	fosslinux	512gb ram, 4 cpus 16 cores, 4tb ssd
2018-11-29 19:42:42	aewens	ben: I've considered doing it for a few seconds when I was testing out pre-production hardware from Intel, but then decided against it xD
2018-11-29 19:42:49	fosslinux	boy would i love to get my hands on one of those computers but $$$
2018-11-29 19:42:54	~ben	probly a good call
2018-11-29 19:43:04	~ben	I don't even know what to do with 128 gb
2018-11-29 19:43:56	aewens	Some people use it for fast processing of big data since you can cache it all in memory
2018-11-29 19:47:50	fosslinux	^
2018-11-29 19:47:56	jan6|	do some low-key mining, like 50% efficiency and mining litecoin, or something 
2018-11-29 19:48:19	 *	jan6| skedadles
2018-11-29 19:49:27	~ben	i don't have data that big
2018-11-29 19:49:30	~ben	but that's fair
2018-11-29 19:49:52	fosslinux	ben: can you jump on #!, theres something wrong with the emails
2018-11-29 19:50:25	~ben	i saw
2018-11-29 19:50:33	~ben	i don't have my yubikey
2018-11-29 19:50:36	~ben	i'll check later
2018-11-29 19:54:44	tildebeast	heh. the 2nd-hand keyboard is almost new!
2018-11-29 19:56:36	fosslinux	?
2018-11-29 19:56:43	fosslinux	o/ tildebeast
2018-11-29 19:57:19	~ben	nice
2018-11-29 19:57:40	tildebeast	fosslinux: was telling ben earlier that i'd had to pop out to collect a mechanical keyboard
2018-11-29 19:57:45	fosslinux	ah
2018-11-29 19:57:53	~ben	did you find out what kind of switches it has?
2018-11-29 19:58:26	tildebeast	paid about a quarter of retail. doubt they've even used it more than a couple of times as it's nearly spotless
2018-11-29 19:58:30	tildebeast	basic mx reds
2018-11-29 19:58:41	tildebeast	but still makes a satisfying noise :)
2018-11-29 19:58:46	~ben	nice
2018-11-29 19:58:52	~ben	successful deal
2018-11-29 19:58:58	tildebeast	yup
2018-11-29 19:59:09	tildebeast	worth driving down a few hair-raising wet dark country lanes :D
2018-11-29 19:59:42	tildebeast	ben: did you decide against getting that monster server?
2018-11-29 19:59:49	~ben	lol no
2018-11-29 19:59:53	~ben	i ordered it last night
2018-11-29 19:59:54	~ben	:P
2018-11-29 19:59:54	tildebeast	phew :D
2018-11-29 19:59:56	tildebeast	heh
2018-11-29 20:00:06	~ben	trying to decide how to allocate the ample assets
2018-11-29 20:00:23	fosslinux	ie what to do with it
2018-11-29 20:00:38	tildebeast	at least 75% needs to be allocated to gopher-based services of course ;)
2018-11-29 20:00:42	fosslinux	lol
2018-11-29 20:00:52	fosslinux	as if that is possible with the lightweightness of gopher
2018-11-29 20:01:03	tildebeast	good point :)
2018-11-29 20:01:11	fosslinux	running 1000 gophernicus servers
2018-11-29 20:01:15	fosslinux	:P
2018-11-29 20:01:23	fosslinux	and one apache server to eat up the rest :PPP
2018-11-29 20:01:29	tildebeast	thinking of making my leetle tiny static site generator do gophermaps etc too
2018-11-29 20:01:37	fosslinux	yes yes
2018-11-29 20:01:41	fosslinux	that would be gr8
2018-11-29 20:01:48	fosslinux	anyway gtg for school cya :D
2018-11-29 20:01:48	tildebeast	only one server for apache? steady on :)
2018-11-29 20:01:53	tildebeast	bye for now fosslinux 
2018-11-29 20:02:17	~ben	but i did learn that i goofed up the initial config of the current ~tea mbox
2018-11-29 20:02:31	tildebeast	~tea??
2018-11-29 20:03:05	~ben	s/tea m/team /
2018-11-29 20:03:05	sedbot	<ben> but i did learn that i goofed up the initial config of the current ~team box
2018-11-29 20:03:18	tildebeast	aaaarh
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2018-11-29 20:03:57	tildebeast	what went wrong? not that there isn't limitless scope to goof when it comes to mail configs
2018-11-29 20:04:09	~ben	oh no, i'm referring to the raid config for the disks
2018-11-29 20:04:18	~ben	mailserver is perfectly fine
2018-11-29 20:04:20	tildebeast	ah, right
2018-11-29 20:04:23	~ben	10/10 on mail-tester.com
2018-11-29 20:04:31	tildebeast	what are you using as a mailserver?
2018-11-29 20:04:39	~ben	postfix+dovecot+spamassassin
2018-11-29 20:04:58	~ben	hetzner's premade images default to raid 1
2018-11-29 20:05:08	~ben	if you boot to rescue mode you can customize that setup
2018-11-29 20:05:08	tildebeast	if you're giving lessons let me know. the exact combo i want to learn about :)
2018-11-29 20:05:26	~ben	heh i just helped tomasino get cosmic.voyage's mailserver up laste night
2018-11-29 20:05:32	tildebeast	i guess raid1 makes sense with 2 identical drives
2018-11-29 20:05:38	~ben	yeah but we need the space
2018-11-29 20:05:43	~ben	plus i already do backups
2018-11-29 20:05:48	tildebeast	thanks for the reminder. need to start doing some logs for cosmic.voyage
2018-11-29 20:05:56	tildebeast	true
2018-11-29 20:06:02	~ben	if u need help with postfix/dovecot/etc lmk
2018-11-29 20:06:08	tildebeast	certainly will
2018-11-29 20:06:16	~ben	gonna run your own?
2018-11-29 20:06:16	tildebeast	the books are a little intimidating
2018-11-29 20:06:19	tildebeast	thinking about it
2018-11-29 20:06:38	~ben	it's a good learning experience
2018-11-29 20:06:54	~ben	i use my @tilde.team address as my primary address so it's good dogfooding
2018-11-29 20:06:55	tildebeast	on a test domain to begin with, then to migrate my 2 personal domains to it by the time my current cloud hosting package expires (2021? :D )
2018-11-29 20:07:05	~ben	better incentive for me to maintain it :P
2018-11-29 20:07:08	tildebeast	absolutely
2018-11-29 20:07:19	tildebeast	pratice what you preach etc
2018-11-29 20:07:23	~ben	https://tilde.team/wiki/?page=email
2018-11-29 20:07:35	~ben	https://tilde.team/wiki/?page=domains
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2018-11-29 20:07:52	~ben	all of the domains work for receiving mail here 
2018-11-29 20:07:54	~ben	lol
2018-11-29 20:07:59	tildebeast	nice. can you pick up ~team emails from an external machine?
2018-11-29 20:08:07	~ben	yeah, that's what dovecot is for
2018-11-29 20:08:09	~ben	imap
2018-11-29 20:08:15	tildebeast	shows how much i know :D
2018-11-29 20:08:18	~ben	settings are on that wiki page
2018-11-29 20:08:26	tildebeast	will give it a try
2018-11-29 20:08:30	~ben	or if your client does autoconfig it should Just Work
2018-11-29 20:08:40	~ben	(thunderbird is the only one i've tested that with)
2018-11-29 20:08:59	tildebeast	I've seen 'Just Works' not working so many times, but then that's usually with some crappy Exchange reseller ...
2018-11-29 20:09:33	~ben	heh it really just depends on whether the client looks at autoconfig.domain/autoconfig.xml
2018-11-29 20:09:35	~ben	or whatever it is
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2018-11-29 20:52:20	tildebeast	i just get a sinking feeling every time another client tells me about their shiny new hosted Exchange deal :)
2018-11-29 20:53:52	~ben	:/
2018-11-29 20:54:23	tildebeast	how hard was it to get postfix set up properly?
2018-11-29 20:54:36	~ben	mmmm
2018-11-29 20:54:43	~ben	medium-hard
2018-11-29 20:54:50	tildebeast	fair enough
2018-11-29 20:56:41	tildebeast	reckon it might be worth a try on my freebsd box sometime with a 'spare' domain
2018-11-29 20:56:52	~ben	even just a subdomain
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2018-11-29 20:57:44	tildebeast	oh, that's a good idea. is it possible to do mx records for subdomains then?
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2018-11-29 20:58:09	tildebeast	wb ahriman 
2018-11-29 20:58:12	~ben	yeah absolutely
2018-11-29 20:58:18	ahriman	thanks
2018-11-29 20:59:13	tildebeast	i'll look into that then
2018-11-29 21:00:38	tildebeast	oh, i see. an A record for the subdomain and an MX record pointing at that...
2018-11-29 21:00:58	~ben	mx can point anywhere that resolves to the right machine
2018-11-29 21:02:31	tildebeast	i saw something about rDNS too so will have to read up on that
2018-11-29 21:02:59	~ben	oh yeah rDNS is rather important too
2018-11-29 21:03:11	~ben	spf, dmarc, and dkim too
2018-11-29 21:04:00	tildebeast	yikes
2018-11-29 21:08:02	~ben	spf and dmarc are simple txt records 
2018-11-29 21:08:14	~ben	dkim requires a milter like opendkim
2018-11-29 21:08:34	~ben	probably want dovecot sieve and spamd or spamassassin too
2018-11-29 21:08:36	~ben	oof
2018-11-29 21:08:38	~ben	it's a lot of stuff
2018-11-29 21:09:05	tildebeast	maybe one for the christmas vacation!
2018-11-29 21:10:01	~ben	could just be an evening
2018-11-29 21:11:13	tildebeast	not at the speed of my cogitation :)
2018-11-29 21:12:04	~ben	heh
2018-11-29 21:12:14	~ben	i wouldn't mind walking you through it
2018-11-29 21:14:49	tildebeast	ok. i've a lot to get through over the next week or two but will definitely take you up on that
2018-11-29 21:14:54	tildebeast	thanks
2018-11-29 21:14:58	~ben	lol ok :P
2018-11-29 21:15:01	~ben	np
2018-11-29 21:16:34	tildebeast	also have to get my head around gopher urls for this ssg i'm writing
2018-11-29 21:18:02	~ben	oh boy
2018-11-29 21:18:04	~ben	yeah
2018-11-29 21:18:10	~ben	the /1/ or /0/ is vital
2018-11-29 21:50:49	dokuja	It denotes file type
2018-11-29 22:33:58	~ben	yup :)
2018-11-30 00:20:57	amcclure	hello
2018-11-30 00:26:23	ahriman	Hey there
2018-11-30 00:42:42	deepend	hey everyone :D
2018-11-30 01:58:06	ubergeek	heyo ya'll
2018-11-30 01:58:43	cdmnky	hello
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2018-11-30 02:03:13	tomasino	deepend: you're up!
2018-11-30 02:03:45	deepend	i am occasionally
2018-11-30 02:04:02	deepend	was listening to your stream but had to turn it off :(
2018-11-30 02:04:05	tomasino	hah, don't you have your show now?
2018-11-30 02:04:25	tomasino	i finished 2 minutes late because my outro didn't trigger on time
2018-11-30 02:04:30	tomasino	but i though you followed me
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2018-11-30 02:05:24	cdmnky	at least my wifi stayed on for the last half of the show lol
2018-11-30 02:05:28	deepend	i do monday wednesday and friday.. kinda missed the last week worth tho.. been distracted lately.. and the time change messed things up
2018-11-30 02:06:11	tomasino	ahha
2018-11-30 02:06:13	tomasino	okay!
2018-11-30 02:06:44	tomasino	it's friday, you know?
2018-11-30 02:06:47	tomasino	UTC
2018-11-30 02:06:52	slipyx	LIE
2018-11-30 02:07:09	deepend	unfortunately i dont live in UTC :( lol
2018-11-30 02:07:23	tomasino	someone should correct the schedule on the website
2018-11-30 02:07:33	cdmnky	I'm tempted to just put a second clock on the bar with UTC
2018-11-30 02:07:47	tomasino	i have UTC next to my local in my tmux status line
2018-11-30 02:12:38	deepend	noice.. whats wrong with the schedule?
2018-11-30 02:17:08	~ben	utc in statusbar++
2018-11-30 02:17:12	~ben	v handy
2018-11-30 02:17:19	~ben	sry i missed ur show tomasino 
2018-11-30 02:17:24	~ben	just got home from trivia
2018-11-30 02:17:38	deepend	ben left us for trivia. sad lol :D
2018-11-30 02:17:39	tomasino	Np, ben
2018-11-30 02:17:45	tomasino	archive will be ready soon
2018-11-30 02:19:00	deepend	is already ready on tilderadio :D 
2018-11-30 02:19:14	deepend	https://archive.tilderadio.org/tomasino/
2018-11-30 02:19:20	~ben	heh
2018-11-30 02:19:35	~ben	nice
2018-11-30 02:20:45	tomasino	i'm trimming the silence from the start
2018-11-30 02:21:00	tomasino	i have to start the stream just a tiny bit early to make sure everything is good
2018-11-30 02:21:17	tomasino	but yeah, you've got my backup
2018-11-30 02:21:23	tomasino	and anonradio has one, but it cut off the outro halfway through
2018-11-30 02:55:54	~ben	theoretically archive.~radio shouldn't cut anything until you disconnect
2018-11-30 03:00:10	deepend	everything is theoretical
2018-11-30 03:00:12	deepend	:)
2018-11-30 03:03:53	~ben	oh
2018-11-30 03:03:55	~ben	i mean
2018-11-30 03:04:42	deepend	tildeverse = *.theoretical  :D
2018-11-30 03:07:12	tomasino	yeah
2018-11-30 03:07:15	tomasino	tilde's fine
2018-11-30 03:07:25	tomasino	anonradio cuts off archive when it switches stream
2018-11-30 03:07:47	deepend	yeah if anything tilderadios archive records a bit longer then it should :P 
2018-11-30 03:09:25	tomasino	:D
2018-11-30 03:09:38	tomasino	https://tomasino.tilde.team/cyoa/archives/201811290100_tomasino.mp3
2018-11-30 03:09:42	tomasino	tonight's stream
2018-11-30 03:09:51	tomasino	gotta update my RSS and anonradio.net archive page now
2018-11-30 03:10:52	~ben	nice
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2018-11-30 05:12:08	--	Topic for #team is "tilde.team specific stuff ~ https://tilde.team ~ https://tildegit.org/team"
2018-11-30 05:12:08	--	Topic set by ben on Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:31:56
2018-11-30 05:12:08	--	Channel #team: 95 nicks (5 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 90 normals)
2018-11-30 05:12:48	--	Channel created on Tue, 19 Jun 2018 18:12:30
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2018-11-30 06:46:14	fosslinux	ben: could you possibly add a thing to remove people's ~username fromt he homepage if they have the default file? i go browsing for something interesting someone has and are met with heaps of defaults.
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2018-11-30 07:49:51	stompy	lol
2018-11-30 07:50:14	stompy	if you saw me make 3 failed sudo attempts, i wasnt up to anything. i forgot i wasnt on my local terminal
2018-11-30 07:50:16	stompy	lmfao
2018-11-30 07:50:22	stompy	that scared me, i thought i forgot my own damn passwd
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2018-11-30 10:58:53	jan6	that's just b€n being lazy
2018-11-30 10:59:35	jan6	all you do is "if page exists and != default_page then list"
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2018-11-30 12:47:21	@khuxkm|lounge	much more complicated than that
2018-11-30 12:47:27	@khuxkm|lounge	plus it's PHP so f***
2018-11-30 13:33:04	jan6	heh
2018-11-30 13:33:07	jan6	some love php
2018-11-30 13:33:14	jan6	a lot hate it
2018-11-30 13:33:24	jan6	but almost nobody is "meh"
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2018-11-30 14:09:34	tildebeast	PHP's sole claim to popularity is that it's easy to get started with. By the same token if poop came in lego-shaped bricks some folk would appreciate its ease of assembly.
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2018-11-30 14:30:28	tildebeast	hum. if i want to build a simple nav menu with my static site generator rather than just hard-coding one, i'll need to parse metadata before each markdown file. no problem, there are semi-standard ways of including metadata preambles to markdown and some python modules that make it easy to parse. but...
2018-11-30 14:32:15	tildebeast	... should i keep memory use down by having an intermediate 'scan files first and build the nav menu file for inclusion later', or do the whole shebang (read markdown files, prepend header and nav menu, add html from markdown, append footer) in one single pass? The latter might use a ton of memory on a larger site.
2018-11-30 14:33:02	tildebeast	i don't really want to run two passes on the input files and generate intermediate files, but it's that or potentially use lots of memory.
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2018-11-30 14:45:25	jan6	first is better of course
2018-11-30 14:49:41	@khuxkm|lounge	scan in all of the files, parse metadata, gen nav menu, then (without passing over it again) use the input in-memory to gen the whole file
2018-11-30 15:25:29	tildebeast	khuxkm|lounge: that would be my preference. trouble is if you're doing that for, say, a few hundred markdown files then the memory usage climbs steeply. cos the menu needs to be built across the site as a whole.
2018-11-30 15:25:52	tildebeast	was hoping to build it so that it could run unobtrusively on something like a pi zero
2018-11-30 15:27:40	tildebeast	maybe the thing to do is try a very big site on my pi zero and see what it can handle :)
2018-11-30 15:30:27	ubergeek	^^^
2018-11-30 15:30:45	ubergeek	You might be surprised at how well it handles the task, especially if it's not time-sensitive.
2018-11-30 15:31:20	ubergeek	I offload procs like that in batch to a Pi A, and sometimes the jobs take a few hours to run, but I don't care, as long as they do.
2018-11-30 15:32:34	tildebeast	ubergeek: true. doesn't matter if it takes a while.
2018-11-30 15:33:02	~ben	fosslinux: possibley
2018-11-30 15:33:07	tildebeast	if it's, say, 20-30 pages then the build time will still be just a few seconds
2018-11-30 15:33:20	~ben	php isn't that bad
2018-11-30 15:34:02	~ben	oh i'm thinking that i could just compare the file to /etc/skel/public_html/indexphp
2018-11-30 15:34:55	tildebeast	just a diff?
2018-11-30 15:37:50	tildebeast	also re-discovered yesterday that firefox defaults to adjusting image colours according to profiles, so there's no guarantee that a simple png will actually be the same colour as a solid html background colour, even if you set it that way in your image editor...
2018-11-30 15:37:52	~ben	sha1_file
2018-11-30 15:38:00	tildebeast	that'd work too :)
2018-11-30 15:38:10	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed dafbad5 to master. (skip default pages; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/dafbad5)
2018-11-30 15:40:37	tildebeast	'cmp --silent' is also good. doesn't need to generate a checksum, just stops at the first different byte between the two files...
2018-11-30 15:40:44	tildebeast	might be slightly quicker?
2018-11-30 15:40:57	jan6	^if you do (ba)sh
2018-11-30 15:41:27	tildebeast	what shell is this running in?
2018-11-30 15:41:36	jan6	crc is also good for just quick and dirty compare
2018-11-30 15:42:07	jan6	crc is VERY quick, but not "secure", so it's perfect to compare "has it changed" but not good for a secure checksum
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2018-11-30 15:43:31	tildebeast	all of these methods would fail if there's an invisible change such as an extra space between html tags. how about rendering each ~/index.html then comparing the resulting images to a reference render of the default page? :D
2018-11-30 15:43:43	jan6	nah
2018-11-30 15:43:52	tildebeast	gwan
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2018-11-30 15:44:12	jan6	nothing would fail, unless you do whitespace INSENSIVE compare, which NOTHING does by default
2018-11-30 15:44:39	jan6	or stuff
2018-11-30 15:44:51	tildebeast	what about capitalisation?
2018-11-30 15:46:44	jan6	...same
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2018-11-30 16:00:37	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed 5 commits to master. (skip default pages, remove reference to defunct admin app, add tos, Adding tildezone logos, skip default pages; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/fdf5766)
2018-11-30 16:03:22	~ben	oof
2018-11-30 16:04:02	tildebeast	nice job ben
2018-11-30 16:04:02	~ben	aewens' logos commit was not rebased
2018-11-30 16:04:18	~ben	just had to fuck around with the history for a while
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2018-11-30 18:18:06	roesch0	hi, so I already told ben about this, but basically I'm unable to login to my account using my ssh key
2018-11-30 18:18:17	roesch0	ge updated the .ssh perms, but it still doesn't work so he told me to join the irc
2018-11-30 18:18:29	~ben	yo
2018-11-30 18:18:32	jan6	schmo
2018-11-30 18:18:34	roesch0	ah hi
2018-11-30 18:18:52	~ben	i'll check the logs, would you mind tryin again?
2018-11-30 18:19:02	roesch0	sure, give me a sec
2018-11-30 18:19:37	~ben	omfg
2018-11-30 18:19:39	~ben	i'm dumb
2018-11-30 18:19:48	jan6	why so?
2018-11-30 18:19:51	roesch0	lol what
2018-11-30 18:20:23	~ben	it should work now
2018-11-30 18:20:33	~ben	the key was in .ssh/id_rsa.pub and not .ssh/authorized_keys
2018-11-30 18:20:41	~ben	it is now
2018-11-30 18:20:47	roesch0	yeah it does
2018-11-30 18:20:50	roesch0	thanks!
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2018-11-30 18:21:47	~ben	np
2018-11-30 18:21:49	~ben	oh bye
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2018-11-30 18:32:42	stompy	yo yo
2018-11-30 18:32:47	stompy	ben: you around?
2018-11-30 18:32:57	stompy	i got a new hard drive and i need to update my ssh key
2018-11-30 18:33:06	~ben	stompy: no i'm not here :P
2018-11-30 18:33:11	stompy	oh no :(
2018-11-30 18:33:13	~ben	you can add them yourself
2018-11-30 18:33:16	~ben	lol
2018-11-30 18:33:21	stompy	oh i didnt know
2018-11-30 18:33:23	stompy	lemme read more
2018-11-30 18:33:24	~ben	unless you lost your original one?
2018-11-30 18:33:28	stompy	yeah 
2018-11-30 18:33:29	stompy	lol
2018-11-30 18:33:37	stompy	i figured i could just generate a new one?
2018-11-30 18:33:40	stompy	is that ok
2018-11-30 18:33:44	~ben	yeah go ahead
2018-11-30 18:33:49	~ben	you can just dm it to me
2018-11-30 18:33:53	~ben	or email if that's easier
2018-11-30 18:33:54	stompy	k
2018-11-30 18:34:12	ahriman	stompy: keep a backup of $HOME/.ssh/id_rsa* for the future
2018-11-30 18:34:57	jan6	sync it to tilde.team for maximum insecurity
2018-11-30 18:35:00	stompy	i know i just totally forgot
2018-11-30 18:35:12	stompy	i was so hyped for my new drive i didnt think about it
2018-11-30 18:35:28	ahriman	jan6: lol, it's not insecure if you take care of the backup and don't just back it up anywhere
2018-11-30 18:35:52	jan6	...
2018-11-30 18:35:59	ahriman	stompy get HYPHY over that new drive
2018-11-30 18:36:00	stompy	ben: should i email it to you? since its so long and cos of irc line breaks and all that
2018-11-30 18:36:16	jan6	I said a case specifically for "back up the key to the place you need the key to enter in the first place"
2018-11-30 18:36:22	~ben	irc is up to 512 chars
2018-11-30 18:36:24	~ben	probably fine
2018-11-30 18:36:25	ahriman	jan6: d'ohhhh
2018-11-30 18:36:49	~ben	yubikey ftw
2018-11-30 18:36:56	~ben	don't have to remember to back up your ssh keys
2018-11-30 18:37:07	ahriman	word i kinda want one
2018-11-30 18:37:18	jan6	fnord
2018-11-30 18:37:47	~ben	so worth it imho
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2018-11-30 19:21:18	ubergeek	don't send your private key, just the pub one :)
2018-11-30 19:21:32	ubergeek	should be no line breaks in it
2018-11-30 19:22:11	~ben	yup!
2018-11-30 19:22:15	~ben	:ok_hand:
2018-11-30 19:22:16	cirno	👌
2018-11-30 19:30:09	aewens	:shrug:
2018-11-30 19:30:20	aewens	cirno, y u no do it?
2018-11-30 19:30:56	~ben	:shrug:
2018-11-30 19:31:26	cdmnky	👏 :clap:
2018-11-30 19:31:26	cirno	👏
2018-11-30 19:32:51	~ben	:smirk:
2018-11-30 19:32:51	cirno	😏
2018-11-30 19:33:12	aewens	:+1:
2018-11-30 19:33:12	cirno	👍
2018-11-30 19:33:17	aewens	:-1:
2018-11-30 19:33:21	aewens	no u
2018-11-30 19:34:29	~ben	:100:
2018-11-30 19:34:29	cirno	💯
2018-11-30 19:48:38	dokuja	:sigh:
2018-11-30 19:48:48	dokuja	wah wah
2018-11-30 19:52:27	~ben	ba dum tss
2018-11-30 20:14:26	jan6	:frown:
2018-11-30 20:14:29	jan6	:crown:
2018-11-30 20:14:29	cirno	👸
2018-11-30 20:14:39	jan6	that's no crown, that's a princess!
2018-11-30 20:16:03	~ben	:sad:
2018-11-30 20:16:04	cirno	😿
2018-11-30 20:16:25	jan6	:smiling:cat:
2018-11-30 20:16:29	jan6	:smiling_cat:
2018-11-30 20:16:37	jan6	:happy_cat:
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2018-11-30 20:26:30	tomasino	:fat_cat:
2018-11-30 20:28:35	fosslinux	15:34:02              ~ben | oh i'm thinking that i could just compare the file to /etc/skel/public_html/indexphp
2018-11-30 20:28:38	fosslinux	that should work
2018-11-30 20:28:44	~ben	that patch is live btw
2018-11-30 20:28:48	~ben	already done it
2018-11-30 20:28:49	fosslinux	oh cool
2018-11-30 20:29:23	~ben	i just did sha1_file(defaultindex) == sha1_file(user)
2018-11-30 20:31:57	fosslinux	https://tilde.team/~sl2c/
2018-11-30 20:32:03	fosslinux	is still on there and has the default page
2018-11-30 20:36:38	jan6	why sha1 tho?
2018-11-30 20:38:26	aewens	Yeah, we are in the sha256 world now, sha1 is dead https://security.googleblog.com/2017/02/announcing-first-sha1-collision.html
2018-11-30 20:40:42	aewens	Also see this: https://valerieaurora.org/hash.html
2018-11-30 20:43:11	fosslinux	aewens: do you do security work?
2018-11-30 20:44:20	aewens	I wrote a multi-page manifesto on Internet security and do hobbyist infosec stuff, does that count?
2018-11-30 20:45:25	fosslinux	yes
2018-11-30 20:45:38	aewens	Then yes, I do security work.
2018-11-30 20:45:59	fosslinux	i want to get into infosec when i'm older, (im in high school now (australia)), what sort of stuff should i be focusing on?
2018-11-30 20:48:11	aewens	I got started by working on ciphers and figuring out how encryption / decryption works (and finding the difference between symmetric and asymmetric). Then there's taking into account the human factor with phishing.
2018-11-30 20:49:13	fosslinux	ok
2018-11-30 20:49:13	aewens	If you want some material, go through the infosec videos from Art of the Problem https://www.youtube.com/user/ArtOfTheProblem
2018-11-30 20:49:25	fosslinux	thanks :D
2018-11-30 20:49:56	fosslinux	basically what i've figured out so far is that there is two main parts
2018-11-30 20:50:09	aewens	And for phishing, a fun way to steal your friend's Facebook logins using a fake login page.
2018-11-30 20:50:13	fosslinux	1. the computer side
2018-11-30 20:50:15	fosslinux	2. human side
2018-11-30 20:50:43	aewens	It's important to understand the computer side, but for a bulk of pentesting you can usually use the human side alone.
2018-11-30 20:51:06	fosslinux	"for a bulk of pentesting you can usually use the human side alone." ?
2018-11-30 20:51:30	aewens	Oh, another *really* useful tool is net/port scanning. If you can find the routers / switches for places, a lot of people never change the default username/password on those.
2018-11-30 20:51:56	aewens	Oh, pentesting is short for penetration testing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penetration_test
2018-11-30 20:51:59	fosslinux	ik
2018-11-30 20:52:02	fosslinux	i know
2018-11-30 20:52:31	fosslinux	but what does that mean? for a bulk of penteration testing you can usually use the human side alone? (i know what penteration testing is)
2018-11-30 20:52:40	fosslinux	20:51:30            aewens | Oh, another *really* useful tool is net/port scanning.
2018-11-30 20:52:48	fosslinux	thats how i brought ~team down :PPPP
2018-11-30 20:53:05	aewens	For instance, I didn't need to find a way to trick a bank's security badge lock to get into their server room. I just asked someone nearby to let me in because I was there to do repairs and showed her a business card.
2018-11-30 20:53:23	fosslinux	ok right
2018-11-30 20:53:25	fosslinux	i see
2018-11-30 20:53:28	aewens	fosslinux: Yeah, that's why hetzner doesn't want you netscanning ;)
2018-11-30 20:53:57	fosslinux	yep
2018-11-30 20:55:27	aewens	Some other things to look into is "password hashing" "salting" "initialization vectors" "how aes works" "which mode in aes to use" "how rsa works" "how diffie hellman works" "how ecdsa works" "rsa vs ecdsa" "authenticate vs authenticity" "what HMAC is"
2018-11-30 20:55:50	fosslinux	hmmm ecryption everywhere
2018-11-30 20:56:46	fosslinux	:D
2018-11-30 20:57:58	aewens	There's also "sql injection" "cross site scripting (XSS)" "session hijacking" "timed attacks" "slow loris" and stuff like that for attacking client / server implementations
2018-11-30 20:58:10	fosslinux	"cross site scripting (XSS)"
2018-11-30 20:58:21	fosslinux	Ive been trying to learn that one
2018-11-30 20:58:33	fosslinux	i completed the first few of google's xss challanges
2018-11-30 20:58:38	jan6	"How to randomize your mac address" "what is a VPN" "Social Engineering 101"
2018-11-30 20:58:59	fosslinux	 "How to randomize your mac address" "what is a VPN" know those two
2018-11-30 20:59:16	fosslinux	"what is a VPN" i think most people here would know that :D
2018-11-30 20:59:23	aewens	A simple example of XSS is if a website does not sanitize user data, you leave a comment on a blog using "<script>alert('lol');</script>" and you have now put your own JS onto the site.
2018-11-30 20:59:43	jan6	from what computerphile showed, Slow Loris is a hilariously simple exploit, even though meant for slow networks and stuff
2018-11-30 20:59:56	jan6	aewens: that's not ACTUAL XSS
2018-11-30 21:00:03	jan6	it's not XROSS site
2018-11-30 21:00:39	fosslinux	whats actual xss then jan6, and what's that?
2018-11-30 21:00:40	aewens	I more meant that XSS is exploited there to do XROSS. The point is they didn't sanitize their data and I can use that to perform XSS.
2018-11-30 21:01:08	jan6	who knows, maybe the site allows alert tags, but filters out anything more useful, just to give false hope?
2018-11-30 21:01:22	aewens	pfff
2018-11-30 21:01:24	fosslinux	what's xross
2018-11-30 21:01:27	jan6	but kay 
2018-11-30 21:02:12	jan6	cross site scripting = XSS => X(ross) S(ite) S(cripting), logically
2018-11-30 21:02:32	fosslinux	oh right ok
2018-11-30 21:02:52	jan6	it's weird naming, but "sounds cool"
2018-11-30 21:04:00	fosslinux	:P
2018-11-30 21:04:00	aewens	There's also CSRF, which is Cross Site Request Forgery.
2018-11-30 21:04:21	fosslinux	heard of that too
2018-11-30 21:04:36	aewens	jan6: They did XSS instead of CSS because CSS already existed, and used the "X" looks like a cross for the name.
2018-11-30 21:04:45	fosslinux	there is more protection against that these days though isn't there?
2018-11-30 21:04:52	fosslinux	its pretty easy to protect against csrf
2018-11-30 21:05:02	tomasino	it's probably the most common vulnerability i run across in security checks
2018-11-30 21:05:13	aewens	Sure, but many newbies don't do it if they aren't using something like django or rails.
2018-11-30 21:05:24	fosslinux	ok sure
2018-11-30 21:06:09	aewens	You'll also want to quickly adopt the philosophy to never ever trust data sent by the client.
2018-11-30 21:06:18	fosslinux	for sure
2018-11-30 21:06:58	aewens	Which is where the authentication over authenticity really plays in.
2018-11-30 21:07:55	aewens	You can store a cookie to keep a user logged in, but if you don't check the authenticity I can use that cookie to try and brute force my way into being another user. So you need authenticity to prove the cookie was provided by the server and not changed afterwards.
2018-11-30 21:08:46	jan6	always make sure the data falls within your parameters, if you expect plaintext, then display it plaintext, not html, there are <pre> and such tags for a reason
2018-11-30 21:09:25	jan6	css to make them look normal and boom
2018-11-30 21:12:09	aewens	Also, you'll want to make sure error messages from the server never leak important information. If I try to login with an email and password and you tell me the password is wrong, I know know that email is a part of your service without needing to know their password or trying to search for their account.
2018-11-30 21:13:08	aewens	That's why sites go with "Your email/password do not match our records" so you only know that the pair are wrong.
2018-11-30 21:13:38	fosslinux	i have seen services with that exact problem
2018-11-30 21:15:00	aewens	Also, if you ever reset your password on an account and they are able to send you what your password was in an email, you now know that website is storing your password (and everyone else's) in plaintext, so a data breach will leak all that information.
2018-11-30 21:16:12	fosslinux	offtopic, but announcement tilders, i have registered tildeteam.{tk,ml,ga,cf,gq} (all free domains) via freenom, i'll add these to the wiki page
2018-11-30 21:16:13	fosslinux	ben:
2018-11-30 21:16:40	fosslinux	aewens: right for sure
2018-11-30 21:16:48	~ben	don't add them unless you have mx set up proplerly
2018-11-30 21:17:33	fosslinux	mx?
2018-11-30 21:17:38	fosslinux	what do i need in the mx record?
2018-11-30 21:17:38	aewens	fosslinux: But yeah, that should all give you a place to start.
2018-11-30 21:17:43	fosslinux	thanks
2018-11-30 21:17:58	jan6	I HATE how it doesn't tell me if my mail is right in the login boxes, even though, sure, security
2018-11-30 21:18:16	aewens	No problem! Also, if you are not already, use a password manager and make sure your email does not share the password of literally any one of your other accounts.
2018-11-30 21:18:31	jan6	how would *I* know which one of the 5 mails I used for THIS site? or can I only login by username? and which one?
2018-11-30 21:18:44	jan6	nay, Immah insecure nobody
2018-11-30 21:18:51	fosslinux	yes i do that aewens
2018-11-30 21:18:57	jan6	I won't change that until it's too late
2018-11-30 21:19:08	aewens	jan6: Use an account manager to handle that?
2018-11-30 21:19:29	jan6	nay
2018-11-30 21:19:38	aewens	You do you
2018-11-30 21:19:47	jan6	I won't have anyone else's software know ALL of my accounts, nay way!
2018-11-30 21:20:32	fosslinux	jan6: use an open source offline password manager
2018-11-30 21:20:33	jan6	it's so much more secure, UNTIL they figure out it's pass/backdoor/CIA orders them to give acces to my account
2018-11-30 21:20:36	fosslinux	i use padlock
2018-11-30 21:20:59	aewens	jan6: Bitwarden is open source and you can run your own version of it.
2018-11-30 21:21:53	aewens	There's also KeePassX for the super-duper paranoid that runs off a file on your computer that you encrypt that's connected to zero servers (also open source).
2018-11-30 21:22:54	jan6	I'd rather use my poor memory and use derivative passwords everywhere, much easier an nobody's bothered to target me yet
2018-11-30 21:23:17	fosslinux	ben: any other records i need to look out for
2018-11-30 21:23:19	jan6	after all, I don't have basically anything worth much
2018-11-30 21:24:26	jan6	fosslinux: you can just redirect them to ~team's main page otherwise, the point is that you can send mail to any listed domains, which requires MX domains, rest is usually just redirects afaik
2018-11-30 21:24:44	jan6	so you can mail jan6@tilde.ninja and it'd get delivered
2018-11-30 21:25:07	fosslinux	i know
2018-11-30 21:25:14	fosslinux	i'm setting up the MX records nwo
2018-11-30 21:25:54	sebboh-yt	jan6 I started using yapet after years of using your method.  Over time, my method of deriving per-site passwords became less uncommon..  And some of my passwords were disclosed via breaches.  After receiving one of those "I got your password send me bitcoin" emails with a real (but useless) site-specific password of mine, I figured it was time to go full random.  ...basically I feared that
2018-11-30 21:25:57	sebboh-yt	somebody could figure out my derivition algo if they were to see to many more of my real passwords..
2018-11-30 21:26:43	aewens	fosslinux: Oh, right, another infosec thing you should know. Always have a get away plan for the day you inevitably go rogue and need a new identity. Be sure to melt the hard drives and throw them into a lake on your way out.
2018-11-30 21:26:55	~ben	fosslinux: mail.tilde.team
2018-11-30 21:26:56	jan6	meanwhile I'm here with my laptop's login pass being literally four lowercase "a" in a row
2018-11-30 21:27:06	~ben	also dig txt tilde.team
2018-11-30 21:27:13	~ben	dig txt _dmarc.tilde.team
2018-11-30 21:27:18	~ben	and dig mail._domainkey.tilde.team
2018-11-30 21:27:19	fosslinux	aewens: :P
2018-11-30 21:27:29	aewens	jan6: The passowrd on your laptop is useless. If I have physical access to your device, security is dead.
2018-11-30 21:27:51	~ben	jan6: doesn't matter what your locla password is
2018-11-30 21:28:02	fosslinux	what aewens said
2018-11-30 21:28:12	~ben	jynx
2018-11-30 21:28:15	~ben	s/y/i
2018-11-30 21:28:16	sedbot	<ben> jinx
2018-11-30 21:28:30	fosslinux	 security is dead. (unless your laptop is off and you have encryption
2018-11-30 21:28:42	aewens	You can literally get the Administrator account on Windows 10 using just the install ISO, it's sad how easy it is xD
2018-11-30 21:28:52	jan6	heh
2018-11-30 21:28:53	fosslinux	even if you ahve bitlocker?
2018-11-30 21:28:59	aewens	fosslinux: Yeah
2018-11-30 21:29:08	fosslinux	da fauq
2018-11-30 21:29:14	fosslinux	thats retartared
2018-11-30 21:29:19	fosslinux	i cant spell today
2018-11-30 21:29:30	aewens	Rebooting fosslinux 
2018-11-30 21:29:45	jan6	installer has bitlocker support too, to be able to set it up and stuff, I bet, and it doesn't care about permissions since it's installer, not proper OS
2018-11-30 21:29:50	 *	fosslinux Shutting down *windy circle animation*
2018-11-30 21:30:12	jan6	*you have 5 unclosed programs, really shut down?*
2018-11-30 21:30:17	fosslinux	lol
2018-11-30 21:30:26	cdmnky	beach ball of death
2018-11-30 21:30:42	fosslinux	whats the point of even having bitlocker then if you can just get the admin account
2018-11-30 21:30:50	~ben	security theater
2018-11-30 21:31:02	fosslinux	?
2018-11-30 21:31:05	aewens	Oh boy, time to shutdown my computer before this storm tonight *Windows is now installing updates, please wait in indefinite amount of time*
2018-11-30 21:31:06	jan6	windows and security in one sentence? HAH
2018-11-30 21:31:31	fosslinux	i wish i could use linux at school
2018-11-30 21:31:33	aewens	fosslinux: Security theater, it means so you can feel safe without being safe.
2018-11-30 21:31:35	fosslinux	but NOOOOOOOOO
2018-11-30 21:31:38	jan6	16:31:31         fosslinux | i wish i could use linux at school
2018-11-30 21:31:44	jan6	why can't you, in a VM at least?
2018-11-30 21:31:49	fosslinux	i do
2018-11-30 21:31:51	fosslinux	but thats in windows
2018-11-30 21:31:55	fosslinux	so whats the point
2018-11-30 21:32:00	aewens	Well, you can. Use a live version of Linux on a USB and boot from that.
2018-11-30 21:32:06	jan6	oh, is the bios locked?
2018-11-30 21:32:13	jan6	^cause yeah
2018-11-30 21:32:14	fosslinux	no no
2018-11-30 21:32:18	aewens	Pfff, schools don't lock the BIOS
2018-11-30 21:32:19	fosslinux	we bring our own computers
2018-11-30 21:32:23	fosslinux	21:32:18            aewens | Pfff, schools don't lock the BIOS
2018-11-30 21:32:30	fosslinux	yes they do on school computers
2018-11-30 21:32:31	~ben	then why tf are you using windows
2018-11-30 21:32:36	fosslinux	21:32:31              ~ben | then why tf are you using windows
2018-11-30 21:32:37	jan6	then why not run WINDOWS in a vm in your linux install?!
2018-11-30 21:32:47	jan6	srsly
2018-11-30 21:32:49	fosslinux	1. school wifi dosen't work on linux tf do i know why
2018-11-30 21:32:49	~ben	that's a far better solution ^
2018-11-30 21:32:58	~ben	figure it out
2018-11-30 21:33:00	~ben	rtfm
2018-11-30 21:33:02	aewens	fosslinux: What brand are the computers? There are public backdoors to BIOS locks for most vendors.
2018-11-30 21:33:02	~ben	lol
2018-11-30 21:33:06	jan6	pass wifi device to the VM, or figure out, yeah
2018-11-30 21:33:07	fosslinux	i have 
2018-11-30 21:33:16	jan6	ask some forums and stuff
2018-11-30 21:33:18	fosslinux	ben i've spent HOURS trying to figure it out
2018-11-30 21:33:35	fosslinux	aewens: lenovo thinkpads low end
2018-11-30 21:33:40	aewens	fosslinux: Is it one of those Wifi things where you give it and user/password to sign into it?
2018-11-30 21:33:44	fosslinux	yes
2018-11-30 21:34:02	jan6	ask everywhere you can, including <insert stackoverflow board that deals with hardware-ish things or such>
2018-11-30 21:34:03	fosslinux	PEAP-2 MSCHAPV2 WPA-2 enteprise
2018-11-30 21:34:21	fosslinux	you know what
2018-11-30 21:34:33	fosslinux	this school holidays coming up, i'm going to reinstall with linux
2018-11-30 21:34:40	fosslinux	stuff everything else
2018-11-30 21:34:47	fosslinux	i'll run winodws in a vm
2018-11-30 21:34:56	jan6	^
2018-11-30 21:35:23	fosslinux	plus i need to encrypt everything in my educationgoogle drive
2018-11-30 21:35:33	fosslinux	which wasn't done but i thought it was
2018-11-30 21:35:40	jan6	at worst, you can use a USB wifi adapter and pass that to the VM, cause I can guarantee you can pass usb to the VM
2018-11-30 21:35:48	fosslinux	sure
2018-11-30 21:36:21	jan6	you can even boot for a physical usb device in a VM which is handy, and I didn't know worked
2018-11-30 21:36:27	fosslinux	sutff that version 2
2018-11-30 21:36:34	fosslinux	i'll bringmy portable linux to school
2018-11-30 21:36:37	fosslinux	on my portable ssd
2018-11-30 21:36:49	fosslinux	i'm dumb
2018-11-30 21:36:55	fosslinux	why didn't i think of that before
2018-11-30 21:37:39	aewens	Ta-dah!
2018-11-30 21:38:13	 *	fosslinux goes back to bed to be able to think
2018-11-30 21:38:45	fosslinux	nah kidding im staying here
2018-11-30 21:40:38	fosslinux	https://www.cocosenor.com/articles/computer/3-ways-to-unlock-bios-password-on-lenovo-thinkpad-laptop.html
2018-11-30 21:41:15	cdmnky	fosslinux there's instructions on how to get past bios passwords in the service manuals themselves that you can get off their website
2018-11-30 21:41:32	fosslinux	lmao
2018-11-30 21:41:37	cdmnky	https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht101562
2018-11-30 21:42:13	fosslinux	yes official hacking ftw
2018-11-30 21:42:42	cdmnky	https://download.lenovo.com/consumer/mobiles_pub/ideapad_u330pu330touchu430pu430touch_hmm.pdf
2018-11-30 21:42:50	cdmnky	page 24
2018-11-30 21:43:58	jan6	how to reset bios, it's simple
2018-11-30 21:44:17	jan6	open up the computer and remoce mos battery and power source
2018-11-30 21:44:28	jan6	then touch together those contacts and boom
2018-11-30 21:44:40	jan6	*remove cmos
2018-11-30 21:44:46	aewens	Yep, paper clip and screw driver are your hacking tools
2018-11-30 21:45:24	jan6	also, beware he who wield screwdriver, it's a mighty tool!
2018-11-30 21:45:41	aewens	Then you realize how cheap lock picks are, that your previous land lord never switches out the locks and it costs $2 to copy a key.
2018-11-30 21:45:57	jan6	heh
2018-11-30 21:46:03	aewens	Nothing can stop you now
2018-11-30 21:46:23	jan6	protip, replace your lock with a tubular one, nobody will have any idea how to upen it, but you ;P
2018-11-30 21:46:45	aewens	No joke though, I have a keychain of all the keys to the previous places I lived.
2018-11-30 21:46:50	jan6	and if you lose the key you can just use a pen to force it open ;P
2018-11-30 21:47:24	aewens	Nah, I keep backup keys hidden on the property inside locked boxes
2018-11-30 21:47:39	jan6	to which you need the key inside of it
2018-11-30 21:48:00	aewens	Yeah, but they're combination locked
2018-11-30 21:48:04	jan6	and they certainly have rocks hot glued to the top
2018-11-30 21:48:29	aewens	Who is gluing rocks to keys? Not me.
2018-11-30 21:54:19	fosslinux	jan6: id get in HUGE trouble if i was caught doing that
2018-11-30 21:57:03	aewens	fosslinux: Rule #1: Don't get caught doing that
2018-11-30 21:57:31	fosslinux	thats why i'd prefer a backdoor password which i now know exists
2018-11-30 21:57:57	aewens	You can start with this https://bios-pw.org/
2018-11-30 21:58:07	fosslinux	ik
2018-11-30 21:58:10	fosslinux	i found that
2018-11-30 21:59:03	aewens	When I did repair work I used that, the pop CMOS + jumper thing, then replacing the motherboard as a last resort.
2018-11-30 21:59:22	aewens	I think I only ever had to replace the motherboard once.
2018-11-30 23:52:48	sebboh-yt	I repaired a motherboard once.
2018-11-30 23:57:18	fosslinux	you repaired a motherboard?
2018-11-30 23:57:23	fosslinux	how did that go?
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2018-12-01 03:28:42	fosslinux	ben: is there any way to make it if a gopher request comes from gopher.cf it goes to my gopher page?
2018-12-01 03:28:55	~ben	no it's by ip
2018-12-01 03:29:00	fosslinux	oh damn
2018-12-01 03:29:01	fosslinux	ok
2018-12-01 03:29:19	~ben	gophernicus has a wonky way to do vhosts like that
2018-12-01 03:29:24	~ben	but it's not very good
2018-12-01 03:29:46	fosslinux	ok
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2018-12-01 21:12:56	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed 1c12cce to master. (add links on /css/ to swap between hacker and dracula theme previews; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/1c12cce)
2018-12-01 21:14:26	~ben	https://tilde.team/css/
2018-12-01 21:19:06	jan6	the "haxor bootstrap" part stays the same, along with almost all of the description
2018-12-01 21:19:26	jan6	might want to make the big heading change too, and stuff
2018-12-01 21:19:31	~ben	to what?
2018-12-01 21:19:41	~ben	all i added was the link to swap themes
2018-12-01 21:19:47	~ben	in the navbar and in the jumbotron
2018-12-01 21:20:09	jan6	idk, "dracula CSS, for vampire hunters" or somtin
2018-12-01 21:21:02	~ben	feel free to send a PR
2018-12-01 21:21:13	~ben	i just wanted it to be easier to switch between them
2018-12-01 21:21:17	jan6	kay
2018-12-01 21:21:30	~ben	SinaCutie should probably be the one to come up with the name though :P
2018-12-01 21:21:40	~ben	since she created teh dracula theme
2018-12-01 21:24:21	jan6	is it true dracula then, though? or "facula"
2018-12-01 21:26:06	~ben	?
2018-12-01 21:28:55	jan6	kinda like how the "solarized" theme has specific requirements to be filled, is it "true dracula" or "fake dracula => facula"?
2018-12-01 21:29:05	jan6	doesn't matter really
2018-12-01 21:29:45	~ben	i think the original theme is called darcula 
2018-12-02 01:00:08	giteabot	[team/teambot] Robert Miles pushed 4395e0a to master. (Add on_connection_established callback; https://tildegit.org/team/teambot/commit/4395e0a)
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2018-12-02 02:26:51	@cmccabe	happy saturday night all
2018-12-02 02:28:07	ubergeek	hola
2018-12-02 02:28:29	ubergeek	cmccabe: just got through the short version of "History of pubnix", now reading the long version :)
2018-12-02 02:29:52	@cmccabe	cool. i hope you like it.  i am gearing up for a revision, so i'm all ears for any suggestiins you have.
2018-12-02 02:30:33	@cmccabe	or suggestions.
2018-12-02 02:31:00	ubergeek	Got it :)  I think you pretty much covered it, but I'll keep it in mind :)
2018-12-02 02:45:25	fosslinux	whats pubnix cmccabe?
2018-12-02 02:45:50	ubergeek	public *nix
2018-12-02 02:47:40	fosslinux	expensive af
2018-12-02 02:50:34	@cmccabe	sorry, got pulled aside. i'm back.
2018-12-02 02:51:11	@cmccabe	fosslinux: pubnix is short for public access unix systems. sdf.org is probably the most famous current one, but the tildes are good examples too.
2018-12-02 02:52:19	fosslinux	cool
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2018-12-02 03:19:51	~ben	wb stompy 
2018-12-02 03:21:37	M-ben	hello
2018-12-02 03:21:40	~ben	woah nice
2018-12-02 03:42:36	@cmccabe	it is off to bed for ol' cmccabe.
2018-12-02 03:44:08	fosslinux	night
2018-12-02 03:58:51	~ben	night!
2018-12-02 03:59:01	tomasino	morning!
2018-12-02 03:59:07	tomasino	to whoever it's the morning for
2018-12-02 04:00:18	fosslinux	inooooooonnnneee
2018-12-02 04:21:22	~ben	morning?
2018-12-02 04:21:27	~ben	it's 11:21pm
2018-12-02 05:42:18	fosslinux	its 4:42pm
2018-12-02 05:44:36	~ben	wow 16 hours ahead
2018-12-02 05:46:33	fosslinux	wow
2018-12-02 05:46:58	~ben	12:46 am
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2018-12-02 15:20:25	@khuxkm	hi maxii! welcome to ~team!
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2018-12-02 15:54:46	jan6|	17:54
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2018-12-02 19:10:18	hyperboredoubt	Hi, people.
2018-12-02 19:45:47	Naglfar	hi hyperboredoubt 
2018-12-02 19:47:01	hyperboredoubt	Hi, Naglfar.
2018-12-02 19:48:03	fosslinux	Naglfar: how are you?
2018-12-02 20:13:24	Naglfar	fine, thanks
2018-12-02 20:13:37	Naglfar	just reading about nfs
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2018-12-03 00:11:31	hyperboredoubt	Welcome back stompy.
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2018-12-03 01:41:52	snurryboy	lol
2018-12-03 01:46:59	hyperboredoubt	Hi, snurryboy.
2018-12-03 01:47:11	snurryboy	howdy
2018-12-03 01:49:43	hyperboredoubt	Join us on #meta or #cosmic.
2018-12-03 01:50:57	snurryboy	already in meta ive just been too busy to look at irc that much
2018-12-03 01:53:42	hyperboredoubt	That's okay.
2018-12-03 02:30:38	fosslinux	#cosmic is for COSMIC
2018-12-03 02:31:50	hyperboredoubt	The POWER COSMIC?!
2018-12-03 02:32:00	hyperboredoubt	Slow down, Dr. Strange.
2018-12-03 02:32:29	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-03 02:32:32	fosslinux	mad puns
2018-12-03 02:32:36	fosslinux	s/m/d
2018-12-03 02:32:37	sedbot	<fosslinux> dad puns
2018-12-03 02:32:43	fosslinux	s/d/b
2018-12-03 02:32:43	sedbot	<fosslinux> mab puns
2018-12-03 02:32:47	fosslinux	woowowowo
2018-12-03 02:32:50	fosslinux	bad puns
2018-12-03 03:39:43	@cmccabe	salutations 
2018-12-03 03:42:37	hyperboredoubt	Mi vin salutas.
2018-12-03 05:28:44	snurryboy	hmmm i reinstalled znc a new playback module and im still not getting playback
2018-12-03 05:28:57	snurryboy	is anyone using znc on tilde.team with successful playback?
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2018-12-03 05:35:29	hyperboredoubt	What is znc?
2018-12-03 05:35:39	snurryboy	irc bouncer
2018-12-03 05:37:56	fosslinux	i dont use znc i wouldnt know
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2018-12-03 05:45:19	jan6|	^
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2018-12-03 05:51:05	~ben	hey you're in rgdrake1 !
2018-12-03 05:52:30	rgdrake1	Hello
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2018-12-03 06:33:38	fosslinux	for helllllsss sake
2018-12-03 06:33:39	fosslinux	ben;
2018-12-03 06:33:41	fosslinux	ben:
2018-12-03 06:33:46	fosslinux	akilll himmmmmm
2018-12-03 06:34:02	~ben	ok
2018-12-03 06:34:29	~ben	i gotta get the hostmask right though
2018-12-03 06:34:37	fosslinux	lol
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2018-12-03 06:35:17	fosslinux	how long?
2018-12-03 06:35:40	~ben	i'm not sure 
2018-12-03 06:35:50	~ben	a week? a month?
2018-12-03 06:36:02	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-03 06:36:12	ahriman	have you banned him before?
2018-12-03 06:36:16	fosslinux	^
2018-12-03 06:36:31	ahriman	if not, maybe 24 hours? if repeat offense, longer
2018-12-03 06:36:36	~ben	once
2018-12-03 06:36:39	slipyx	fibbonaci
2018-12-03 06:36:48	ahriman	how long was the previous ban for
2018-12-03 06:36:54	~ben	2 days?
2018-12-03 06:36:59	~ben	i don't really remember
2018-12-03 06:37:02	~ben	but i feel like he doesn't learn
2018-12-03 06:37:04	ahriman	a week seems appropriate then
2018-12-03 06:37:08	deepend	pretty sure you did a week or so previously
2018-12-03 06:37:15	~ben	month then
2018-12-03 06:37:22	ahriman	word
2018-12-03 06:37:25	~ben	idk how else to get through to him
2018-12-03 06:37:42	ahriman	idk either
2018-12-03 06:37:45	fosslinux	same
2018-12-03 06:37:47	~ben	sure he's young and has autism, but you can't use that as a crutch forever
2018-12-03 06:37:49	deepend	make the channels all require voice to chat and then its a non issue lol
2018-12-03 06:38:00	~ben	lol then no one would be able to talk
2018-12-03 06:38:01	fosslinux	"has autism" he does?
2018-12-03 06:38:12	~ben	yeah afaik
2018-12-03 06:39:08	fosslinux	oh
2018-12-03 06:39:18	fosslinux	that 1/2 explains his behaviour
2018-12-03 06:39:27	jan6|	REEEEEEEEEE
2018-12-03 06:39:40	fosslinux	^ and that
2018-12-03 06:39:51	slipyx	also australian
2018-12-03 06:39:55	slipyx	so uh yeah
2018-12-03 06:40:20	jan6|	he has Autismus Australis, then
2018-12-03 06:40:26	fosslinux	i'm aussie dont bully
2018-12-03 06:40:31	jan6|	heh
2018-12-03 06:41:41	 *	jan6| unleashes a scorpion-tarantula-bull
2018-12-03 06:41:46	fosslinux	??????
2018-12-03 06:43:02	jan6|	nothing, it just wants to kill you, like everything in 'stralia
2018-12-03 06:44:17	fosslinux	lolll
2018-12-03 07:21:37	rgdrake	Good time of the day
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2018-12-03 10:47:31	--	Topic for #team is "tilde.team specific stuff ~ https://tilde.team ~ https://tildegit.org/team"
2018-12-03 10:47:31	--	Topic set by ben on Tue, 27 Nov 2018 16:31:56
2018-12-03 10:47:31	--	Channel #team: 93 nicks (4 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 89 normals)
2018-12-03 10:48:17	--	Channel created on Tue, 19 Jun 2018 18:12:30
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2018-12-03 10:49:13	Naglfar	what happening?
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2018-12-03 12:59:47	ubergeek	catching up on scrollback:  Autism doesn't excuse his behavior, really.  My son has autism, and admins 3 different discord servers right now, along with several GMod servers.  Face-to-face interaction tends to be the problem, not text-based communication
2018-12-03 12:59:56	ubergeek	He's just young, and a typical kid.
2018-12-03 13:19:15	amcclure	what happened?
2018-12-03 13:23:47	ubergeek	brendantcc being brendantcc...
2018-12-03 13:24:06	ubergeek	... and going off and bridging a discord server to #meta
2018-12-03 13:24:57	cdmnky	oh wow
2018-12-03 13:26:12	amcclure	bridging a discord server to #meta?
2018-12-03 13:32:17	arne	what
2018-12-03 13:32:27	arne	oh brendan
2018-12-03 13:32:38	arne	Autism doesn't excuse that behaviour
2018-12-03 13:33:01	arne	I'm autistic and I'm not a jerk (i think so)
2018-12-03 14:07:34	jan6	it might not excuse it, but like stupidity doesn't excuse neglegence, it tends to happen together more often than not
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2018-12-03 14:28:20	cognifice	Hi.
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2018-12-03 14:28:33	hyperboredoubt	Hi.
2018-12-03 14:28:49	cognifice	Hi, hyperboredoubt.
2018-12-03 14:28:55	hyperboredoubt	Hey, cognifice.
2018-12-03 14:29:25	arne	hi
2018-12-03 14:29:52	cognifice	Hi, arne.
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2018-12-03 15:01:50	~ben	i've had to talk to him many times for spammy, shitposty behavior
2018-12-03 15:02:04	~ben	along with many times being asked to stop, then continuing to do exactly that
2018-12-03 15:02:20	~ben	he's banned through the end of 2018
2018-12-03 15:25:01	rgdrake	hey ben, can tilde.team handle up to 12 or so more users? I had a small community at roblifehackc.com, but can no longer afford the VPS, can I invite them to apply here?
2018-12-03 15:26:19	~ben	yeah, absolutely!
2018-12-03 15:26:36	rgdrake	cool
2018-12-03 15:26:40	~ben	we're at 178 right now
2018-12-03 15:26:54	~ben	the box has 64gb of ram :P
2018-12-03 15:27:09	rgdrake	btw, how much disk space / ram am I allowed to use? So I don't break a rule
2018-12-03 15:28:16	rgdrake	oh wow, roblifehackc.com barely used 1 gig of the 2 gig I was paying for
2018-12-03 15:28:24	~ben	disk space is about 1gb
2018-12-03 15:28:52	rgdrake	we barely touched the allocated disk space
2018-12-03 15:29:16	~ben	there's a hard 200 process limit to prevent forkbombs
2018-12-03 15:29:40	~ben	try not to use more than 4gb ram? lol
2018-12-03 15:29:44	~ben	that's not a big deal
2018-12-03 15:30:43	ubergeek	I think with a dozen more users, ben might have to institute the 1MB ~ dir quotas... :P
2018-12-03 15:30:50	ubergeek	1.44MB, to be exactly.
2018-12-03 15:31:02	~ben	most $HOMEs are very small
2018-12-03 15:31:35	rgdrake	mine has nvm in it
2018-12-03 15:31:45	~ben	should be fine :)
2018-12-03 15:31:50	rgdrake	brb I can get a pain pill
2018-12-03 15:31:52	ubergeek	(home dir quotas were a joke, btw)
2018-12-03 15:32:21	~ben	lol i know ;)
2018-12-03 15:32:29	~ben	i was thinking about doing a 1gb quota though
2018-12-03 15:32:37	~ben	but we have about 80 gb free rn
2018-12-03 15:33:33	~ben	it was feeling more urgent when we were down to 25gb free
2018-12-03 15:33:58	~ben	there are 12 homedirs with more than 1gb
2018-12-03 15:34:52	~ben	2 of which are system accounts
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2018-12-03 15:37:36	ubergeek	perhaps just a "Gentle reminder" email to people  homedirs over X, sent out monthly would help?
2018-12-03 15:37:53	ubergeek	I know I *had* a large dir, but only because I forgot about a giant repo I cloned down
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2018-12-03 15:41:09	~ben	good idea
2018-12-03 15:41:12	~ben	i'll look into it
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2018-12-03 16:34:12	snurryboy	ive found out my issue with znc not doing playback is most likely a setting
2018-12-03 16:34:43	snurryboy	installing znc on my local machine i was able to get playback sort of working on the laptop. still not on the phone which is the main point
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2018-12-03 18:03:42	snurryboy	so i figured it out 
2018-12-03 18:03:42	snurryboy	feel like an idiot lol
2018-12-03 18:04:29	snurryboy	for some reason settings were default to weird things like not using UTF-8 encoding. but also autoclearchanbuffer and autoclearquerybuffer were selected and shouldnt be
2018-12-03 18:09:31	~ben	oh noooo
2018-12-03 18:09:35	~ben	glad you figured it out!
2018-12-03 18:10:23	snurryboy	lol yea me too
2018-12-03 18:10:58	snurryboy	i took me to install and compile znc on hashbang.sh then on my local machine to realise i wasn't getting playback no matter what host or client
2018-12-03 18:11:44	arne	Wow
2018-12-03 18:13:13	snurryboy	theres this rule where i always have to take the longest way to learn the simplest thing
2018-12-03 18:13:20	snurryboy	but at least its stuck in my head at the end
2018-12-03 18:14:13	snurryboy	brb
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2018-12-03 18:28:08	snurryboy	ahhhhhhhhh dats better :)
2018-12-03 18:37:12	arne	Boi
2018-12-03 18:39:09	~ben	nice
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2018-12-03 22:53:49	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed b621738 to master. (add fuckup.club; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/b621738)
2018-12-03 22:55:41	cdmnky	LOL fuckup.club
2018-12-03 22:55:45	snurryboy	Lol
2018-12-03 22:55:49	~ben	mail works
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2018-12-03 22:56:03	~ben	cdmnky@fuckup.club
2018-12-03 22:56:04	snurryboy	First rule of fuckup.club don’t fuckup
2018-12-03 22:56:09	~ben	^^
2018-12-03 22:56:21	snurryboy	Whooops rm-rf /
2018-12-03 22:56:36	snurryboy	Which only worked cause Ben fucked up and gave everyone root access
2018-12-03 22:56:40	cdmnky	bash: rm-rf: command not found
2018-12-03 22:56:41	snurryboy	:)
2018-12-03 22:56:58	snurryboy	lol good thing I can’t spell
2018-12-03 22:57:05	snurryboy	I dun not ducked up there
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2018-12-03 22:57:51	~ben	heh
2018-12-03 23:00:00	cognifice	Hi, ben, snurryboy, and cdmnky.
2018-12-03 23:00:04	~ben	yo
2018-12-03 23:01:20	cdmnky	yo
2018-12-03 23:01:26	~ben	yo-yo
2018-12-03 23:01:30	~ben	cdmnky: did you get my test mail
2018-12-03 23:01:50	cdmnky	i did, but haven't seen it yet
2018-12-03 23:01:58	cdmnky	LOL
2018-12-03 23:05:05	~ben	lel
2018-12-03 23:05:16	~ben	btw you can imap/smtp or forward to a different email
2018-12-03 23:08:38	snurryboy	Hey cognifice 
2018-12-03 23:16:54	hyperboredoubt	Hi.
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2018-12-03 23:25:40	hyperboredoubt	Hi, stompy.
2018-12-04 01:48:14	rgdrake	Hello
2018-12-04 01:51:50	ubergeek	hey rgdrake 
2018-12-04 02:18:55	hyperboredoubt	Hi, rgdrake and ubergeek.
2018-12-04 03:54:38	@cmccabe	hi
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2018-12-04 04:12:17	~ben	yo
2018-12-04 04:12:30	ahriman	que pasta
2018-12-04 04:12:48	~ben	thinking about moving a git guide that i started last year into the ~team wiki
2018-12-04 04:12:57	~ben	https://benharri.github.io/learngit
2018-12-04 04:13:03	ahriman	oh shit, checking it out now
2018-12-04 04:13:05	~ben	thoughts?
2018-12-04 04:13:16	~ben	could definitely use some love
2018-12-04 04:13:18	slipyx	is it still relevant
2018-12-04 04:13:34	~ben	i mean nothing in it should be inaccurate
2018-12-04 04:13:36	~ben	just not complete
2018-12-04 04:14:31	~ben	wow windows 7 cygwin screenshots
2018-12-04 04:14:34	~ben	wth
2018-12-04 04:14:34	ahriman	it's set up quite nicely. go for it!
2018-12-04 04:14:49	ahriman	lol @ the win screenshots, i was thinking the hell did he do that for
2018-12-04 04:14:55	~ben	good question
2018-12-04 04:15:13	~ben	oh
2018-12-04 04:15:26	~ben	a bunch of my coworkers were asking me git questions
2018-12-04 04:15:33	~ben	so i made those at work i think
2018-12-04 04:15:37	ahriman	did you tell them to git gud
2018-12-04 04:15:41	~ben	ye
2018-12-04 04:15:43	~ben	of course
2018-12-04 04:15:46	ahriman	word
2018-12-04 04:15:59	slipyx	git rekt
2018-12-04 04:16:07	~ben	no u
2018-12-04 04:30:08	snurryboy	Urine git
2018-12-04 04:32:14	~ben	:o
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2018-12-04 08:42:10	murii	ben: https://tildegit.org/team/bbj shows 404
2018-12-04 09:33:34	rgdrake	Hello, btw
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2018-12-04 09:37:42	rgdrake	ok back, I need to configure my sehll here a bit
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2018-12-04 14:39:14	Naglfar	snurryboy, I'm using znc, but do not playback module
2018-12-04 14:39:35	snurryboy	oh i got it working
2018-12-04 14:40:07	Naglfar	ah
2018-12-04 14:40:23	Naglfar	ok
2018-12-04 14:40:36	snurryboy	main prob was autoclearchanbuffer was set to true
2018-12-04 14:41:14	snurryboy	its a shame tho konversation on my laptop doesn't support znc as far as i can tell
2018-12-04 14:42:14	Naglfar	I use irssi
2018-12-04 14:46:13	~ben	weechat++
2018-12-04 14:46:27	~ben	murii: https://tildegit.org/bbj/bbj
2018-12-04 14:46:45	snurryboy	yea i dont mind weechat but i like konversation more
2018-12-04 14:46:59	snurryboy	i might try hexchat or just find a way to run textual on linux
2018-12-04 14:47:07	snurryboy	textual is my fav irc client
2018-12-04 14:49:28	Naglfar	snurryboy, do you mean this one? https://github.com/Codeux-Software/Textual
2018-12-04 14:49:36	snurryboy	yep
2018-12-04 14:49:54	snurryboy	completely developed by one guy milky
2018-12-04 14:50:00	snurryboy	he does good work
2018-12-04 14:50:13	Naglfar	it seems to be open source
2018-12-04 14:51:31	snurryboy	yea ive never really looked into it but i believe it is. if you wanna compile it yourself i think you can but it comes with 30 day trial and like 7$ or something after that
2018-12-04 14:52:07	snurryboy	ɐpun uʍop ɯoɹɟ ɯı
2018-12-04 14:52:11	snurryboy	he got weird stuff like that lol
2018-12-04 14:53:06	snurryboy	i never remember any people adding to the code tho on freenode. it was all people requesting him to add features
2018-12-04 14:53:20	Naglfar	that coulbe some license related issue
2018-12-04 14:55:08	arne	arne@fuckup
2018-12-04 14:55:11	arne	.club
2018-12-04 14:56:46	jan6	you're not from down nder
2018-12-04 14:59:58	snurryboy	where am i from?
2018-12-04 15:01:29	~ben	oh yeah fuckup.club is a tilde.team domain now
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2018-12-04 18:35:48	hyperboredoubt	Hi, peoples/
2018-12-04 18:37:37	Naglfar	h hyperboredoubt 
2018-12-04 18:37:54	hyperboredoubt	Hi, Naglfar. What's happening today?
2018-12-04 18:38:29	Naglfar	today?
2018-12-04 18:38:42	Naglfar	I didn't noticed netsplits lately
2018-12-04 18:38:46	snurryboy	Hey
2018-12-04 18:38:55	Naglfar	hey snurryboy 
2018-12-04 18:38:58	~ben	heloo
2018-12-04 18:39:14	jan6	I guess it's just a normal person who has better stuff to do than leave irc connected, heh
2018-12-04 18:39:15	hyperboredoubt	Hi, snurryboy and ben.
2018-12-04 18:39:15	~ben	is there any interest in having fuckup.club be a full-fledge alias 
2018-12-04 18:39:24	hyperboredoubt	What would be on it?
2018-12-04 18:39:25	~ben	instead of a redirect
2018-12-04 18:39:39	jan6	I'd like tilde.ninja to be one, heh
2018-12-04 18:39:43	~ben	<user>.fuckup.club
2018-12-04 18:39:47	~ben	ok jan6 i can add that too
2018-12-04 18:40:07	hyperboredoubt	Does anyone here remember Ask A Ninja?
2018-12-04 18:40:12	jan6	so you can have jan6.fuckup.club or fuckup.club/~jan6 like you'd do with team
2018-12-04 18:40:18	jan6	never heard of it
2018-12-04 18:43:16	hyperboredoubt	https://neoytmnd.com/
2018-12-04 18:43:52	hyperboredoubt	https://www.youtube.com/askaninja
2018-12-04 18:49:11	~ben	ok
2018-12-04 18:49:16	~ben	https://fuckup.club
2018-12-04 18:49:49	~ben	https://jan6.fuckup.club
2018-12-04 18:49:52	~ben	etc
2018-12-04 18:51:03	jan6	yay, immah ninja niaow!
2018-12-04 18:53:16	hyperboredoubt	What is fuckup club for?
2018-12-04 18:53:28	jan6	you
2018-12-04 18:53:38	hyperboredoubt	Implications.
2018-12-04 18:53:42	jan6	;P
2018-12-04 18:53:53	jan6	but it's for anyone
2018-12-04 18:54:09	jan6	it's just alternate domain you can use instead of tilde.team
2018-12-04 18:54:43	ahriman	i like using ttm.sh for mail rather than tilde.team, it's more compact and it's a pretty domain
2018-12-04 18:55:31	jan6	^sure
2018-12-04 18:55:50	jan6	same reason why pm.me exists for protonmail for example
2018-12-04 18:56:41	~ben	heh well now you can use https://ahriman.fuckup.club/ too
2018-12-04 18:57:12	ahriman	haha
2018-12-04 18:58:30	jan6	I'd love if I could do jan6.is.tilde.ninja, lol
2018-12-04 19:02:32	hyperboredoubt	I've now bookmarked tilde.institute.
2018-12-04 19:03:04	jan6	heh
2018-12-04 19:07:19	hyperboredoubt	So many new tildes!
2018-12-04 19:07:35	hyperboredoubt	Gotta join them all -- TILDEMON!
2018-12-04 19:08:42	jan6	I wanna be, the very *text-to speech "tilde"*, that no one ever waaas
2018-12-04 19:12:45	hyperboredoubt	Someone should make a Tuxemon tilde, lol.
2018-12-04 19:13:15	hyperboredoubt	tuxemon.org/
2018-12-04 19:17:05	@cmccabe	cool, hyperboredoubt.  tuxemon looks interesting.
2018-12-04 19:20:29	jan6	you forgot https://
2018-12-04 19:21:20	murii	ben: ?
2018-12-04 19:21:30	murii	Error 1709: Index column size too large. The maximum column size is 767 bytes.
2018-12-04 19:21:32	~ben	murii: ?
2018-12-04 19:21:36	murii	from gitea 
2018-12-04 19:21:40	murii	while intalling it
2018-12-04 19:21:46	murii	I set 'user' to innodb
2018-12-04 19:22:22	~ben	hm?
2018-12-04 19:22:30	hyperboredoubt	Hi, murii.
2018-12-04 19:22:45	murii	I'm trying to get pass through Initial Configuration on installing gitea
2018-12-04 19:23:13	murii	I'm using MySQL
2018-12-04 19:25:30	jan6	where are you installing gitea and why?
2018-12-04 19:25:46	~ben	idk i didn't run into that
2018-12-04 19:26:03	~ben	check if there are any issues here: https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea
2018-12-04 19:26:48	~ben	i'm using mysql too
2018-12-04 19:27:28	murii	what version?
2018-12-04 19:27:31	murii	I have 1.6.0
2018-12-04 19:27:44	~ben	1.6.0
2018-12-04 19:27:48	murii	:\
2018-12-04 19:27:55	~ben	i set it up a couple version ago though
2018-12-04 19:28:04	~ben	idk
2018-12-04 19:42:43	murii	http://chill-tilde.ddns.net:3001/murii
2018-12-04 19:42:46	murii	:O
2018-12-04 20:03:37	hyperboredoubt	What is that?
2018-12-04 20:05:06	dokuja	lol ytmnd
2018-12-04 20:05:30	~ben	ytmnd?
2018-12-04 20:05:53	hyperboredoubt	Murii, what is that link?
2018-12-04 20:22:53	hyperboredoubt	ttp://chill-tilde.ddns.net:3001/murii  <<--- This link, what it tis be?
2018-12-04 20:32:18	jan6	port number, aka not for me
2018-12-04 20:34:49	hyperboredoubt	Is it a BBS?
2018-12-04 20:39:43	~ben	port number doesn't work 4 me
2018-12-04 20:40:14	jan6	I'm behind port block and lazy
2018-12-04 20:41:20	hyperboredoubt	I want to know what it issss.
2018-12-04 20:45:19	~ben	did you visit it?
2018-12-04 20:46:29	jan6	ah, gitea it seems
2018-12-04 20:46:43	~ben	tildegit.org not good enough? :P
2018-12-04 20:47:01	jan6	I just curled on ~team and it looks like
2018-12-04 20:47:03	jan6	                                © Gitea Version: 1.5.0 Page: <strong>24ms</strong> Template: <strong>8ms</strong>
2018-12-04 20:47:18	~ben	?
2018-12-04 20:47:50	~ben	oh the chill-tilde one?
2018-12-04 20:47:53	~ben	that's out of date
2018-12-04 20:47:58	~ben	tildegit.org is up to 1.6
2018-12-04 20:48:02	jan6	btw, this is interesting given the claim (s)he said to be installing 1.6.0
2018-12-04 20:48:18	~ben	lies!
2018-12-04 20:48:22	jan6	14:27:27             murii | what version?
2018-12-04 20:48:24	jan6	14:27:31             murii | I have 1.6.0
2018-12-04 20:48:44	jan6	the cake is a lieeeEEEE!
2018-12-04 21:01:48	hyperboredoubt	I've yet to play Portal.
2018-12-04 21:06:54	jan6	don't play it
2018-12-04 21:06:59	jan6	play portal 2 instead
2018-12-04 21:09:49	hyperboredoubt	That could be good.
2018-12-04 21:10:16	jan6	now you're thinking with portals!
2018-12-04 21:27:58	murii	I just played portal 2
2018-12-04 21:28:40	murii	I went with 1.6.0 first
2018-12-04 21:28:41	jan6	and?
2018-12-04 21:28:49	jan6	is the cake a lie?
2018-12-04 21:28:58	murii	some MySQL crap and I thought on switching to 1.5.0 
2018-12-04 21:29:02	murii	same result
2018-12-04 21:29:08	murii	so I switched to sqlite3
2018-12-04 21:29:10	murii	that works
2018-12-04 21:29:27	jan6	sqlite is the best
2018-12-04 21:29:57	~ben	sqlite is pretty great tbh
2018-12-04 21:30:02	murii	today I made my own simple tilde
2018-12-04 21:30:03	jan6	if possible, and the thing's not gonna be much used, always go for sqlite imo
2018-12-04 21:30:05	murii	using a RPI 3 B+
2018-12-04 21:30:08	~ben	you should go back to 1.6
2018-12-04 21:30:14	murii	I will now
2018-12-04 21:33:51	murii	done
2018-12-04 21:34:03	murii	what should I use for mails?
2018-12-04 21:34:16	murii	a mailing system
2018-12-04 21:34:41	snurryboy	I just bought a pi 3 b cause sale on arrow
2018-12-04 21:34:50	snurryboy	35$aud shipped free fedex
2018-12-04 21:34:53	snurryboy	Well 34
2018-12-04 21:34:55	murii	b +?
2018-12-04 21:35:03	snurryboy	Nah
2018-12-04 21:35:11	snurryboy	That was like 13$ extra
2018-12-04 21:35:41	murii	if anyone wants to join let me a pm
2018-12-04 21:35:41	snurryboy	I wouldn’t really notice the upgrade that much especially since I haven’t had one befor
2018-12-04 21:35:51	murii	better cpu and heat disparser
2018-12-04 21:36:01	snurryboy	Regular 3 b will be enough for me
2018-12-04 21:36:06	murii	sure
2018-12-04 21:36:08	~ben	murii: postfix
2018-12-04 21:36:19	murii	oh,good,I have that installed
2018-12-04 21:36:25	murii	got to configure it tomorrow
2018-12-04 21:37:21	~ben	if you need help, holler
2018-12-04 21:37:29	murii	ty
2018-12-04 21:37:52	murii	I need help regarding the terminal, I want to have buffers like team has
2018-12-04 21:38:06	~ben	just got tómasino set up with postfix on cosmic.voyage the other day
2018-12-04 21:38:13	~ben	murii: apt install byobu
2018-12-04 21:38:35	murii	that's a terminal emulator?
2018-12-04 21:38:40	~ben	?
2018-12-04 21:38:46	murii	byobu
2018-12-04 21:38:50	~ben	it's a wrapper for tmux/screen
2018-12-04 21:38:57	murii	oh
2018-12-04 21:38:58	~ben	it's what ~team launches by default 
2018-12-04 21:39:08	~ben	terminal emulator is what you use in x11
2018-12-04 21:39:11	~ben	or wayland
2018-12-04 21:39:19	~ben	and since it's just a shell, there's no terminal emulator
2018-12-04 21:39:27	murii	what about the fancy status on the bottom of the screen?
2018-12-04 21:39:50	~ben	that's byobu's default
2018-12-04 21:39:51	murii	grep and awk of some kind?
2018-12-04 21:39:53	murii	oh
2018-12-04 21:40:01	murii	cool
2018-12-04 21:40:06	~ben	yeah byobu is good shit
2018-12-04 21:40:16	murii	seems like
2018-12-04 21:40:22	murii	I'll add it first thing in the morning
2018-12-04 21:40:39	~ben	yup
2018-12-04 21:40:49	murii	any other tips?
2018-12-04 21:40:52	~ben	um
2018-12-04 21:40:53	murii	like how to manage users?
2018-12-04 21:41:09	murii	that being my and myself as of now
2018-12-04 21:41:17	~ben	https://tildegit.org/team/makeuser/src/branch/bash-edition
2018-12-04 21:41:18	murii	you got some scripts for setting a user?
2018-12-04 21:41:19	~ben	have a look
2018-12-04 21:41:34	murii	ok
2018-12-04 21:42:57	murii	nice,nice
2018-12-04 21:43:07	murii	was thinking at something similar as well
2018-12-04 21:44:56	~ben	the toot program is required too
2018-12-04 21:45:01	~ben	cat $(which toot) 
2018-12-04 21:45:04	~ben	here on ~team ^
2018-12-04 21:45:33	murii	for hosting pictures and text what do you suggest?
2018-12-04 21:45:38	murii	I need something lightweight
2018-12-04 21:46:47	~ben	nginx
2018-12-04 21:47:04	~ben	best all purpose webserver by far
2018-12-04 21:47:06	ahriman	nginx++; it's really lightweight and easy to configure
2018-12-04 21:47:16	~ben	apache is fine but it's probably a bit heavy for a pi
2018-12-04 21:47:26	murii	I run apache
2018-12-04 21:47:36	~ben	switch to nginx
2018-12-04 21:47:50	~ben	you'll save quite a bit on system resources and get a speed boost for static assets
2018-12-04 21:48:11	~ben	from some super simple test, nginx is 2 to 3 times faster for static assets
2018-12-04 21:48:15	murii	ok, I'll have a look at it
2018-12-04 21:48:20	murii	oh
2018-12-04 21:48:23	~ben	and about the same as apache for dynamic stuff like php
2018-12-04 21:50:32	snurryboy	I like byobu tabs but I hated it connecting to weechat and mail every time
2018-12-04 21:51:31	~ben	you can change that
2018-12-04 21:51:48	~ben	or just don't kill the whole session
2018-12-04 21:51:51	murii	where are incidents reported eg doing sudo
2018-12-04 21:51:56	~ben	mail to root
2018-12-04 21:52:13	murii	nice
2018-12-04 21:52:22	~ben	you'll want to set something up in /etc/aliases
2018-12-04 21:52:41	~ben	snurryboy: byobu is meant to be left running and you just detach from it 
2018-12-04 21:55:55	snurryboy	Yea I have it set up to stay detached atm
2018-12-04 21:56:18	snurryboy	But I coulda sworn even when I quit weechat next time I logged in it loaded it again
2018-12-04 22:01:42	murii	ben: rc.local from etc/ is good for booting scripts?
2018-12-04 22:02:08	~ben	snurryboy: that only happens if you kill the whole session and you start a new one
2018-12-04 22:02:12	~ben	murii: ?
2018-12-04 22:02:14	~ben	what distro??
2018-12-04 22:02:17	murii	debian
2018-12-04 22:02:29	~ben	what kind of scripts
2018-12-04 22:02:33	~ben	just use a systemd service
2018-12-04 22:02:37	murii	like starting gitea
2018-12-04 22:02:41	snurryboy	Yea but eventually I’m gonna logout for whatever reason
2018-12-04 22:03:01	snurryboy	It’d be nice to be able to set up a blank byobu by default
2018-12-04 22:03:10	~ben	murii: systemd service
2018-12-04 22:03:15	murii	ok
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2018-12-04 22:04:09	~ben	snurryboy: edit ~/.byobu/.tmux.conf
2018-12-04 22:04:34	snurryboy	Ah cool I’ll check it out next time I’m on my comp
2018-12-04 22:04:44	benharri	good deal
2018-12-04 22:04:53	benharri	this is my test account with the default configs :P
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2018-12-04 23:22:20	hyperboredoubt	Hi, project3 .
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2018-12-05 00:11:51	hyperboredoubt	*pokes*
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2018-12-05 02:43:41	arne	any team admins here?
2018-12-05 02:44:01	arne	also does team have X11
2018-12-05 02:44:11	arne	i want to compile plan9port for my own user
2018-12-05 02:58:43	~ben	meeee
2018-12-05 02:58:48	~ben	um
2018-12-05 02:58:53	~ben	i don't think so
2018-12-05 02:59:00	~ben	i think i removed it at one point
2018-12-05 02:59:07	~ben	if you need a package installed i can do that
2018-12-05 03:03:50	arne	ben ill pm u a key can u put it in mah user
2018-12-05 03:03:57	~ben	wot
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2018-12-05 05:41:10	edwardthefma	Sup all
2018-12-05 05:41:36	fosslinux	o/ edwardthefma
2018-12-05 05:41:39	fosslinux	whats up
2018-12-05 06:11:35	ahriman	hello edwardthefma 
2018-12-05 06:12:24	fosslinux	ben: how long did you ban brendan for
2018-12-05 06:12:35	~ben	through the end of the year
2018-12-05 06:12:37	~ben	why
2018-12-05 06:12:40	fosslinux	k
2018-12-05 06:12:42	fosslinux	just wondering
2018-12-05 06:12:51	~ben	oh
2018-12-05 06:12:53	~ben	ok
2018-12-05 06:13:02	fosslinux	on #thunix slipyx pinged him
2018-12-05 06:13:12	fosslinux	he said holding out tiredly
2018-12-05 06:14:38	~ben	oh ok
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2018-12-05 06:50:41	fosslinux	rip
2018-12-05 07:10:03	edwardthefma	Its fucking cold outside
2018-12-05 07:16:39	~ben	lol try -20 and then get back to me
2018-12-05 07:20:03	ahriman	ben's swinging his ice cold balls again
2018-12-05 07:20:09	~ben	:o
2018-12-05 07:20:11	fosslinux	??????????
2018-12-05 07:20:13	~ben	something like that
2018-12-05 07:20:25	 *	fosslinux moves away from ahriman
2018-12-05 07:20:27	~ben	lol i just find it strange to hear people complain about stuff that isn't actually cold
2018-12-05 07:20:29	ahriman	fosslinux: ball swinging is bragging / posturing
2018-12-05 07:20:54	ahriman	it's cold when you're accustomed to southern summers
2018-12-05 07:21:09	~ben	tru
2018-12-05 07:21:10	fosslinux	another term i've never heard
2018-12-05 07:21:20	fosslinux	i took that the complete wrong way
2018-12-05 07:22:22	ahriman	1) it wasn't sexual, 2) don't be a homophobe, fosslinux
2018-12-05 07:22:47	fosslinux	im not
2018-12-05 07:24:01	~ben	slang is different everywhere i suppose
2018-12-05 07:24:27	fosslinux	at my school thats common talk lol
2018-12-05 07:24:28	ahriman	fosslinux is getting American Slang 101 tonight
2018-12-05 07:24:33	fosslinux	:P
2018-12-05 07:24:56	~ben	tbh i hadn't heard dap before tonight either ahriman 
2018-12-05 07:25:02	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-05 07:25:05	ahriman	for real?!
2018-12-05 07:25:07	~ben	yeah
2018-12-05 07:25:11	~ben	fr
2018-12-05 07:25:14	fosslinux	did you know of the action ben?
2018-12-05 07:25:32	~ben	i mean there's different greetings you can use
2018-12-05 07:25:50	ahriman	oh i forgot, i grew up in an urban, big city where a lot of AAVE gets mixed in with more common slang
2018-12-05 07:26:10	fosslinux	oh right
2018-12-05 07:26:24	~ben	and i'm from a very non-diverse area
2018-12-05 07:26:31	~ben	we get finnish words instead lol
2018-12-05 07:26:38	~ben	like sisu
2018-12-05 07:26:41	ahriman	throw some finnish at me and im lost
2018-12-05 07:26:45	~ben	and Kantapää
2018-12-05 07:26:47	ahriman	yep im lost
2018-12-05 07:26:53	~ben	figured that one out thanks to SinaCutie 
2018-12-05 07:27:04	~ben	apparently it means the heel of a sock
2018-12-05 07:27:13	fosslinux	wat the heck
2018-12-05 07:27:17	~ben	but my whole family uses it to refer to the end piece of a loaf of bread
2018-12-05 07:27:19	fosslinux	when would you need that
2018-12-05 07:27:27	ahriman	weirdly specific words for $600, alex
2018-12-05 07:27:54	~ben	but we've always pronounced it slightly wrong; more like gundaba
2018-12-05 07:29:07	SinaCutie	It can also be used for the bread heel yeah
2018-12-05 07:29:43	~ben	heh
2018-12-05 07:29:54	~ben	fun to figure out a weird thing your family says
2018-12-05 07:30:01	SinaCutie	"gundaba" to me sounds more like southeastern Finland accent, mixed with generational corruption. xD
2018-12-05 07:30:07	SinaCutie	*Southwestern
2018-12-05 07:30:13	~ben	heh that's very possible!
2018-12-05 07:30:23	~ben	i was half considering calling grant and martha on a way with words
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2018-12-05 12:43:31	snurryboy	hey ben do you know how to install rtorrent+rutorrent with seperate users? i'm trying to look for a way to compile it myself in my directory but i'm not finding anything yet that doesn't need sudo. i've got a friend who's ratio is fucked on IPT and I wanna get it back into the positive for her. i don't actually need to seed a bunch of data the regular way; what I wanna do is just get a handful of tiny files like ebooks that have no leeches and keep them in
2018-12-05 12:43:32	snurryboy	 seed status. you get a set amount of bonus points per torrent per hour you're seeding them regardless of data transfer and I can have her trade them in for upload buffer.
2018-12-05 12:44:01	arne	i'll make a bot in rc
2018-12-05 12:44:06	arne	bcoz I'm cool
2018-12-05 12:44:13	snurryboy	i need a remote machine to do the seeding so they don't figure out its me doing it for her
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2018-12-05 13:51:43	jan6	arne: you look cool, but ARE you cool?
2018-12-05 14:38:58	khuxkm|lounge	no torrenting on tilde.team
2018-12-05 14:39:24	khuxkm|lounge	if it's small files, use a t2.micro on AWS
2018-12-05 14:39:29	khuxkm|lounge	it's not too expensive
2018-12-05 14:42:01	jan6	just wondering, WHY no torrenting?
2018-12-05 14:43:43	arne	jan6 i am cool
2018-12-05 14:43:48	khuxkm|lounge	is bad
2018-12-05 14:44:00	khuxkm|lounge	not to mention someone could lie about why they were doing it
2018-12-05 14:48:59	jan6	why's it "bad"?
2018-12-05 14:49:55	jan6	as long as it's not uploading then it's fine imo, (well, possibly very little seeding)
2018-12-05 16:51:38	ubergeek	do you need full X11, or just x11-base?
2018-12-05 16:51:53	ubergeek	gah, strike the last
2018-12-05 16:52:00	ubergeek	pg dn is hard
2018-12-05 16:54:31	~ben	lol
2018-12-05 16:54:39	~ben	i mean i can install it if you need
2018-12-05 16:54:44	~ben	whichever package
2018-12-05 17:03:36	jan6	lol, run firefox on ~team, ssh forward ;P
2018-12-05 17:05:33	~ben	seems like an interesting idea
2018-12-05 17:05:49	jan6	I tried to run minecraft on my lxc
2018-12-05 17:05:57	jan6	network lag is real
2018-12-05 17:06:04	jan6	also got real low frames
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2018-12-05 17:06:40	jan6	seems the server ain't fit for 3d game rendering, lol
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2018-12-05 17:07:16	jan6	I bet anything you throw on there will WORK, the question is, "HOW WELL"
2018-12-05 17:07:25	~ben	there's no graphics card
2018-12-05 17:07:28	~ben	what did you expect
2018-12-05 17:07:36	~ben	wb anarchmellow 
2018-12-05 17:09:14	jan6	sure, lol
2018-12-05 17:10:01	jan6	I do think there is kinda integrated graphics probably, cause I doubt mc will use cpu rendering even in a pinch
2018-12-05 17:11:25	~ben	there is
2018-12-05 17:11:28	~ben	it's an i7 
2018-12-05 17:11:39	~ben	so probably intel hd graphics 4000 or whatever
2018-12-05 17:14:22	anarchmellow	What does "wb" means ?
2018-12-05 17:14:49	~ben	welcome back
2018-12-05 17:16:55	ubergeek	Fwiw, if remote X sessions are desired, as a feature here, x2go is the way to go, rather than X forwarding alone
2018-12-05 17:17:27	ubergeek	Lag is really bad over the internet, because X is chatty as fsck
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2018-12-05 17:26:47	~ben	yeah especially when you have ping > 30ms 
2018-12-05 17:35:49	anarchmellow	ah, thanks ben x) It's because I need to change my IP sometimes :)
2018-12-05 17:37:37	~ben	heh no problem
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2018-12-05 17:39:29	jan6	I have high 40-low 50 ping
2018-12-05 17:40:59	~ben	oh wow that's really good
2018-12-05 17:41:02	~ben	lucky
2018-12-05 17:41:05	~ben	you might be able to
2018-12-05 17:41:09	~ben	i get 130ms
2018-12-05 17:41:11	~ben	ish
2018-12-05 17:42:17	ubergeek	jan6: are you in europe?
2018-12-05 17:42:25	~ben	he's in .ee iirc
2018-12-05 17:42:54	ubergeek	that would make sense then
2018-12-05 17:42:59	jan6	y.ee/ah
2018-12-05 17:43:01	ubergeek	isn't ~team in the EU?
2018-12-05 17:43:07	jan6	germany, yeah
2018-12-05 17:43:19	~ben	yep
2018-12-05 17:43:22	~ben	.de
2018-12-05 17:43:26	jan6	only has to travel through like, a third of euroe, lol
2018-12-05 17:44:00	ubergeek	better than a sat jump, and shorter than the fiber strung across the pond for me :)
2018-12-05 17:44:40	~ben	i bet you'd have the best ping to ny1.hashbang.sh ubergeek 
2018-12-05 17:45:11	~ben	i get 30ms to that box
2018-12-05 17:45:27	~ben	to1.hashbang.sh is even closer for me
2018-12-05 17:51:20	ubergeek	lemme see...
2018-12-05 17:52:03	ubergeek	rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 42.597/42.892/43.526/0.386 ms
2018-12-05 17:52:28	ubergeek	I think it's the ping response tariff at play here.  10ms latency to cross the border
2018-12-05 17:52:30	ubergeek	:P
2018-12-05 17:53:19	jan6	Ping Sheriff
2018-12-05 18:00:10	~ben	i wonder why mine is so good
2018-12-05 18:00:18	~ben	i get sub 30 to to1
2018-12-05 18:00:32	~ben	i'm guessing sub 20 to ny1 for you
2018-12-05 18:11:23	ahriman	i get right at 30ms to to1 for hashbang
2018-12-05 18:12:32	ahriman	21-26ms to ny1, so they have really awesome routing wherever they are
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2018-12-05 18:19:59	~ben	nice n quik
2018-12-05 18:21:29	jan6	neinti squix
2018-12-05 18:21:54	~ben	o
2018-12-05 18:34:08	ubergeek	Yeah, but to1 should be quick for me...
2018-12-05 18:34:19	ubergeek	unless my connection just has crap latency
2018-12-05 18:34:25	ubergeek	or congested (A possibility)
2018-12-05 18:36:11	~ben	very possibley
2018-12-05 20:36:33	robdrake	ben, one of my community members is wanting to connect to the irc server via non-ssl, what's the url and port?
2018-12-05 20:36:48	~ben	you need to be at a shell on one of the member tildes
2018-12-05 20:36:55	~ben	external access is ssl-only
2018-12-05 20:37:00	robdrake	ok
2018-12-05 20:37:09	~ben	https://tilde.chat/wiki/?page=servers
2018-12-05 20:37:46	~ben	pretty much all clients should support ssl though
2018-12-05 20:38:06	~ben	they can use the web chat in the meantime: https://web.tilde.chat/
2018-12-05 20:39:19	robdrake	he's trying to connect
2018-12-05 20:43:38	robdrake	jack3 is the guy I was talking about
2018-12-05 20:48:37	~ben	looks like he's using webchat?
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2018-12-05 21:43:47	~ben	welcome to the tilde team jack31 !!
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2018-12-05 22:25:49	aewens	My IPv32 blog post: https://tilde.team/~aewens/blog/ipv32.html
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2018-12-05 23:08:59	cognifice	Yo.
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2018-12-06 02:06:07	cognifice	Hi, people.
2018-12-06 02:25:00	ahriman	Hello cognifice
2018-12-06 02:27:12	cognifice	Hi, ahriman.
2018-12-06 02:27:21	ahriman	How goes it
2018-12-06 02:28:37	cognifice	Okay.
2018-12-06 02:34:11	edwardthefma	!w
2018-12-06 02:34:24	edwardthefma	!weather
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2018-12-06 02:59:40	~ben	y0x3y: yo
2018-12-06 02:59:54	~ben	i got your email today and totally forgot that i had already made your account
2018-12-06 03:00:19	~ben	if you haven't lost access to your shell you can add your own keys :)
2018-12-06 03:36:28	@cmccabe	ahoy mateys
2018-12-06 03:37:12	~ben	yo cmccabe 
2018-12-06 03:37:14	~ben	how goes it
2018-12-06 03:37:51	@cmccabe	not bad. had the day off today and got tons done.
2018-12-06 03:37:54	@cmccabe	you?
2018-12-06 03:37:59	~ben	ooo nice
2018-12-06 03:38:04	~ben	not too much today
2018-12-06 03:38:34	~ben	i grabbed a super cheap open-box rig for $180 at bestbuy that i plan on using as a media server
2018-12-06 03:38:42	~ben	still figuring out software for it
2018-12-06 03:38:55	@cmccabe	nice
2018-12-06 03:39:36	~ben	now playing a new videogame before advent of code at midnight
2018-12-06 03:40:30	@cmccabe	sounds like there are a number ~team people doing AoC now
2018-12-06 03:40:39	~ben	yeah!
2018-12-06 03:40:45	~ben	i'm on three leaderboards now lol
2018-12-06 03:41:16	~ben	one for here (tilde.chat, not just ~team), another for ~town, and another for https://lobste.rs
2018-12-06 03:43:44	@cmccabe	awesome
2018-12-06 03:44:05	@cmccabe	the last time i did a code challenge was projet euler.  that thing is addictive.
2018-12-06 03:48:17	cognifice	Cmccabe, are you on Cosmic Voyage yet?
2018-12-06 03:48:25	cognifice	Or ben?
2018-12-06 03:48:42	@cmccabe	hi cognifice. i'm on but i haven't sent any transmissions yet.
2018-12-06 03:48:47	~ben	i am, but i haven't written a second post yet
2018-12-06 03:48:54	~ben	i really oughtta
2018-12-06 03:49:02	cognifice	How did you post it?
2018-12-06 03:49:03	~ben	project euler is cool
2018-12-06 03:49:07	~ben	hm?
2018-12-06 03:49:10	cognifice	I keep forgetting.
2018-12-06 03:49:15	~ben	i just wrote in vim and ran log
2018-12-06 03:49:24	cognifice	I don't know how to run log.
2018-12-06 03:49:32	~ben	just type log
2018-12-06 03:49:34	~ben	and hit enter
2018-12-06 03:49:55	cognifice	I did.
2018-12-06 03:50:14	cognifice	aureolin@cosmic:~$ ls ~
2018-12-06 03:50:16	cognifice	Ours_is_the_chimera.txt   in_signal_promise.txt  ships
2018-12-06 03:50:18	cognifice	Ours_is_this_chimera.txt  mail
2018-12-06 03:50:20	cognifice	aureolin@cosmic:~$ ls in_signal_promise.txt
2018-12-06 03:50:22	cognifice	in_signal_promise.txt
2018-12-06 03:50:24	cognifice	aureolin@cosmic:~$ log in_signal_promise.txt
2018-12-06 03:50:26	cognifice	INITIALIZING QEC...
2018-12-06 03:50:28	cognifice	Ready to transmit for [aureolin]
2018-12-06 03:50:30	cognifice	>> Murmur Den .... No messages.
2018-12-06 03:50:32	cognifice	aureolin@cosmic:~$
2018-12-06 03:50:34	cognifice	aureolin@cosmic:~$
2018-12-06 03:50:45	~ben	the .txt files need to be in the ship folder
2018-12-06 03:50:54	cognifice	How do I do that?
2018-12-06 03:51:09	~ben	mv <file you want to move> 'ships/Murmur Den/.'
2018-12-06 03:52:06	~ben	huh my setup must be from before he fixed it
2018-12-06 03:52:13	~ben	i have gopher instead of ships
2018-12-06 03:52:22	~ben	lol nice wall cmccabe 
2018-12-06 03:52:36	~ben	we could probably take this to #cosmic
2018-12-06 03:53:43	@cmccabe	you conformist
2018-12-06 03:55:46	~ben	lol
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2018-12-06 05:30:57	fosslinux	o/ zyeri
2018-12-06 06:30:38	zyeri	\o
2018-12-06 06:31:45	ahriman	o/~
2018-12-06 06:31:53	fosslinux	whats up
2018-12-06 06:32:14	fosslinux	zyeri: s/\o//o/
2018-12-06 06:32:25	fosslinux	zyeri: s/\\o/\/o/
2018-12-06 06:32:25	sedbot	<zyeri> /o
2018-12-06 06:33:04	zyeri	uh
2018-12-06 06:33:06	zyeri	yes?
2018-12-06 06:33:37	fosslinux	lol just testing sedbot
2018-12-06 06:33:43	zyeri	"testing"
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2018-12-06 09:53:37	y0x3y	hello everyone! im new here, my name is y0x3y. its a pleasure to meet you all
2018-12-06 09:54:37	 *	slipyx coughs
2018-12-06 09:55:37	y0x3y	quiet place?
2018-12-06 09:55:46	y0x3y	is there somewhere else i should be hanging out in?
2018-12-06 10:00:59	y0x3y	woah
2018-12-06 11:21:34	snurryboy	hey
2018-12-06 11:21:38	snurryboy	theres #meta
2018-12-06 11:21:49	snurryboy	few other places like #cosmic too
2018-12-06 11:54:34	jan6|	different timezones
2018-12-06 11:54:44	 *	jan6| @ school right now
2018-12-06 11:55:16	jan6|	other too, either sleep or work/school, most probably
2018-12-06 11:55:28	jan6|	s/\w/others/
2018-12-06 11:55:29	sedbot	<jan6|> othersther too, either sleep or work/school, most probably
2018-12-06 11:56:04	jan6|	s/ /s /
2018-12-06 11:56:05	sedbot	<jan6|> others too, either sleep or work/school, most probably
2018-12-06 12:04:40	snurryboy	what is the point of sedbot?
2018-12-06 12:04:40	 *	BabiliBot is ignoring snurryboy for reason 'Auto-banished'
2018-12-06 12:04:49	snurryboy	OH NOT YOU AGAIN
2018-12-06 12:04:50	snurryboy	BENNNNN
2018-12-06 12:05:05	snurryboy	!summon ben WTF IS BABILIBOTS PROBLEM HE AT MY ASS AGAIN
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2018-12-06 13:16:21	rgdrake	Hello
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2018-12-06 13:31:24	snurryboy	hey
2018-12-06 13:35:03	robdrake	Hello
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2018-12-06 15:45:04	~ben	snurryboy: aewens said it should be fixed 
2018-12-06 15:45:12	~ben	ping him; it's his bot :P
2018-12-06 16:07:54	snurryboy	yea i saw him pardon me
2018-12-06 16:08:06	snurryboy	dunno why it happened in the first case but oh well
2018-12-06 16:08:48	~ben	who tf knows
2018-12-06 17:05:45	aewens	It likes to autoban people who send in messages too quickly
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2018-12-06 17:43:47	zaphod	what's up ya zarkin' froods!
2018-12-06 18:18:59	ahriman	que pasa pendejo
2018-12-06 18:21:32	~ben	nada mucho
2018-12-06 18:21:34	~ben	tu?
2018-12-06 18:36:09	ahriman	nadaaaa
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2018-12-06 18:56:42	~ben	bien
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2018-12-06 20:07:19	@cmccabe	anybody want to write a tutorial on "git basics for collaborating with other tilde users"? to be part of the same series as the command-line-basics tutorial.
2018-12-06 20:14:17	~ben	ayy cmccabe i've already got one started
2018-12-06 20:14:24	~ben	https://benharri.github.io/learngit
2018-12-06 20:14:29	~ben	needs some updating for tildes
2018-12-06 20:14:40	~ben	i'd love to get something like that started
2018-12-06 20:26:23	ubergeek	cmccabe: I was going to try and work on that this weekend, since I noted the deficit this week
2018-12-06 20:26:55	~ben	let's get a cryptpad doc up and work on it together?
2018-12-06 20:51:14	ubergeek	I'm up for that, as I have time
2018-12-06 20:52:17	~ben	i'm up for cannibalizing my existing docs as well
2018-12-06 21:05:00	ubergeek	I think that is gitea specific would be a good diea too
2018-12-06 21:05:45	jan6	good diet too
2018-12-06 21:07:44	~ben	hm?
2018-12-06 21:07:48	~ben	oh i mean steal the content
2018-12-06 21:07:58	ubergeek	gitea...
2018-12-06 21:08:07	~ben	it's on github
2018-12-06 21:10:28	ubergeek	No, I mean the "how to"s tailored to a gitea instance, since that is what we use here
2018-12-06 21:10:53	ubergeek	Some ppl don't like cli git.
2018-12-06 21:16:17	jan6	porcelain it?
2018-12-06 21:25:10	~ben	i mean gitea isn't a git client
2018-12-06 21:25:23	~ben	but yeah
2018-12-06 21:32:23	ubergeek	well, it kinda is.  You can do everything there, and never touch the "git" command
2018-12-06 21:32:38	ubergeek	But I get what you're saying too
2018-12-06 21:37:33	~ben	does it have an editor on the web?
2018-12-06 21:37:42	~ben	if so, i've never used it
2018-12-06 21:38:13	~ben	woah it does
2018-12-06 21:40:01	aewens	I've now also mirrored the IPv32 thing to Medium, because why not? https://medium.com/@aewens/ipv32-4fd364df670e
2018-12-06 21:40:31	~ben	medium is kinda meh
2018-12-06 21:40:39	~ben	but nice :)
2018-12-06 21:43:34	aewens	I'm considering making a distributed blogging deployment system to maximize viewership, and one of the vectors I'm considering is Medium (along with maybe dev.to?)
2018-12-06 21:43:56	aewens	The idea being I can write it once in Markdown and push to deploy to a bunch of targets.
2018-12-06 21:46:35	ubergeek	Make a jenkins job for it!
2018-12-06 21:47:28	aewens	I've never used jenkins, so that will be a maybe
2018-12-06 21:59:22	jan6	medium ain't too bad
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2018-12-07 00:32:24	@cmccabe	ben, ubergeek - great that you're already thinking about this!
2018-12-07 01:56:07	edwardthefma	!w
2018-12-07 02:50:54	@cmccabe	maybe two tutorials. one gitea, and one cli git. 
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2018-12-07 02:54:12	cognifice	Hi, teamsters.
2018-12-07 03:27:21	Naglfar	hi cognifice 
2018-12-07 03:29:06	cognifice	Hi, Naglfar.
2018-12-07 03:30:57	~ben	and a git glossary too
2018-12-07 03:31:08	~ben	but i suppose that could just point back to the git book
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2018-12-07 11:42:28	@cmccabe	morning team8s
2018-12-07 11:47:09	snurryboy	howdy
2018-12-07 12:41:44	arne	hewo
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2018-12-07 13:29:22	tildebeast	\o
2018-12-07 13:56:50	@cmccabe	hi snurryboy, arne and tildebeast.
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2018-12-07 14:26:49	snurryboy	hows it goin
2018-12-07 14:27:17	jan6	word
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2018-12-07 14:34:02	tildebeast	ah, think i vanished again :)
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2018-12-07 14:38:16	ubergeek	grr... wish there was a way to do a cryptpad w/o js...
2018-12-07 14:41:26	tildebeast	cobol and webassembly?
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2018-12-07 14:47:28	@khuxkm|lounge	why without JS?
2018-12-07 14:47:52	ubergeek	so I can use it w/Lynx, because I'm a curmudgeon :P
2018-12-07 14:59:33	arne	Ihate js
2018-12-07 14:59:49	@khuxkm|lounge	ihate carpet
2018-12-07 14:59:59	@khuxkm|lounge	https://ihatecarpet.neocities.org/
2018-12-07 15:01:00	ubergeek	I hate carpet on hardwood floors...
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2018-12-07 16:39:57	bastiaan	hi everyone!
2018-12-07 16:40:07	jan6	hai
2018-12-07 16:40:30	jan6	#meta is the main place everyone talks, just so you know
2018-12-07 16:40:52	bastiaan	ah okay
2018-12-07 16:42:13	jan6	#team is intended for stuff relating specifically for tilde.team, though you sure CAN talk about whatever here
2018-12-07 16:43:50	bastiaan	thank you, I was wondering if I have to log in with my tilde email address because i've not been active for months
2018-12-07 16:43:57	bastiaan	or can I better ask that on #meta?
2018-12-07 16:45:45	bastiaan	on mastodon I mean*
2018-12-07 16:45:55	bastiaan	the mastodon server of tilde.team
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2018-12-07 17:08:51	ubergeek	Any argument for me installing wordgrinder on ~yourtilde?
2018-12-07 17:09:11	ubergeek	https://cowlark.com/wordgrinder/
2018-12-07 17:10:05	ubergeek	wrong channel, my bad
2018-12-07 17:34:08	~ben	bastiaan1: log in to where?
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2018-12-07 17:46:59	jan6	mastodon server isn't really for tildetalk, it's just like twitter, talk about whatever
2018-12-07 17:47:42	~ben	150 day uptime!
2018-12-07 17:59:41	aewens	!uptime
2018-12-07 17:59:46	aewens	Hmm
2018-12-07 18:04:46	bastiaan1	ben: log in to the mastodon server, I was registered once but does that account still exist?
2018-12-07 18:04:57	~ben	aewens: .
2018-12-07 18:04:59	~ben	.uptime
2018-12-07 18:04:59	zaphod	 13:04:59 up 150 days, 15:52, 225 users,  load average: 0.65, 0.71, 1.44
2018-12-07 18:05:10	aewens	Oh, well then
2018-12-07 18:05:35	~ben	bastiaan1: i don't see you on there
2018-12-07 18:05:39	bastiaan1	if you look in htop, it says 150 days! in another color
2018-12-07 18:05:47	~ben	just make another account, sorry!
2018-12-07 18:06:14	bastiaan1	ben: that's okay, no problem :)
2018-12-07 18:06:30	~ben	sorry about that
2018-12-07 18:06:37	~ben	that must've been a while ago
2018-12-07 18:06:37	bastiaan1	I see you changed a lot in the months that I was not here
2018-12-07 18:06:45	bastiaan1	ben: yes it was months ago
2018-12-07 18:06:47	~ben	lol yeah, there's been a lot going on!
2018-12-07 18:07:01	~ben	https://tilde.team/news/
2018-12-07 18:07:04	~ben	some updates here
2018-12-07 18:07:07	bastiaan1	ben: it is a lot nicer now, thank you for all the work!
2018-12-07 18:07:16	~ben	:)
2018-12-07 18:07:28	~ben	thanks!
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2018-12-08 00:28:31	@cmccabe	happy friday peoples
2018-12-08 00:29:23	~ben	happy 150days uptime!
2018-12-08 00:32:41	@cmccabe	whoop whoop
2018-12-08 00:35:58	tomasino	whooo
2018-12-08 00:36:15	tomasino	cosmic just hit 2 weeks
2018-12-08 00:36:24	 *	tomasino says two weeks like in Total Recall
2018-12-08 00:43:38	@cmccabe	115 days on rawtext.club
2018-12-08 00:44:52	tomasino	oooh, nice
2018-12-08 00:45:58	@cmccabe	doesn't really count though because it's not in active use
2018-12-08 01:44:11	ubergeek	ben: https://pad.tildeverse.org/code/#/2/code/edit/41XKgKz2-OIxAGiPbQ8IPTlb/
2018-12-08 01:58:38	~ben	heh fair enough ;)
2018-12-08 01:58:45	~ben	I'm out for drinks
2018-12-08 01:58:50	~ben	I'll have a look when I get home
2018-12-08 02:14:52	ubergeek	no worries, and no rush.  enjoy drinks
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2018-12-08 02:25:02	cognifice	Hi, again.
2018-12-08 02:26:51	ubergeek	EHLO cognifice.team
2018-12-08 02:27:03	ubergeek	220 OK
2018-12-08 02:27:05	ubergeek	:P
2018-12-08 02:27:15	cognifice	What?
2018-12-08 02:27:28	ubergeek	nm, nerd joke
2018-12-08 02:27:37	ubergeek	Beginning of a SMTP session :)
2018-12-08 02:27:43	cognifice	What is SMTP?
2018-12-08 02:28:11	ubergeek	email protocol
2018-12-08 02:28:22	cognifice	Cool.
2018-12-08 02:28:48	cognifice	Do people not hyphenate "e-mail" these days? It seems weird without it.
2018-12-08 02:31:53	ubergeek	eh...  I don't, personally.
2018-12-08 02:38:07	@cmccabe	i prefer to call it by its full name, electronic mail.
2018-12-08 02:41:44	ubergeek	:P
2018-12-08 02:42:44	cognifice	Corriel In French, "courrier électronique".
2018-12-08 03:06:34	fosslinux	lol cmccabe
2018-12-08 03:18:51	ahriman	I still use carrier pigeons
2018-12-08 03:19:22	fosslinux	carrier pigeons ftw :P
2018-12-08 03:23:27	cognifice	Do you at least feed them ,lol?
2018-12-08 03:23:47	ubergeek	IPv4 over Carrier pidgeon
2018-12-08 03:24:07	ubergeek	https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2549
2018-12-08 03:27:33	fosslinux	omf 
2018-12-08 03:27:37	fosslinux	thats nuts
2018-12-08 03:30:57	ubergeek	It was submitted on April 1 :)
2018-12-08 03:34:02	fosslinux	i realised :P
2018-12-08 03:34:09	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-08 03:40:28	ubergeek	But that someone wrote it up, that take effort :)
2018-12-08 03:42:02	aewens	{ipv32}
2018-12-08 03:42:02	cirno	https://aewens.tilde.team/blog/ipv32.html
2018-12-08 03:42:30	ubergeek	aewens: I read that, and was thinking the whole time... "He did the math..."
2018-12-08 03:43:03	aewens	Someone had to do it xD
2018-12-08 03:46:17	fosslinux	read it
2018-12-08 03:46:18	fosslinux	lmao
2018-12-08 03:46:34	fosslinux	yes dont you love it when the ip is bigger than the site itself
2018-12-08 03:49:11	aewens	Yeah, especially when it happens to star with the IP version you're researching
2018-12-08 03:49:26	aewens	s/star/start/
2018-12-08 03:49:26	sedbot	<aewens> Yeah, especially when it happens to start with the IP version you're researching
2018-12-08 04:27:42	ahriman	aewens: i just read that whole damn article
2018-12-08 04:28:15	ahriman	in the future it won't be nostradamus or lady ada lovelace or charles babbage, it'll be this little-known oracle who went by the pseudonym aewens 
2018-12-08 04:28:36	ahriman	IPvAewens
2018-12-08 04:30:21	aewens	For the record, it's not a pseudonym, it's my name. See https://aewens.com
2018-12-08 04:30:38	aewens	Also, I'm glad you appreciated the article! xD
2018-12-08 04:45:38	ubergeek	aewens: you should take the one wulfcomputers off there
2018-12-08 04:45:45	ubergeek	looks like the deadened the lin
2018-12-08 04:45:48	ubergeek	*link
2018-12-08 04:47:23	aewens	Whoops, forgot the .html part. Nice catch! Updating it now
2018-12-08 04:49:17	aewens	Fixed. Closing ticket
2018-12-08 04:50:39	ubergeek	o7
2018-12-08 04:51:01	ubergeek	at least you know people don't ignore you :)
2018-12-08 04:51:37	ahriman	i was about to say something about the wulf computers link
2018-12-08 04:52:09	ahriman	"i am a modern day wizard" haha
2018-12-08 04:53:04	ubergeek	Better than my tagline:  "I'm a plumber.  I work on digital plumbing."
2018-12-08 04:53:14	aewens	I have a whole think about that I was going to make a blog post for.
2018-12-08 04:53:43	ahriman	sure sure, im sure it was a joke and you don't actually think youre a wizard. /side-eye
2018-12-08 04:54:14	aewens	I'll drop the rought draft into a ttm link, one sec
2018-12-08 04:54:30	ahriman	ill read it when i get back from this cigret
2018-12-08 04:54:36	aewens	Wait, I think I left that on my other computer... for another day!
2018-12-08 05:00:51	ahriman	damn
2018-12-08 05:11:42	cognifice	Hi, ahriman.
2018-12-08 05:12:52	ahriman	hey cognifice!
2018-12-08 05:13:56	ahriman	how are you
2018-12-08 05:21:16	cognifice	I am good. I've been checking out sites on http://wiby.me .
2018-12-08 05:25:53	ahriman	oh cool!!
2018-12-08 05:30:12	ahriman	nostalgia alert
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2018-12-08 05:45:43	cognifice	Enjoy!
2018-12-08 05:46:17	ahriman	gucci, cognifice 
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2018-12-08 19:40:38	jackomix3	hello
2018-12-08 19:40:46	jackomix3	how can i see the errors for php?
2018-12-08 19:46:42	jan6	what do you need it for?
2018-12-08 19:47:49	jackomix3	i'm trying out php
2018-12-08 19:48:01	jackomix3	and this code won't work
2018-12-08 19:48:03	jackomix3	<?php 
2018-12-08 19:48:03	jackomix3	                foreach($phpfiles as $phpfile) {
2018-12-08 19:48:03	jackomix3	                    echo "<a href=$phpfile>".basename($phpfile)."</a>";
2018-12-08 19:48:03	jackomix3	                }
2018-12-08 19:48:03	jackomix3	            ?>
2018-12-08 19:48:41	ubergeek	when you do open the file handle?
2018-12-08 19:49:05	ubergeek	or read in the data?
2018-12-08 19:49:08	jackomix3	no where i guess lol
2018-12-08 19:49:18	jackomix3	i just got an answer from stack overflow]
2018-12-08 19:49:42	ubergeek	Oh, that code doesn't really do anything.  Seems like you're trying to get a dir list, and create a set of links?
2018-12-08 19:52:28	jackomix3	yeah
2018-12-08 19:52:34	ubergeek	I *believe* this is close to what you're looking for: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2922954/getting-the-names-of-all-files-in-a-directory-with-php
2018-12-08 19:52:53	jan6	I have a direcotry listing script on my page, that might help
2018-12-08 19:53:06	jackomix3	what's the page?
2018-12-08 19:53:20	jackomix3	or code i guess
2018-12-08 19:53:31	jan6	~jan6/public_html/index.php
2018-12-08 19:53:37	jan6	just my index page
2018-12-08 19:53:40	jackomix3	ok
2018-12-08 19:54:05	jan6	I use is just so I can blacklist a few files and style the list however I want
2018-12-08 19:54:23	jan6	it came from mostly stackoverflow too I think ;P
2018-12-08 19:54:29	jackomix3	how can i see the code?
2018-12-08 19:55:20	jan6	well, however you want! it should be readable to all
2018-12-08 19:55:41	jan6	cat or nano or even scp it to your local machine, I guess
2018-12-08 19:59:27	jackomix3	ok
2018-12-08 20:34:47	~ben	o/
2018-12-08 20:34:56	~ben	i suppose i could turn on php errors
2018-12-08 20:35:15	~ben	but that loop you posted earlier was referencing an undefined variable
2018-12-08 20:35:58	fosslinux	ben: is it ok if i build ungoogled chromium (https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium) on ~team instead of my (no-so-beefy) home computer?
2018-12-08 20:36:08	fosslinux	it will use around ~10GB of disk space temporarily
2018-12-08 20:36:16	fosslinux	*temporarily*
2018-12-08 20:36:16	~ben	um
2018-12-08 20:36:18	~ben	sure
2018-12-08 20:36:22	fosslinux	k thanks
2018-12-08 20:36:38	~ben	thanks for asking
2018-12-08 20:36:51	fosslinux	:D
2018-12-08 20:37:18	fosslinux	ill only use one core
2018-12-08 20:40:11	jan6	good
2018-12-08 20:41:00	fosslinux	hehe don't want to crash/overload/make unsuable for everyone else ~team
2018-12-08 20:41:20	fosslinux	oh rip
2018-12-08 20:41:28	fosslinux	actually screw it
2018-12-08 20:41:33	fosslinux	i have to do it on my own computer
2018-12-08 20:41:39	~ben	1 core would be appreciated
2018-12-08 20:41:44	fosslinux	because it runs a different version of glibc
2018-12-08 20:41:49	~ben	o
2018-12-08 20:41:59	fosslinux	oh well
2018-12-08 20:44:06	jan6	or use a lxc instance, courtesy of b3n ;P
2018-12-08 20:44:12	fosslinux	oh
2018-12-08 20:44:13	jan6	s/c/d/
2018-12-08 20:44:13	sedbot	<jan6> or use a lxd instance, courtesy of b3n ;P
2018-12-08 20:44:16	fosslinux	i've already got one
2018-12-08 20:44:18	jan6	^
2018-12-08 20:44:21	fosslinux	heyyy nice idea
2018-12-08 20:44:31	jan6	use your brainy thing ;
2018-12-08 20:44:34	jan6	use your brainy thing ;P
2018-12-08 20:44:37	fosslinux	owo
2018-12-08 20:44:39	fosslinux	Mem:           3814         157        2933          32         724        3657
2018-12-08 20:44:46	fosslinux	min 8G
2018-12-08 20:48:20	jan6	...
2018-12-08 20:48:28	jan6	'use free -h next time
2018-12-08 20:48:32	jan6	know your tools, lol
2018-12-08 20:49:03	fosslinux	fine fine
2018-12-08 20:49:11	fosslinux	im used to free -m lol
2018-12-08 20:54:19	jan6	-mh then, I guess
2018-12-08 20:54:22	jan6	-hm
2018-12-08 21:36:58	fosslinux	-hmmmmmm
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2018-12-08 22:07:47	~ben	wb mastergeek 
2018-12-08 22:20:16	mastergeek	hi
2018-12-08 22:31:55	~ben	how goes it
2018-12-08 22:52:23	mastergeek	kinda fine
2018-12-08 22:52:44	mastergeek	I'll have to disconnect and I still can't guarantee my periodice presence here
2018-12-08 22:53:05	mastergeek	it's nice and stuff but I first want to get my life sorted out a bit, and also find some project ideas to work on here
2018-12-08 22:53:28	mastergeek	it propbably will involve some lame neural networks for playing snake, heh
2018-12-08 22:53:32	mastergeek	see ya laterz
2018-12-08 22:55:04	~ben	heh fair enough :)
2018-12-08 22:55:08	~ben	stop by any time
2018-12-08 22:55:20	~ben	you're welcome to connect here with your normal client if you want to 
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2018-12-09 00:14:49	 *	hyperboredoubt calls the A-Team.
2018-12-09 00:21:36	~ben	are you manually joining all the channels?
2018-12-09 00:27:01	hyperboredoubt	Yes.
2018-12-09 00:31:04	~ben	oof
2018-12-09 00:31:23	~ben	try /script install autojoin.py
2018-12-09 00:31:28	~ben	then /autojoin --run
2018-12-09 00:40:05	hyperboredoubt	Maybe.
2018-12-09 00:40:18	slipyx	what
2018-12-09 00:40:48	slipyx	doesnt weechat support that internally
2018-12-09 00:43:02	hyperboredoubt	I'm just checking what channels are available.
2018-12-09 00:48:41	~ben	what do you mean maybe
2018-12-09 00:48:57	~ben	autojoin.py configures the autojoin setting
2018-12-09 00:49:00	~ben	for you
2018-12-09 00:50:46	hyperboredoubt	I just like to do it myself.
2018-12-09 00:51:08	~ben	or you could just leave your client running
2018-12-09 00:53:55	 *	ubergeek just leaves it running in byobu...
2018-12-09 00:54:02	~ben	same
2018-12-09 00:54:23	~ben	and i use autojoin.py cause it's hard to remember 120 different channels to join if i have to reboot or something
2018-12-09 00:56:13	hyperboredoubt	I don't like to leave stuff running while I am away.
2018-12-09 00:56:53	~ben	why not?
2018-12-09 00:56:56	~ben	that's the whole point
2018-12-09 00:57:11	~ben	i mean not the whole point
2018-12-09 00:57:16	~ben	but there's no reason not to
2018-12-09 00:58:04	slipyx	its not your stuff
2018-12-09 00:58:10	~ben	?
2018-12-09 00:58:17	slipyx	bens the one paying for it
2018-12-09 00:58:55	slipyx	or deepend in this case since you're on YT
2018-12-09 01:01:26	deepend	i have to pay for something?? damn.. i didnt get that memo :P 
2018-12-09 01:02:14	slipyx	you're paying for hyperboredoubt's irc existence
2018-12-09 01:02:42	deepend	damn sounds expensive. :D
2018-12-09 01:02:54	ubergeek	all 300 ms of processing time per day, when idle :)
2018-12-09 01:03:53	~ben	ubergeek: your tmux seems to be using a lot of cpu actually
2018-12-09 01:04:16	ubergeek	really?
2018-12-09 01:04:20	~ben	on here yah
2018-12-09 01:04:25	~ben	have a look at ps or htop
2018-12-09 01:04:50	ubergeek	yeah.. 5%
2018-12-09 01:05:21	~ben	it's showing as 25% on my htop
2018-12-09 01:05:31	~ben	and 113h
2018-12-09 01:05:32	~ben	huh
2018-12-09 01:05:34	~ben	whatever
2018-12-09 01:05:42	slipyx	.uptime
2018-12-09 01:05:42	zaphod	 20:05:42 up 151 days, 22:53, 213 users,  load average: 4.29, 3.63, 3.02
2018-12-09 01:05:45	ubergeek	holy carp
2018-12-09 01:05:55	slipyx	approaching critical mass
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2018-12-09 01:06:03	~ben	critical mass of?
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2018-12-09 01:07:34	~ben	https://ttm.sh/PF.jpg
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2018-12-09 01:08:33	deepend	really high load.. whats ya runnin on that system lol
2018-12-09 01:08:53	ubergeek	I'm think a really old session.
2018-12-09 01:08:53	slipyx	tmux
2018-12-09 01:08:59	slipyx	maybe some weechats
2018-12-09 01:09:01	ubergeek	seems fine now that I exited all of them
2018-12-09 01:15:22	~ben	.uptime
2018-12-09 01:15:23	zaphod	 20:15:22 up 151 days, 23:02, 214 users,  load average: 1.48, 1.71, 2.39
2018-12-09 01:15:28	~ben	it's down a bit now
2018-12-09 01:22:21	ubergeek	yeah, I killed all of my processes
2018-12-09 01:22:27	ubergeek	I think it was likely my weechat
2018-12-09 01:22:39	ubergeek	Since it has been running all that time, and tracking a scrollback
2018-12-09 01:30:31	~ben	oh no worries
2018-12-09 01:30:41	~ben	i wonder why the cpu usage was attributed to the tmux then
2018-12-09 01:31:10	ubergeek	Parent proc?
2018-12-09 01:31:20	ubergeek	Or, the tmux scrollback?
2018-12-09 01:31:50	ubergeek	I should probably set up a cron to alert me when my resource usage is...  Exhorbitant.
2018-12-09 01:35:40	fosslinux	.uptime
2018-12-09 01:35:40	zaphod	 20:35:40 up 151 days, 23:23, 213 users,  load average: 0.86, 0.81, 1.16
2018-12-09 01:35:45	fosslinux	better load average
2018-12-09 01:42:16	ubergeek	!blame ubergeek
2018-12-09 01:46:31	~ben	ehh it was fine
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2018-12-09 02:21:53	~ben	welcome to tilde.team absorto !
2018-12-09 02:22:08	ubergeek	aloha absorto 
2018-12-09 02:22:53	hyperboredoubt	Hi, absorto.
2018-12-09 02:34:35	@cmccabe	/
2018-12-09 02:34:46	~ben	/
2018-12-09 02:34:48	@cmccabe	i mean o/
2018-12-09 02:36:19	hyperboredoubt	Hi, cmccabe.
2018-12-09 02:36:26	@cmccabe	ben: when you installed gophernicus here, was it a simple install? i'm struggling with it on debian 
2018-12-09 02:36:38	@cmccabe	hi hyperboredoubt!
2018-12-09 02:36:40	~ben	cmccabe: i don't recall it being difficult at all
2018-12-09 02:36:45	~ben	make sure you're using prison edition
2018-12-09 02:37:06	@cmccabe	what is that? 
2018-12-09 02:37:17	~ben	https://github.com/kimholviala/gophernicus
2018-12-09 02:37:23	~ben	don't use prologic/gophernicus
2018-12-09 02:38:13	@cmccabe	oh, that might be my problem...
2018-12-09 02:38:21	~ben	https://github.com/kimholviala/gophernicus/blob/master/INSTALL
2018-12-09 02:38:31	~ben	the prologic one is old and unpatched
2018-12-09 02:39:07	@cmccabe	yeah, i was wondering 
2018-12-09 02:39:29	@cmccabe	will try kimholviala. danke!
2018-12-09 02:39:38	fosslinux	It Just Works ftw
2018-12-09 02:39:50	fosslinux	cmccabe: guten tag. wie geht's?
2018-12-09 02:40:03	~ben	ihr könnt auch deutsch?
2018-12-09 02:40:14	fosslinux	oh no
2018-12-09 02:40:27	fosslinux	lol i only started learning german recently
2018-12-09 02:40:29	@cmccabe	no puedo hablar aleman
2018-12-09 02:40:34	fosslinux	don't know much yet
2018-12-09 02:40:44	@cmccabe	bu hui shuo deguohua
2018-12-09 02:40:58	~ben	oh
2018-12-09 02:41:58	fosslinux	:P
2018-12-09 02:42:09	hyperboredoubt	Mi ne parolas la germanan lingvon.
2018-12-09 02:42:41	fosslinux	hyperboredoubt: s/Mi ne/miene/
2018-12-09 02:42:42	sedbot	<hyperboredoubt> miene parolas la germanan lingvon.
2018-12-09 02:42:47	fosslinux	whoops
2018-12-09 02:42:57	hyperboredoubt	Hm?
2018-12-09 02:42:58	fosslinux	nvm
2018-12-09 02:43:06	fosslinux	isnt it miene not mi ne
2018-12-09 02:43:28	slipyx	meinkraft
2018-12-09 02:43:57	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-09 02:44:25	fosslinux	meinkraft ftw
2018-12-09 02:44:36	~ben	kraft punk ftw
2018-12-09 02:46:09	hyperboredoubt	Mi no baxa doicia.
2018-12-09 02:47:22	~ben	who?
2018-12-09 02:47:32	tomasino	you!
2018-12-09 02:47:36	tomasino	what?
2018-12-09 02:47:37	~ben	oh hey tomasino !
2018-12-09 02:47:39	~ben	when!?
2018-12-09 02:47:40	tomasino	hiya ben
2018-12-09 02:47:46	tomasino	what's new?
2018-12-09 02:49:01	~ben	heh not much
2018-12-09 02:49:07	~ben	playing just cause 4
2018-12-09 02:49:27	~ben	it's kinda buggy still but it's fun to fly around with a grappling hook, parachute, and wingsuit blowing shit up
2018-12-09 02:49:56	~ben	how's the apartment?
2018-12-09 02:50:14	tomasino	so much stuff piled in here. we need to purge a lot more
2018-12-09 02:50:25	tomasino	writing some poetry ATM
2018-12-09 02:51:15	~ben	heh it's always surprising how much stuff accumulates
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2018-12-09 03:40:31	@cmccabe	i hate stuff but i seem to be a magnet for it
2018-12-09 03:40:38	~ben	lol same
2018-12-09 03:40:46	~ben	it just happens
2018-12-09 03:41:00	fosslinux	lmao
2018-12-09 03:41:04	fosslinux	same
2018-12-09 03:41:22	tomasino	i try to have as little as possible. I got pretty good at it, what with religious life and all. But now ... kid. STUFF MACHINE
2018-12-09 03:41:44	fosslinux	rip
2018-12-09 03:42:12	~ben	last time i moved (year and a half ago now?) i was floored by how much stuff i have
2018-12-09 03:42:21	~ben	enough to fill the whole place
2018-12-09 03:43:32	@cmccabe	elementary school kids here. house full of plastc "things", and three forests worth of schoolwork papers that have been brought home
2018-12-09 03:44:40	fosslinux	rip
2018-12-09 03:49:30	tomasino	yeah, crazy
2018-12-09 03:50:13	tomasino	we went on vacation away from our stuff for 2 weeks and didn't fill up a small trashcan the entire time. We're really low impact! Come home to "stuff" and I'm taking out multiple bags every day. That makes no sense to me
2018-12-09 03:50:25	fosslinux	lmao
2018-12-09 03:51:24	~ben	who tf knows
2018-12-09 03:56:00	tomasino	SLEEP TIMEZ
2018-12-09 03:56:07	tomasino	catchya tomorrow, folks
2018-12-09 03:58:11	fosslinux	nite tomasino
2018-12-09 04:05:03	~ben	night
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2018-12-09 06:15:59	drsenius	hi all
2018-12-09 06:18:02	fosslinux	hey
2018-12-09 06:18:04	fosslinux	whats up
2018-12-09 06:18:17	fosslinux	welcome i don't think i've seen you before?
2018-12-09 06:18:27	drsenius	I'm new here
2018-12-09 06:18:39	fosslinux	nice
2018-12-09 06:18:41	fosslinux	welcome then!
2018-12-09 06:19:08	drsenius	I met someone at DEF CON 26 who directed me here.
2018-12-09 06:19:19	fosslinux	from here?
2018-12-09 06:19:39	drsenius	yep
2018-12-09 06:19:43	fosslinux	who
2018-12-09 06:19:47	fosslinux	s/$/?
2018-12-09 06:19:48	sedbot	<fosslinux> who?
2018-12-09 06:20:05	drsenius	sebboh
2018-12-09 06:20:18	--	Nicks #team: [~ben &ChanServ @cmccabe @khuxkm @khuxkm|lounge absorto aewens aewens|otg ahriman amcclure[team] amcclure[town] anarchmellow_ angel annieschu arne atte1nmos|mobile BabiliBot baco bastiaan1 becca benharri biglysmalls billinja billy5 calypso cdmnky cirno Clefable corex deepend desvox desvox_ dokuja dozens3 dpc drsenius edwardthefma elf erxeto fosslinux freeappsw giacomo gilda giteabot GoldenBear hexhaxtron1 IRC-bridge jackomix jackomix3 jan6 jan6| jeschust jk008 kadin kiito kilic kirch2 kuriz lempamo lewiscowper limni login1 M-ben mastergeek midlow minerbot2 mraitisoja murii|lounge Naglfar nun pacninja pacninja1 phoenix prisonpotato project3 rain1 refragable robdrake roesch sebboh-yt sedbot SinaCutie skynebula slipxy slipyx snurryboy somsubhra1 somsubhra1_ tab5 thekopz threkk tildebeast tomasino tosun trifex tude tunas ubergeek ubergeek|lounge xdrixxyz y0x3y zaphod zyeri zyeri|lounge]
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2018-12-09 06:20:26	fosslinux	ohh
2018-12-09 06:20:28	fosslinux	nice
2018-12-09 06:21:53	drsenius	So, what are you guys up to tonight?
2018-12-09 06:22:25	fosslinux	what time is it where you are?
2018-12-09 06:22:31	fosslinux	lol its 5:20pm here
2018-12-09 06:22:42	drsenius	12:22 a.m.
2018-12-09 06:23:04	drsenius	haha
2018-12-09 06:23:11	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-09 06:24:16	drsenius	how do you list the commands here?
2018-12-09 06:24:51	fosslinux	huh?
2018-12-09 06:24:58	fosslinux	what do you mean?
2018-12-09 06:25:04	fosslinux	like in the shell?
2018-12-09 06:25:36	drsenius	here in the chat
2018-12-09 06:25:48	fosslinux	!botlist
2018-12-09 06:25:48	BabiliBot	BabiliBot | aewens <aewens@tilde.team> | the meta chat bot | !botlist, !rollcall, !summon, !banish, !pardon, !hmmscore, !hmmscoreboard, !whois
2018-12-09 06:25:48	minerbot2	Maintainer: khuxkm@tilde.team; Bot that does things; Commands: !gitea, !su, !toot
2018-12-09 06:25:48	zaphod	hey i'm the president of the galaxy. ben wrote my code. see .help. i have the following modules: admin, ascii, help, hhgtg, source, talk, tictactoe, time, uptime. stay hoopy, my froods!
2018-12-09 06:25:48	cirno	i do random shit. commands: !cirnolinks, !clap, !song, !getv, !setv, !cirnopart, !cirnojoin, !water, !hatkid, !shitpost, !convert, !slap, !cirnohelp, !botlist, !rollcall
2018-12-09 06:25:49	cirno	For additional help, see https://akko.gq/cirno and use !cirnohelp COMMAND
2018-12-09 06:27:49	drsenius	!cirnolinks
2018-12-09 06:27:50	cirno	linkpreviews enabled for #team
2018-12-09 06:28:04	drsenius	Alright thanks!
2018-12-09 06:29:34	drsenius	!clap
2018-12-09 06:30:10	fosslinux	!clap
2018-12-09 06:30:12	fosslinux	wtf
2018-12-09 06:30:22	fosslinux	!cirnohelp
2018-12-09 06:30:23	cirno	i do random shit. commands: !cirnolinks, !clap, !song, !getv, !setv, !cirnopart, !cirnojoin, !water, !hatkid, !shitpost, !convert, !slap, !cirnohelp, !botlist, !rollcall
2018-12-09 06:30:23	cirno	For additional help, see https://akko.gq/cirno and use !cirnohelp COMMAND
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2018-12-09 06:30:36	fosslinux	whos the master for cirno
2018-12-09 06:30:38	fosslinux	oh
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2018-12-09 06:31:55	fosslinux	lol wb
2018-12-09 06:31:56	ahriman	fosslinux: desvox wrote cirno
2018-12-09 06:32:07	fosslinux	desvox: !clap isn't working
2018-12-09 06:32:10	fosslinux	!song
2018-12-09 06:32:14	fosslinux	!rollcall
2018-12-09 06:32:14	BabiliBot	BabiliBot | aewens <aewens@tilde.team> | the meta chat bot | !botlist, !rollcall, !summon, !banish, !pardon, !hmmscore, !hmmscoreboard, !whois
2018-12-09 06:32:14	minerbot2	Maintainer: khuxkm@tilde.team; Bot that does things; Commands: !gitea, !su, !toot
2018-12-09 06:32:14	cirno	i do random shit. commands: !cirnolinks, !clap, !song, !getv, !setv, !cirnopart, !cirnojoin, !water, !hatkid, !shitpost, !convert, !slap, !cirnohelp, !botlist, !rollcall
2018-12-09 06:32:14	cirno	For additional help, see https://akko.gq/cirno and use !cirnohelp COMMAND
2018-12-09 06:32:17	fosslinux	!slap
2018-12-09 06:32:21	fosslinux	!water
2018-12-09 06:32:23	fosslinux	!hatkid
2018-12-09 06:32:24	cirno	https://akko.gq/hatkid/WCDchnR_e_LuNphQ4nvgJscmE6HrAlJz25ovZa92l2o.jpg
2018-12-09 06:32:33	fosslinux	desvox: cirno is BROKEN
2018-12-09 06:36:00	fosslinux	nvm desvox
2018-12-09 06:36:02	fosslinux	!slap hel
2018-12-09 06:36:03	cirno	*fosslinux soaks hel with a water blaster*
2018-12-09 06:36:12	fosslinux	!slap drsenius
2018-12-09 06:36:13	cirno	*fosslinux sings happy birthday to drsenius!*
2018-12-09 06:36:17	fosslinux	lmao
2018-12-09 06:40:34	~ben	welcome to tilde.team drsenius !
2018-12-09 06:47:55	ahriman	drsenius: hello!
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2018-12-09 07:08:50	ahriman	error handling needs to be defined in php.ini
2018-12-09 07:08:57	ahriman	whoa
2018-12-09 07:09:04	ahriman	i must have nodded off and hit pgup
2018-12-09 07:09:11	ahriman	disregard plz
2018-12-09 07:10:04	 *	slipyx silently judgs
2018-12-09 07:16:03	 *	ahriman gives slipyx the side-eye
2018-12-09 07:47:36	~ben	lol
2018-12-09 07:47:48	~ben	i can turn that on if anyone is interested
2018-12-09 07:58:00	ahriman	nah i accidentally responded to some old-ass message because my dumbass had left my hand on pgup or something
2018-12-09 07:58:13	ahriman	unless someone else needs it im good
2018-12-09 08:03:12	~ben	heh that's fair
2018-12-09 08:03:19	~ben	probably should though
2018-12-09 08:03:22	~ben	would be nice
2018-12-09 08:04:07	ahriman	word, i could see logging to $HOME/.php_error or something like that being helpful
2018-12-09 08:43:27	~ben	or cwd
2018-12-09 08:43:34	~ben	i'll look into it
2018-12-09 09:25:15	jan6	public_html/.php_log, rather
2018-12-09 09:25:19	jan6	~/public_html/.php_log, rather
2018-12-09 09:25:43	jan6	and that'd log everything, possibly .php_errors too for only errors
2018-12-09 09:36:20	ahriman	makes sense for a location
2018-12-09 09:40:25	~ben	i'd have to give the nginx/fpm user permission to write to your $HOME for that
2018-12-09 09:40:37	~ben	i'm not comfortable doing that
2018-12-09 09:41:19	ahriman	word
2018-12-09 09:42:28	~ben	i could probably get it to spit it into the html
2018-12-09 09:42:54	jan6	well, you CAN put the logs in /tmp I guess
2018-12-09 09:43:08	jan6	/tmp/php/jan6/error.log and such?
2018-12-09 09:43:34	desvox	!slap fosslinux
2018-12-09 09:43:34	 *	cirno slaps desvox
2018-12-09 09:43:34	cirno	Quit trying to abuse people!
2018-12-09 09:43:45	desvox	!clap cirno is not that difficult
2018-12-09 09:43:46	cirno	cirno 👏 is 👏 not 👏 that 👏 difficult 👏 
2018-12-09 09:43:48	jan6	or yeah, much easier to just enable the html one
2018-12-09 09:43:52	jan6	!slap desvox 
2018-12-09 09:43:52	 *	cirno soaks desvox with a water blaster
2018-12-09 09:44:06	desvox	!slap jan6
2018-12-09 09:44:07	cirno	*desvox lectures jan6 on the importance of brushing their teeth*
2018-12-09 09:44:11	jan6	oof
2018-12-09 09:44:17	~ben	https://ben.ttm.sh/err.php
2018-12-09 09:44:18	jan6	too close
2018-12-09 09:44:35	desvox	jan6: {nuclearoof}
2018-12-09 09:44:35	cirno	https://0x0.st/sGrB.ogg
2018-12-09 09:44:37	~ben	how's that
2018-12-09 09:44:56	~ben	!clap have you even been to http://clap.space
2018-12-09 09:44:57	cirno	have 👏 you 👏 even 👏 been 👏 to 👏 http://clap.space 👏 
2018-12-09 09:44:59	jan6	nice
2018-12-09 09:46:32	desvox	it 👏 ems 👏 have 👏 me 👏 put 👏 oblemsr 👏 p 👏 n 👏 n 👏 i 👏 o 👏 o 👏 s 👏 t 👏 e 👏 e 👏 a 👏 
2018-12-09 09:46:46	desvox	I'm phone posting right now so what can I expect really
2018-12-09 09:47:44	~ben	lmao
2018-12-09 09:47:46	~ben	what even
2018-12-09 09:50:26	ahriman	what in the name of fuck
2018-12-09 10:04:41	@khuxkm	!clap I want to throw myself in the trash where I belong
2018-12-09 10:04:42	cirno	I 👏 want 👏 to 👏 throw 👏 myself 👏 in 👏 the 👏 trash 👏 where 👏 I 👏 belong 👏 
2018-12-09 10:07:48	jan6	!slap khuxkm 
2018-12-09 10:07:48	 *	cirno soaks jan6 with a water blaster
2018-12-09 10:07:49	cirno	Quit trying to abuse people!
2018-12-09 10:07:54	jan6	!slap khuxkm 
2018-12-09 10:07:54	 *	cirno smacks khuxkm with a frying pan
2018-12-09 10:07:58	jan6	!slap cirno 
2018-12-09 10:07:58	cirno	*jan6 sings happy birthday to cirno!*
2018-12-09 10:08:49	@khuxkm|lounge	!setv raccoon-cottoncandy https://i.imgur.com/n9e2BWP.mp4
2018-12-09 10:08:49	cirno	Set `raccoon-cottoncandy' to: https://i.imgur.com/n9e2BWP.mp4
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2018-12-09 19:06:37	mastergeek	do we have permission to set up crontabs? I don't want to water my plant manually every day
2018-12-09 19:15:34	jan6	sure
2018-12-09 19:15:39	jan6	crontab -e
2018-12-09 19:16:07	mastergeek	and is cron running
2018-12-09 19:16:08	jan6	I mean, sure it's nice to ask, but I think it'd be disabled if it wasn't allowed ;P
2018-12-09 19:16:26	jan6	just try it out, sure it works
2018-12-09 19:16:33	jan6	at least I think it does
2018-12-09 19:16:38	mastergeek	I'll check it out then
2018-12-09 19:20:42	mastergeek	jan6: yeah, works like a charm
2018-12-09 19:20:50	jan6	 ;)
2018-12-09 19:20:50	mastergeek	mah plant will grow without me now :)
2018-12-09 19:21:28	jan6	oh btw, make sure you're handling the harvest, else it'll mess up ;)
2018-12-09 19:21:46	mastergeek	oh, ...
2018-12-09 19:22:39	jan6	btw, what's your script?
2018-12-09 19:23:31	jan6	mine is real simple
2018-12-09 19:23:34	mastergeek	echo -e -n "1\n6\n"
2018-12-09 19:24:29	jan6	simple correction
2018-12-09 19:24:39	jan6	echo -e "\n6\ny\n6\n"
2018-12-09 19:24:51	jan6	at least that
2018-12-09 19:24:57	jan6	's what I use on ~town
2018-12-09 19:25:27	mastergeek	like, another user's garden?
2018-12-09 19:25:44	jan6	nah
2018-12-09 19:25:46	jan6	mine
2018-12-09 19:26:12	mastergeek	kk
2018-12-09 19:26:13	jan6	basically enter to water, 6 to exit, if it's harvest then 6 to harvest, "yes want to harvest", 6 to exit, boom
2018-12-09 19:26:35	mastergeek	oh, ok
2018-12-09 19:27:14	jan6	just running that each hour, which is overkill tbh
2018-12-09 19:27:28	jan6	it'd be fine if you ran it like every 6 hours, even
2018-12-09 19:28:42	jan6	and I think there's old botany here, so it might mess up sometimes, so good idea to back up your ~/.botany occassionally
2018-12-09 19:29:51	jan6	(I've autofarmed to level 17 on ~town, lol, growth rate of 4.2, the higher the level the more you have to lose I guess)
2018-12-09 19:32:11	mastergeek	I run it once every day at 9:15 but ok
2018-12-09 19:32:34	jan6	that's fine probably ;P
2018-12-09 19:32:39	mastergeek	I'll try to make backups of it, also another thing I want to ask
2018-12-09 19:32:44	jan6	as I said, mine's definitely overkill
2018-12-09 19:33:02	jan6	every time I've checked it it's been ~90% watered, lol
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2018-12-09 20:56:04	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed 0c637fd to master. (update domains; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/0c637fd)
2018-12-09 20:57:09	hyperboredoubt	Hm?
2018-12-09 20:57:35	~ben	hm what?
2018-12-09 20:58:35	hyperboredoubt	What is that?
2018-12-09 20:59:12	~ben	what's what
2018-12-09 20:59:16	~ben	it's giteabot 
2018-12-09 21:00:28	hyperboredoubt	What is the link, dork? :P
2018-12-09 21:01:29	~ben	huh?
2018-12-09 21:01:32	~ben	did you not click it?
2018-12-09 21:01:48	~ben	it's the commit i just pushed to team/site
2018-12-09 21:03:33	hyperboredoubt	No, I can't click it.
2018-12-09 21:03:49	~ben	??
2018-12-09 21:03:52	~ben	ctrl-click
2018-12-09 21:05:08	hyperboredoubt	Nope.
2018-12-09 21:05:38	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed cc3521e to master. (update other-tildes page; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/cc3521e)
2018-12-09 21:05:57	~ben	what terminal emulator are you using?
2018-12-09 21:05:59	hyperboredoubt	Oh, wow, the snow is getting worse.
2018-12-09 21:06:05	~ben	you might need to put it in raw mode
2018-12-09 21:06:06	hyperboredoubt	Not even sure.
2018-12-09 21:06:07	~ben	with alt-l
2018-12-09 21:06:13	~ben	then you can ctrl clikc
2018-12-09 21:06:23	~ben	how have you been opening links here??
2018-12-09 21:07:37	hyperboredoubt	Copy and pasting.
2018-12-09 21:07:52	jan6	pff, caveman ;P
2018-12-09 21:07:57	hyperboredoubt	Haha, true.
2018-12-09 21:08:08	jan6	I mean, if it works, it works
2018-12-09 21:08:14	~ben	oh jeez
2018-12-09 21:08:19	~ben	that's rough
2018-12-09 21:08:48	jan6	just like, what, 80% of all terminal emulators either by default, or with the help of a plugin/addon, allow to autoopen links
2018-12-09 21:08:58	~ben	auto open links?
2018-12-09 21:09:01	~ben	what do you mean
2018-12-09 21:09:05	~ben	i just ctrl-click them
2018-12-09 21:09:25	jan6	I just regular click them
2018-12-09 21:09:43	~ben	doesn't work for me
2018-12-09 21:10:02	jan6	just default gnome-terminal and it works for me
2018-12-09 21:10:24	~ben	yeah same
2018-12-09 21:10:36	jan6	regular click and boom
2018-12-09 21:10:55	~ben	doesn't work without ctrl
2018-12-09 21:11:06	jan6	sure works for me
2018-12-09 21:11:36	jan6	or well
2018-12-09 21:11:39	jan6	not sure, maybe
2018-12-09 21:11:46	jan6	                           | https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/cc3521e)
2018-12-09 21:12:23	jan6	I forgot I'm rightclicking THEN leftclicking on the menu that appears without moving my mouse, lol
2018-12-09 21:12:27	jan6	immah doof
2018-12-09 21:12:51	jan6	but regular click is how it works in rxvt (with plugin) and st (with patch) iirc
2018-12-09 21:12:52	~ben	oh yeah that's the same thing
2018-12-09 21:13:00	~ben	as ctrl-clicking
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2018-12-09 21:17:39	amcclure	hello
2018-12-09 21:17:49	~ben	wb amcclure 
2018-12-09 21:18:28	amcclure	ty
2018-12-09 21:19:17	amcclure	how do I use ~/public_gopher/phlog
2018-12-09 21:19:22	~ben	however you like
2018-12-09 21:19:29	~ben	burrow is a handy little tool
2018-12-09 21:19:47	amcclure	what's burrow?
2018-12-09 21:20:18	~ben	burrow h
2018-12-09 21:20:23	~ben	burrow -h
2018-12-09 21:20:30	~ben	try it out
2018-12-09 21:41:26	 *	hyperboredoubt is eating saltines.
2018-12-09 21:43:38	~ben	nice
2018-12-09 21:44:39	hyperboredoubt	They are the saltiest crackers outside of a Trump rally.
2018-12-09 21:45:00	~ben	omfg
2018-12-09 21:45:04	~ben	brilliant
2018-12-09 21:50:49	hyperboredoubt	Haha, thanks.
2018-12-09 21:56:49	hyperboredoubt	Well, since everyone is away, I'll be leaving too. Have a fun time.
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2018-12-09 21:57:12	~ben	no u
2018-12-09 21:58:55	jan6	no u no
2018-12-09 21:59:07	~ben	oh
2018-12-09 21:59:42	jan6	uno
2018-12-09 21:59:47	jan6	u no
2018-12-09 22:07:31	~ben	dos
2018-12-09 22:07:47	jan6	tres
2018-12-09 22:08:05	~ben	cuatro
2018-12-09 22:08:16	jan6	s/c/q
2018-12-09 22:08:22	jan6	quantum
2018-12-09 22:08:22	~ben	no
2018-12-09 22:27:56	mastergeek	yes
2018-12-09 22:28:24	~ben	yesn't
2018-12-09 22:31:23	mastergeek	mayben't
2018-12-09 22:31:28	 *	mastergeek out
2018-12-09 22:32:48	~ben	oh
2018-12-09 22:32:50	~ben	ciao
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2018-12-10 00:51:08	ubergeek	what bot are you using for giteabot?
2018-12-10 00:52:29	~ben	khuxkm wrote it
2018-12-10 00:52:53	~ben	https://tildegit.org/khuxkm/webhookbot
2018-12-10 00:54:00	ubergeek	ok, so it is using webhooks...  Couldn't see how it was working, and was wondering that :)
2018-12-10 00:55:30	~ben	heh
2018-12-10 00:55:34	~ben	yeah it's ewbhookes
2018-12-10 00:55:48	~ben	s/ewbhooke/webhook
2018-12-10 00:55:48	sedbot	<ben> yeah it's webhooks
2018-12-10 02:32:43	@cmccabe	happy sunda noche all
2018-12-10 02:33:08	@cmccabe	+y
2018-12-10 02:34:03	~ben	heh u 2
2018-12-10 02:37:27	@cmccabe	what's up tonight, ben?
2018-12-10 02:37:38	~ben	lol not much
2018-12-10 02:37:40	~ben	it's been a lazy day
2018-12-10 02:37:50	~ben	setting up my mediaserver box that i picked up last week
2018-12-10 02:37:57	~ben	watching some old marvel movies
2018-12-10 02:37:59	~ben	you?
2018-12-10 02:41:44	@cmccabe	went "indoor skydiving" today
2018-12-10 02:42:01	@cmccabe	that was fun but expensive
2018-12-10 02:46:53	~ben	woah cool
2018-12-10 02:47:03	~ben	have you gone outdoor skydiving before?
2018-12-10 02:47:06	~ben	i wonder how it compares
2018-12-10 02:49:21	@cmccabe	no but i would like too
2018-12-10 02:49:24	@cmccabe	to
2018-12-10 02:50:44	~ben	i'd recommend it :P
2018-12-10 02:50:49	@cmccabe	this place today made no mention of thr similarity to real skydiving, and i wasn't sure if that's because they're different or because they don't want to lose customers to the real thing
2018-12-10 02:51:06	~ben	i'd guess they're very different experiences
2018-12-10 02:51:17	~ben	with nothing else to compare it to
2018-12-10 02:51:22	@cmccabe	no parachute, for one
2018-12-10 02:51:35	~ben	heh right
2018-12-10 02:51:43	~ben	isn't it basically just a big wind tunnel?
2018-12-10 02:51:52	@cmccabe	yup
2018-12-10 02:52:13	~ben	heh that's what i thought
2018-12-10 02:55:03	@cmccabe	how high did you jump from?
2018-12-10 03:04:31	~ben	12k ft
2018-12-10 03:24:19	slipyx	.uptime
2018-12-10 03:24:20	zaphod	 22:24:19 up 153 days,  1:11, 222 users,  load average: 0.18, 1.18, 1.57
2018-12-10 03:24:53	@cmccabe	nice ben. i want to do that some day too.
2018-12-10 03:25:46	~ben	i'd definitely recommend it
2018-12-10 05:13:44	robdrake	I think I'll do a dice game
2018-12-10 05:14:30	~ben	nice
2018-12-10 05:21:40	robdrake	to show off a bit what I've learned from freenode #node.js, I'm refreshing myself on function prototypes, though class is available in the version of Node I use
2018-12-10 05:26:24	~ben	js is not very good for OOP
2018-12-10 05:43:38	robdrake	It's not OOP, it's function prototyping or the generic javascript object
2018-12-10 05:45:30	~ben	right
2018-12-10 07:04:56	robdrake	Anyone good at javascript? I'm high, and ideas are flowing
2018-12-10 07:05:44	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-10 07:05:50	fosslinux	no i'm not
2018-12-10 07:06:20	robdrake	drat
2018-12-10 07:07:44	fosslinux	personally i don't really like js
2018-12-10 07:11:03	robdrake	oh? Which do you prefer?
2018-12-10 07:11:31	~ben	ruby
2018-12-10 07:11:33	~ben	lol
2018-12-10 07:11:40	~ben	python iirc
2018-12-10 07:11:53	~ben	i've been into elixir lately
2018-12-10 07:12:15	robdrake	elixir is a new language on me
2018-12-10 07:12:38	~ben	it's super cool
2018-12-10 07:12:40	~ben	functional
2018-12-10 07:12:47	~ben	compiles for the erlang vm
2018-12-10 07:12:47	fosslinux	iirc ben?
2018-12-10 07:12:55	~ben	hm?
2018-12-10 07:13:13	fosslinux	" python if i recall correctly " --ben i assume in response to robdrake?
2018-12-10 07:13:18	fosslinux	how does that make sense lol
2018-12-10 07:14:19	~ben	yeah
2018-12-10 07:14:20	robdrake	ncurses type library for it?
2018-12-10 07:14:27	~ben	iirc that's what you use fosslinux 
2018-12-10 07:14:34	fosslinux	oh
2018-12-10 07:14:35	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-10 07:14:36	fosslinux	right
2018-12-10 07:14:42	fosslinux	yeah i prefer python
2018-12-10 07:14:43	robdrake	elixir
2018-12-10 07:14:44	~ben	i'm sure there is but i haven't done anything like that with elixir
2018-12-10 07:14:53	robdrake	oh
2018-12-10 07:15:00	fosslinux	i want to get into rust tho
2018-12-10 07:15:13	~ben	rust is bizarre
2018-12-10 07:15:17	fosslinux	hm?
2018-12-10 07:15:18	fosslinux	how
2018-12-10 07:15:23	fosslinux	s/$/?
2018-12-10 07:15:24	sedbot	<fosslinux> how?
2018-12-10 07:15:24	~ben	idk
2018-12-10 07:15:37	fosslinux	rust seems like c++ on steroids without memory management issue
2018-12-10 07:15:49	robdrake	I've tried python, I do not having a compiler telling me where to indent
2018-12-10 07:16:04	robdrake	that misfeature really grates on m e
2018-12-10 07:16:10	fosslinux	?
2018-12-10 07:16:12	robdrake	s/m e/me
2018-12-10 07:16:12	sedbot	<robdrake> that misfeature really grates on me
2018-12-10 07:16:30	fosslinux	"I do not having a compiler telling me where to indent" ?
2018-12-10 07:16:41	~ben	significant whitespace is a strange design decision
2018-12-10 07:16:46	fosslinux	oh
2018-12-10 07:16:57	robdrake	*do not like having
2018-12-10 07:16:59	~ben	but i like a language with standardized formatting
2018-12-10 07:17:13	~ben	elixir has a built-in formatter, as does go
2018-12-10 07:17:35	fosslinux	it's not a "misfeature" robdrake, it was put there on purpose. however i would agree that it's not one of the better points of py
2018-12-10 07:17:54	robdrake	I just  prefer 4 blanks / tab, and tabs as tabs
2018-12-10 07:18:23	fosslinux	fair
2018-12-10 07:18:56	fosslinux	what is your editor of preference robdrake, ben?
2018-12-10 07:19:15	~ben	vim 
2018-12-10 07:19:17	~ben	vscode sometimes
2018-12-10 07:19:23	fosslinux	same
2018-12-10 07:19:26	fosslinux	often vim
2018-12-10 07:19:29	~ben	subl too
2018-12-10 07:19:34	fosslinux	hmmm
2018-12-10 07:19:42	fosslinux	subl is ok
2018-12-10 07:20:09	fosslinux	but it's not open sourc
2018-12-10 07:20:12	fosslinux	iirc
2018-12-10 07:20:31	robdrake	vim
2018-12-10 07:20:40	robdrake	Geany when using a GUI
2018-12-10 07:20:41	fosslinux	noice
2018-12-10 07:20:53	fosslinux	geany is very nice for simple gui coding
2018-12-10 07:21:39	robdrake	linting, building, and executing is configurable, but no built in debugger
2018-12-10 07:21:58	fosslinux	true....
2018-12-10 07:22:03	fosslinux	"simple"
2018-12-10 07:22:04	robdrake	and I don't get emacs
2018-12-10 07:22:12	fosslinux	emacs makes no sense to me
2018-12-10 07:22:22	~ben	lol same
2018-12-10 07:22:25	~ben	people love it though
2018-12-10 07:22:34	robdrake	I do not need the kitchen sink, I need an editor
2018-12-10 07:22:36	fosslinux	did you know emacs has a built in philosipher
2018-12-10 07:22:54	~ben	g
2018-12-10 07:22:56	~ben	ope
2018-12-10 07:22:57	robdrake	and psychiatrist
2018-12-10 07:23:06	~ben	yeah M-x doctor
2018-12-10 07:23:08	~ben	lol
2018-12-10 07:23:12	fosslinux	lmao it was the funniest thing i ever did
2018-12-10 07:23:38	fosslinux	and then my brother and sister were hanging over my shoulder
2018-12-10 07:23:46	fosslinux	(younger)
2018-12-10 07:23:49	fosslinux	and then it said
2018-12-10 07:23:58	fosslinux	"and how is your sex life?"
2018-12-10 07:24:04	fosslinux	i was like oh crap and closed it :P
2018-12-10 07:24:15	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed 5041ab5 to master. (make sure index.php exists before sha1'ing it; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/5041ab5)
2018-12-10 07:24:38	fosslinux	lol i was going to talk to you about that just then ben 
2018-12-10 07:25:41	robdrake	 a misfeature is not a bug, but thw wrong thing as far as features go
2018-12-10 07:29:25	~ben	there are still a few false positives from an old version of the default page
2018-12-10 07:37:14	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed 5b56f74 to master. (check against previous sha1s; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/5b56f74)
2018-12-10 07:37:49	~ben	ok fixed
2018-12-10 07:38:08	~ben	i also added a note that you should make some changes if you're not on the list
2018-12-10 07:39:42	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed 2 commits to master. (check against previous sha1s, check against previous sha1s; https://tildegit.org/team/site/compare/5b56f74baac37e4f548539e5de26ad2945691981...b50f86feb3a257fdc853a47950547fbfc31f0d0b)
2018-12-10 07:41:24	~ben	night all
2018-12-10 07:41:45	robdrake	night
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2018-12-10 13:23:57	amcclure	does ~team have an ftp server?
2018-12-10 13:33:29	erxeto	I thik it does not. Any reason you cannot use sftp/scp ?
2018-12-10 13:34:09	amcclure	oh
2018-12-10 13:34:40	amcclure	not exactly what I was thinking of lol
2018-12-10 13:35:09	amcclure	I was thinking of something similar to the already existing web and gopher services
2018-12-10 13:35:52	amcclure	something like ftp://ftp.tilde.team/~<username>
2018-12-10 13:36:55	amcclure	kind of like how I was using ftp.thunix.org for mirrors and user content
2018-12-10 13:37:14	snurryboy	hmm does it need to be ftp?
2018-12-10 13:37:22	snurryboy	why not http
2018-12-10 13:46:59	amcclure	snurryboy: http://tilde.team/~<username> is already a thing
2018-12-10 13:47:28	snurryboy	yea i thought you might just have wanted a way to show a list of files that can be downloaded
2018-12-10 13:47:38	amcclure	oh
2018-12-10 13:47:45	amcclure	nginx has directory browsing 
2018-12-10 13:48:48	snurryboy	oh cool
2018-12-10 13:48:57	snurryboy	whats the need for ftp then?
2018-12-10 13:48:57	amcclure	I was thinking of ftp.tilde.team being more like gopher.tilde.team
2018-12-10 13:49:26	snurryboy	i dont know anything about gopher
2018-12-10 13:49:36	amcclure	oh
2018-12-10 13:54:09	amcclure	I still think it would be a good thing to have
2018-12-10 13:54:22	ubergeek	don't do ftp, please :)
2018-12-10 13:54:40	ubergeek	Unless it's for super unimportant files
2018-12-10 13:54:56	~ben	https://gopher.tilde.team is a gopher proxy
2018-12-10 13:54:59	cirno	[tilde.team]
2018-12-10 13:55:10	ubergeek	I die a little every time I see a new ftp server go into production lol
2018-12-10 13:55:10	~ben	and autoindex is already on for user dirs
2018-12-10 13:55:20	~ben	there's no reason to do so
2018-12-10 13:55:22	amcclure	rip ubergeek 
2018-12-10 13:55:46	amcclure	apt-get install vsftpd
2018-12-10 13:55:54	 *	ubergeek has sad-face
2018-12-10 13:55:59	amcclure	jk
2018-12-10 13:56:06	ubergeek	... there goes another 2% of my soul :P
2018-12-10 13:56:15	amcclure	i used microsoft iis ftp server
2018-12-10 13:56:36	ubergeek	Ok, now you're doing this intentionally, just to hurt me hahaha
2018-12-10 13:56:47	amcclure	i think it hurt my wallet more tbh
2018-12-10 13:57:08	ubergeek	brb, going to start a tilde server running on WSL on Win 10
2018-12-10 13:57:33	amcclure	time to make my own tilde server on Windows 2016
2018-12-10 13:58:08	 *	ubergeek wonders how well, exactly, that would work...
2018-12-10 13:58:13	ubergeek	One can install openssh...
2018-12-10 13:58:26	ubergeek	You can compile code on it, install python, etc etc...
2018-12-10 13:58:37	ubergeek	It'd be expensive, for sure, but different...
2018-12-10 13:58:41	amcclure	I don't use Windows on anything lol
2018-12-10 13:59:28	amcclure	and I don't really miss Windows at all tbh
2018-12-10 14:00:07	amcclure	also windows server licensing takes a few thousand dollars for everything
2018-12-10 14:01:54	amcclure	and considering GNU/Linux is a thing, it's not worth paying extra money for a microsoft logo
2018-12-10 14:02:07	amcclure	Windows does come with a lot of free stuff though
2018-12-10 14:02:58	~ben	delet widnows
2018-12-10 14:03:07	amcclure	like free blue screens, migranes from maintainence, security issues,
2018-12-10 14:03:28	amcclure	and so on
2018-12-10 14:03:32	~ben	bonus!
2018-12-10 14:03:44	snurryboy	i also hate windows
2018-12-10 14:03:55	 *	amcclure is a former windows server sysadmin
2018-12-10 14:03:56	jan6	eh
2018-12-10 14:03:58	snurryboy	ive used a mac for a year but been on debian as well the last month or two
2018-12-10 14:03:59	~ben	i get to use it at work
2018-12-10 14:04:02	~ben	yay legacy apps
2018-12-10 14:04:02	 *	amcclure doesn't like windows anymore
2018-12-10 14:04:16	amcclure	mac is worse than Windows imo
2018-12-10 14:04:21	jan6	why so?
2018-12-10 14:04:24	snurryboy	no way
2018-12-10 14:04:42	~ben	i don't like mac either
2018-12-10 14:04:44	snurryboy	not only do i like the gui better its got a much better terminal
2018-12-10 14:04:47	jan6	mac is just Different™ and Luxury™, not Bad™
2018-12-10 14:04:56	~ben	overpriced and locked down
2018-12-10 14:04:58	jan6	it IS a unix after all, so it's not that bad
2018-12-10 14:05:07	snurryboy	people hate on macs but its really apple that sucks
2018-12-10 14:05:09	jan6	^
2018-12-10 14:05:16	snurryboy	and when you buy second hand price isnt a factor
2018-12-10 14:05:16	~ben	that's fair i guess
2018-12-10 14:05:24	amcclure	a good friend and I both got nearly identical macbook pros around the same time
2018-12-10 14:05:27	snurryboy	it was cheaper for me to get this imac than any desktop set up
2018-12-10 14:05:38	amcclure	within a month the keyboard broke
2018-12-10 14:05:43	jan6	tbh, Mac Minis are quite cool
2018-12-10 14:05:53	snurryboy	yea i agree they make shit keyboards and mice
2018-12-10 14:06:02	amcclure	and a few keys popped off of the keyboard with no way to reattach it
2018-12-10 14:06:04	snurryboy	i use my own keyboard and mouse with it
2018-12-10 14:06:25	jan6	AND the cheapest macs, AND actually openable without breaking it, and make for nice little server machines and such
2018-12-10 14:08:29	snurryboy	yea i got a late 2015 imac the other year cause id been using a windows laptop for like the past 6 years and never tried mac in my life except when someone gave me one of those old tower ones they used to make but never really played around with it
2018-12-10 14:08:53	snurryboy	ive never really had any dramas with it
2018-12-10 14:09:10	amcclure	I still have an old tower pc
2018-12-10 14:09:18	~ben	i built my desktop for gaming so i dualboot windows and debian
2018-12-10 14:09:20	snurryboy	i do prefer debian but yea i still enjoy my mac and find it easy to work with\
2018-12-10 14:09:38	amcclure	got it with windows 2000 but it works great (maybe better) with Debian
2018-12-10 14:09:39	~ben	hard to get debian to use my 1080ti properly
2018-12-10 14:09:39	snurryboy	my biggest gripe is that its so RAM hungry
2018-12-10 14:10:04	snurryboy	gotta restart or purge ever other day if ive been opening a bunch of browser tabs and aps
2018-12-10 14:10:09	~ben	last time i used a mac was for an app dev course in undergrad and it was slow af
2018-12-10 14:10:12	ubergeek	I prefer Mac over Windows...  But only use either when forced to.
2018-12-10 14:10:13	~ben	ios sux
2018-12-10 14:10:19	amcclure	true
2018-12-10 14:10:42	snurryboy	i find ios and android to be pretty similar except when it comes to the jailbreak community
2018-12-10 14:10:44	ubergeek	Basically, any non-Linux machine acts as an expensive virtualization platform for me to run Linux in a VM
2018-12-10 14:10:46	snurryboy	then ios comes ahead
2018-12-10 14:11:01	~ben	???
2018-12-10 14:11:05	~ben	how so
2018-12-10 14:11:21	~ben	can't say i've ever heard anyone say ios jailbreak is better than rooting
2018-12-10 14:11:23	snurryboy	the amount of tweaks you can get is nuts
2018-12-10 14:11:28	ubergeek	ben:  because there's only a handful of hardware platforms, and one OS to jailbreak
2018-12-10 14:11:31	amcclure	when someone calls GNU/Linux macos, I die
2018-12-10 14:11:36	jan6	android VM on jailbroken iphone?
2018-12-10 14:11:53	ubergeek	With Android, it's always a roll of the dice IF you can even root
2018-12-10 14:11:55	snurryboy	rooting is great if you are prepared to create the tweaks you want yourself
2018-12-10 14:12:06	~ben	i haven't had to create any tweaks myself
2018-12-10 14:12:07	ubergeek	My Note 9 will likely never get rooted, or custom ROMs :(
2018-12-10 14:12:19	amcclure	:(
2018-12-10 14:12:19	jan6	android root is a gamble IF you can get unlocked bootloader and root, but once you do, you can do LITERALLY anything
2018-12-10 14:12:22	~ben	but i have a pixel with a factory unlockable bootloader
2018-12-10 14:12:25	snurryboy	its like rooting a kindle. they only have so many things you can do with it
2018-12-10 14:12:27	ubergeek	But that is Samsung's fault, not Android's
2018-12-10 14:12:35	~ben	yeah that's vendor-specific i guess
2018-12-10 14:12:42	snurryboy	Cydia has like anything you could ever think of
2018-12-10 14:12:52	~ben	i think there was one phone i had problems rooting
2018-12-10 14:12:55	jan6	unlocked bootloader = you can put full on debian on your phone if you want to, lol
2018-12-10 14:12:58	ubergeek	snurryboy: have you like, ever, used Android? lol
2018-12-10 14:13:07	snurryboy	but ios jailbreaking is getting harder and harder so itll probably be gone before long
2018-12-10 14:13:16	jan6	there is cydia substrate on android too, but near nothing uses it :(
2018-12-10 14:13:19	snurryboy	uhh yea my first two phones were android and i still use one of them
2018-12-10 14:13:20	ubergeek	Can Cydia allow you to install a new kernel?
2018-12-10 14:13:22	snurryboy	which is rooted
2018-12-10 14:13:38	~ben	full new rom? system-wide theming?
2018-12-10 14:13:41	amcclure	I want to get a custom rom on my phone
2018-12-10 14:13:41	ubergeek	... or to remove that ghastly apple boot logo?
2018-12-10 14:13:46	jan6	cydia is just basically alternate app store + theme engine, afaik
2018-12-10 14:13:51	ubergeek	^^^
2018-12-10 14:13:51	amcclure	but it'll go against the carrier's policies :(
2018-12-10 14:13:51	snurryboy	p much yes to all of that.
2018-12-10 14:14:03	snurryboy	apparently someone got android working on an iphone
2018-12-10 14:14:13	snurryboy	and yes you can remove the boot logo
2018-12-10 14:14:22	snurryboy	or replace it with any image/gif you want
2018-12-10 14:14:24	jan6	apparently someone got debian working on their android too
2018-12-10 14:15:04	jan6	tbh, that' be pretty cool to have full on debian with working touch drivers on a phone
2018-12-10 14:15:09	ubergeek	lots of people got debian working on their android :)
2018-12-10 14:15:15	amcclure	would be cool
2018-12-10 14:15:27	snurryboy	im trying to get debian on my kindle touch
2018-12-10 14:15:29	snurryboy	lol
2018-12-10 14:15:32	jan6	getting drivers to work is probably an issue tho
2018-12-10 14:15:38	amcclure	I have an android tablet I never use, I kind of want to get Debian for it now
2018-12-10 14:15:41	ubergeek	https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.cuntubuntu&hl=en_US
2018-12-10 14:15:42	cirno	[Debian noroot - Apps on Google Play]
2018-12-10 14:15:48	ubergeek	:P
2018-12-10 14:15:50	jan6	if you have usb-otg then you just use a mouse, I bet, lol
2018-12-10 14:15:59	jan6	debian noroot is cheating ;P
2018-12-10 14:16:04	ubergeek	lol
2018-12-10 14:16:15	snurryboy	is that really debian or just a launcher/skin
2018-12-10 14:16:17	jan6	it's basically usermode-chroot
2018-12-10 14:16:21	jan6	afaik
2018-12-10 14:16:23	ubergeek	basically yeah
2018-12-10 14:16:29	ubergeek	same as Linux-On-DeX
2018-12-10 14:17:13	snurryboy	anyone tried those linux mobile OS like sailfish
2018-12-10 14:17:50	jan6	no chance, lol, 1. not supported phone (very limited set for sailfish, iirc) 2. currently locked bootloader
2018-12-10 14:18:17	jan6	all I've run have been custom android 2.3 roms xD
2018-12-10 14:18:21	amcclure	could make a channel for android os/device development and rooting
2018-12-10 14:18:23	snurryboy	dang
2018-12-10 14:18:34	amcclure	#android anyone?
2018-12-10 14:18:41	snurryboy	i dont know enough about it except i like it
2018-12-10 14:18:44	snurryboy	heh
2018-12-10 14:18:55	jan6	heh
2018-12-10 14:18:55	snurryboy	Plasma Mobile
2018-12-10 14:18:57	snurryboy	damn
2018-12-10 14:19:04	snurryboy	i love kde desktop
2018-12-10 14:19:52	jan6	I'd love to have root, but can't, pretty sure you can't hax the bootloader without very specific knowledge
2018-12-10 14:20:18	snurryboy	the one i use is htc desire 420
2018-12-10 14:20:35	snurryboy	its rooted every time ive tried over the years
2018-12-10 14:21:04	snurryboy	but the only reason i needed it was to go up a few android versions than what it would let me on stock
2018-12-10 14:21:13	snurryboy	so i could download a couple of apps
2018-12-10 14:22:52	jan6	android emulators?
2018-12-10 14:23:25	snurryboy	nah a mirroring app so i can get the screen of the newer phone onto the old phone
2018-12-10 14:23:38	jan6	vnc server?
2018-12-10 14:23:43	jan6	;P
2018-12-10 14:24:35	jan6	vnc viewer apps can be like, a meg or less, and server can be run even without root iirc...
2018-12-10 14:24:45	snurryboy	cause i record video on the newer phone with this head mount i had custom made to have the video sync with the binaural headset
2018-12-10 14:25:03	snurryboy	and i can watch on the old phone to make sure its running right
2018-12-10 14:25:27	snurryboy	i forget what its called. amirror something or other.
2018-12-10 14:25:48	snurryboy	its cross platform if i need it
2018-12-10 14:43:00	amcclure	weird question
2018-12-10 14:43:45	amcclure	I was given a microsoft surface rt at one time and I'd like to install Debian on it. Anyone know how?
2018-12-10 14:44:04	~ben	probably doable
2018-12-10 14:44:27	snurryboy	cant boot from a usb?
2018-12-10 14:44:51	amcclure	I can
2018-12-10 14:45:15	snurryboy	then get firmware-9.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso
2018-12-10 14:45:34	snurryboy	i write it with fedora media writer but anything should work
2018-12-10 14:45:53	jan6	just dd it, if you want
2018-12-10 14:45:56	amcclure	amd?
2018-12-10 14:46:00	~ben	dd if=iso of=/dev/sdX
2018-12-10 14:46:09	snurryboy	just means 64bit
2018-12-10 14:46:13	snurryboy	im p certain
2018-12-10 14:46:17	~ben	yeah
2018-12-10 14:46:18	amcclure	for a surface rt?
2018-12-10 14:46:35	~ben	can't think of any reason it would be 32bit
2018-12-10 14:46:37	jan6	or etcher.io if you want a fancy electron-based app that verifies it wrote correctly
2018-12-10 14:46:40	snurryboy	yea it should work fine on any 64 bit
2018-12-10 14:46:56	jan6	^
2018-12-10 14:47:50	jan6	that's the netinstall that includes most drivers, so it's supposed to get everything working even if there aren't "free and open source drivers" for it
2018-12-10 14:47:57	amcclure	it's not 64 bit though lol
2018-12-10 14:48:05	jan6	128 bit?
2018-12-10 14:48:06	jan6	;P
2018-12-10 14:48:08	snurryboy	lol
2018-12-10 14:48:14	snurryboy	are you serious its 32 bit
2018-12-10 14:48:23	jan6	lol, only 4gigs of ram
2018-12-10 14:48:25	snurryboy	i cant imagine a 1000$ new laptop is 32bit
2018-12-10 14:48:43	amcclure	surface rt was from 2012 lol
2018-12-10 14:48:46	jan6	RIP having more than 5 tabs open at a time I guess
2018-12-10 14:48:48	amcclure	2011 or 2012
2018-12-10 14:48:57	amcclure	I can't exactly rememver
2018-12-10 14:49:07	snurryboy	oh i thought those things were brand new
2018-12-10 14:49:10	amcclure	s/rememver/remember
2018-12-10 14:49:11	sedbot	<amcclure> I can't exactly remember
2018-12-10 14:49:22	amcclure	they're making new surface devices, but this is an old one though
2018-12-10 14:50:03	jan6	https://www.geekwire.com/2017/nearly-5-years-later-original-microsoft-surface-rt-still-useful-least-spare/
2018-12-10 14:50:04	cirno	[Nearly 5 years later, this original Microsoft Surface RT is still useful, at least as a spare – GeekWire]
2018-12-10 14:50:19	snurryboy	https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-9.6.0-i386-netinst.iso
2018-12-10 14:50:24	snurryboy	that should be for you then
2018-12-10 14:51:13	amcclure	actually
2018-12-10 14:51:28	~ben	wow it's 32bit
2018-12-10 14:51:30	~ben	:o
2018-12-10 14:51:51	amcclure	I think it'll be either armel or armhf
2018-12-10 14:51:52	jan6	is it ARM or x86 tho ?
2018-12-10 14:52:07	amcclure	it's ARM
2018-12-10 14:52:11	jan6	yeah, arm versions are different too
2018-12-10 14:52:20	jan6	but of course, debian covers that too ;P
2018-12-10 14:52:30	snurryboy	yea ive never used that so i cant help
2018-12-10 14:52:31	snurryboy	lol
2018-12-10 14:53:01	snurryboy	https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/armel/iso-cd/debian-9.6.0-armel-netinst.iso
2018-12-10 14:53:02	snurryboy	https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/armhf/iso-cd/debian-9.6.0-armhf-netinst.iso
2018-12-10 14:53:04	snurryboy	one of those
2018-12-10 14:53:32	~ben	good thing debian covers pretty much any combo you can think of 
2018-12-10 14:53:42	~ben	9.6 feels like a solid point upgrade
2018-12-10 14:53:50	jan6	In Debian GNU/Linux, and derivatives such as Ubuntu, armhf (ARM hard float) refers to the ARMv7 architecture
2018-12-10 14:54:24	jan6	so, figure out if it's before or after arm7
2018-12-10 14:55:06	amcclure	"32-bit ARM (ARMv7)"
2018-12-10 14:55:18	amcclure	would I use hard float?
2018-12-10 14:55:19	snurryboy	thats a bingo
2018-12-10 14:56:24	jan6	it should be armhf according to quick hunt
2018-12-10 14:57:01	jan6	https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4037671/surface-surface-rt-specifications says the cpu is nvidia tegra 3
2018-12-10 14:57:01	cirno	[]
2018-12-10 14:57:17	jan6	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra#Tegra_3 says it's ARM Cortex-A9
2018-12-10 14:57:18	cirno	[Tegra - Wikipedia]
2018-12-10 14:57:38	jan6	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-A9 says it's  32-bit processor core licensed by ARM Holdings implementing the ARMv7-A architecture. 
2018-12-10 14:57:39	cirno	[ARM Cortex-A9 - Wikipedia]
2018-12-10 14:57:55	jan6	so yah
2018-12-10 14:58:58	~ben	that could be a nice little debian box
2018-12-10 15:01:30	amcclure	got grub to load
2018-12-10 15:01:42	amcclure	now 
2018-12-10 15:02:14	amcclure	one of the only real problems I've had with this is the lack of reliable documentation for installing debian or any other os
2018-12-10 15:02:39	amcclure	since the only thing people seemed to focus on is "windows rt 8 is locked down nothing works on it"
2018-12-10 15:03:33	snurryboy	https://linuxhint.com/install_debian9_stretch_usb/
2018-12-10 15:03:39	cirno	[How to Install Debian 9 Stretch from USB – Linux Hint]
2018-12-10 15:03:41	snurryboy	that might help
2018-12-10 15:05:07	jan6	ehhh
2018-12-10 15:05:19	jan6	what is there TO say about installing, lol
2018-12-10 15:05:28	jan6	you just answer any prompts, and boom
2018-12-10 15:05:53	amcclure	that link is also for Windows lol
2018-12-10 15:06:21	jan6	I personally like to disable print server and the default desktop managers, and install them later
2018-12-10 15:06:58	~ben	i don't install print server either but i usually just have it install gnome for me
2018-12-10 15:07:01	~ben	don't @ me
2018-12-10 15:07:06	~ben	i know everyone hates gnome
2018-12-10 15:07:11	jan6	eh
2018-12-10 15:07:21	snurryboy	the writing the iso is for windows but the debian installation is still relevant
2018-12-10 15:07:22	jan6	cinnamon is nicer, I'd say
2018-12-10 15:07:26	snurryboy	and thats what you asked about
2018-12-10 15:07:36	jan6	but gnome is fine, just Eh, It's Hungery
2018-12-10 15:07:48	~ben	it's not bad with 3.30 actually
2018-12-10 15:07:59	jan6	3d n stuff
2018-12-10 15:08:09	jan6	it's not Bad, just not Good either
2018-12-10 15:08:23	snurryboy	i dont like the app manager window thjing one bit
2018-12-10 15:08:35	~ben	which one?
2018-12-10 15:08:44	jan6	^not terrible, but yeah, indeed
2018-12-10 15:08:47	snurryboy	like i search for something and still all the other apps are behind it and fully opaque
2018-12-10 15:09:01	snurryboy	gnome
2018-12-10 15:09:02	jan6	which is exactly why I enable th traditional dropdown menu option ;P
2018-12-10 15:09:18	snurryboy	i accidently installed it first time when i was trying to do kde
2018-12-10 15:09:40	~ben	i just install dash-to-dock and it's perfectly fine for everything i need
2018-12-10 15:10:00	~ben	pretty much in a browser and a terminal
2018-12-10 15:10:01	snurryboy	if i could replace kde's start menu with a dock and have one of the apps be like macs launchpad then itd be perfect
2018-12-10 15:10:02	~ben	and that' it
2018-12-10 15:10:16	~ben	what's a launchpad
2018-12-10 15:10:47	jan6	the thingy at the bottom f the screen?
2018-12-10 15:11:02	snurryboy	well if you left click it it brings up all the apps kinda like in that app manager in gnome. but what i use it for is if you right click it it shows a list of all your stuff in applications directory
2018-12-10 15:11:05	snurryboy	in order
2018-12-10 15:11:19	snurryboy	makes it simple to get to any app you dont use enough to put on the dock
2018-12-10 15:11:28	snurryboy	the thingy at the bottom is the dock
2018-12-10 15:11:35	~ben	huh i'm not familiar
2018-12-10 15:11:39	jan6	just have a dropdown app menu then?
2018-12-10 15:11:41	snurryboy	launchpad is an app
2018-12-10 15:11:53	~ben	i usually hit meta (windows key), type a few letters of what i'm looking for and hit enter
2018-12-10 15:12:16	~ben	doesn't mac have a quick find thing like that too
2018-12-10 15:12:33	jan6	alt = meta tho?
2018-12-10 15:12:45	jan6	or no?
2018-12-10 15:12:50	snurryboy	yea i forget what its called
2018-12-10 15:12:51	~ben	super
2018-12-10 15:12:53	~ben	sry
2018-12-10 15:12:55	jan6	yep
2018-12-10 15:12:56	snurryboy	spotlight or something
2018-12-10 15:13:12	snurryboy	yea spotlight
2018-12-10 15:13:16	~ben	that's what i used the whole time when i had to for that ios part of mobile dev
2018-12-10 15:13:25	~ben	whatever undergrad course that was
2018-12-10 15:13:26	jan6	on cinnamon I too have win/super open the app menu with focused search bar
2018-12-10 15:13:48	jan6	cinnamon is basically gnome, but a bit different direction
2018-12-10 15:14:30	 *	jan6 out btw, for some time at least, minimum 2 hours, I'd say
2018-12-10 15:14:39	~ben	no u
2018-12-10 15:14:50	jan6	yes me
2018-12-10 15:14:59	snurryboy	https://i.imgur.com/PZhhVzT.png
2018-12-10 15:15:06	snurryboy	thats what i mean about the launchpad
2018-12-10 15:15:33	~ben	ew why then you have to use the mouse
2018-12-10 15:15:44	snurryboy	what do you mean?
2018-12-10 15:15:47	~ben	spotlight,
2018-12-10 15:15:57	snurryboy	i dont like spotlight
2018-12-10 15:15:57	~ben	then just type the name of the thing you want to launch
2018-12-10 15:16:07	snurryboy	i prefer this
2018-12-10 15:16:07	jan6	my super key opens the menu from "all apps" category by default btw
2018-12-10 15:16:16	~ben	yeah same
2018-12-10 15:16:29	~ben	super, type what you want to open, hit enter
2018-12-10 15:16:33	snurryboy	its kinda like a start bar but not compartmentalising every category
2018-12-10 15:17:01	~ben	i try to avoid using the mouse as much as possible
2018-12-10 15:17:29	~ben	that's a lot of mousing around you could avoid with spotlight
2018-12-10 15:17:56	snurryboy	i enjoy mousin around lol
2018-12-10 15:18:11	snurryboy	except on laptops
2018-12-10 15:18:20	snurryboy	cause trackpads usually suck
2018-12-10 15:18:51	snurryboy	but even then i feel constricted not being able to move around the screen smoothly
2018-12-10 15:19:38	~ben	heh there's another reason to keyboard it up
2018-12-10 15:19:39	snurryboy	if i was big into efficiency id get something like alfred and learn how to use it properly
2018-12-10 15:20:06	~ben	it's not even efficiency i just would rather use the keyboard if i can
2018-12-10 15:21:06	snurryboy	see im the opposite. ill only use keyboard for typing if its not too annoying to use the mouse
2018-12-10 15:21:33	~ben	lol fair enough
2018-12-10 15:21:46	snurryboy	like scrolling can be a pain in the ass with a mouse since i dont have one with those flash scroll wheel that spin on a bering
2018-12-10 15:21:48	~ben	i've found kb to be far faster
2018-12-10 15:22:08	~ben	oh i have a mouse with a crazy fast scroll wheel
2018-12-10 15:22:15	~ben	that's one thing i like the mouse for
2018-12-10 15:23:00	snurryboy	ok i gotta get up early so im off to bed
2018-12-10 15:23:05	snurryboy	later ben 
2018-12-10 15:23:13	~ben	oh wow timzeons
2018-12-10 15:23:26	~ben	s/zeon/ezone
2018-12-10 15:23:27	sedbot	<ben> oh wow timezones
2018-12-10 15:23:30	~ben	ciao!
2018-12-10 16:26:03	amcclure	rip
2018-12-10 16:26:24	amcclure	idk if I'm going to be able to get it to work
2018-12-10 16:28:17	~ben	why not
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2018-12-10 17:59:30	@cmccabe	~team: 60 distinct users over past three days. 1500+ logins over that period.
2018-12-10 17:59:45	@cmccabe	(i just looked it up for a phlog post)
2018-12-10 17:59:49	arne	wew
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2018-12-10 18:00:58	l4p1n	Oh hellow, it worked :)
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2018-12-10 18:02:24	M-ben	lol yes it did work
2018-12-10 18:02:40	M-l4p1n	why it wouldn't :>
2018-12-10 18:03:23	M-ben	it wouldn't before?
2018-12-10 18:03:37	M-l4p1n	idk. but it works well as I can see
2018-12-10 18:05:36	~ben	heh
2018-12-10 18:05:48	~ben	it worked for me a while ago
2018-12-10 18:05:53	~ben	cmccabe: nice
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2018-12-10 18:57:12	robdrake	Hello, ben  more people besides jack3 should be applying from my old community
2018-12-10 18:57:52	~ben	sounds good!
2018-12-10 18:58:08	robdrake	and thank you for letting us move here
2018-12-10 18:58:59	robdrake	My Uncle cut me off from my trust fund, I lose $200 in spending power, down to just $30, and had to cut expenses
2018-12-10 18:59:39	robdrake	Speaking of which, to help me quit smoking, I need to see when my next psychiatrist appointment is, brb
2018-12-10 19:04:47	ubergeek	robdrake: what community was that?
2018-12-10 19:07:55	robdrake	roblifehackc.com
2018-12-10 19:08:55	robdrake	If I could still afford the VPS, and another domain name, I'd make a tilde
2018-12-10 19:10:54	robdrake	My finances may swing back in March, new Trustee, but no promises
2018-12-10 19:12:18	robdrake	but I'm not a sysadmin, I'm a programmer
2018-12-10 19:12:38	robdrake	*hobbyist programmer
2018-12-10 19:13:04	 *	jan6 wonders what the f to put on his pages
2018-12-10 19:17:59	M-l4p1n	jan6: idk. I just throw whatever I want
2018-12-10 19:18:07	arne	i throw: nil
2018-12-10 19:26:37	amcclure	hello
2018-12-10 19:28:40	jan6	hallo
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2018-12-10 19:37:43	robdrake	ben: you busy? if not mind a PM?
2018-12-10 19:38:54	jan6	seecrets?
2018-12-10 19:38:59	jan6	gimme gimme gimme ;P
2018-12-10 19:39:01	arne	secreets
2018-12-10 19:39:03	robdrake	not really
2018-12-10 19:39:06	arne	i like sr.ht patches
2018-12-10 19:39:08	jan6	then why pm?
2018-12-10 19:39:21	robdrake	idk, habit
2018-12-10 19:40:13	robdrake	ben: I'd like to run a Project Solid at ~rgdrake:xxxx but need xxxx forwarded to ~rgdrake/solid and a port opened
2018-12-10 19:40:24	robdrake	*Project Solid server
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2018-12-10 19:40:57	robdrake	SOLID Socially Linked Data -- solid.mit.edu
2018-12-10 19:41:59	robdrake	but I need a nicotene break
2018-12-10 19:42:33	arne	i need some big dick (dont ban me lol)
2018-12-10 19:42:43	arne	i just needed to make that joke
2018-12-10 19:43:18	robdrake	paging Richard Smoker for arne
2018-12-10 19:43:18	jan6	you can't port forward a specific path, or program, but he could forward robdrake.tilde.team:xxx to your program, or something
2018-12-10 19:43:31	robdrake	oh
2018-12-10 19:46:04	jan6	or maybe just tilde.team:xxx
2018-12-10 19:58:57	robdrake	on tilde.team I'm still rgdrake
2018-12-10 19:59:17	robdrake	that is how I'm known to the Solid community, if I'm known at all
2018-12-10 20:01:19	robdrake	Project Solid + Project SAFE (Secure Access For Everyone) is 2 very interesting projects
2018-12-10 20:02:16	robdrake	I should develop the skills to contribute, but have no idea where to start
2018-12-10 20:06:09	robdrake	Solid is mostly javascript, Safe is mostly Rust
2018-12-10 20:06:37	jan6	what are those anyway?
2018-12-10 20:07:04	arne	pfft
2018-12-10 20:07:05	arne	rust
2018-12-10 20:07:21	robdrake	solid -- read solid.mit.edu safe -- safenetwork.org
2018-12-10 20:08:04	robdrake	if Solid takes off, end of Facebook, Safe takes off, distributed, decentralized Web
2018-12-10 20:08:37	robdrake	Solid's motto: Own your Data
2018-12-10 20:10:45	robdrake	but Safe, the tool, would make kiddie porn and nastier material distribution easier
2018-12-10 20:11:46	robdrake	sorry if I'm rambling, just excited about those 2 projects
2018-12-10 20:12:47	jan6	so basically, tor problems
2018-12-10 20:18:14	robdrake	yeah
2018-12-10 20:18:52	robdrake	but with SAFE, the data is broken up into chunks and each chunk is encrypted
2018-12-10 20:19:12	robdrake	and spread amongst SAFE servers
2018-12-10 20:54:22	@khuxkm|lounge	robdrake: let me take a look RE Solid
2018-12-10 20:59:40	@khuxkm|lounge	robdrake: so why do you need port forward for SOLID
2018-12-10 20:59:41	@khuxkm|lounge	?
2018-12-10 20:59:53	@khuxkm|lounge	does it need port 8443, is what I'm asking
2018-12-10 21:01:37	@khuxkm|lounge	also maybe we could run solid for tilde.team users
2018-12-10 21:01:43	@khuxkm|lounge	rgdrake.solid.tilde.team?
2018-12-10 21:03:23	robdrake	any port
2018-12-10 21:04:04	robdrake	if you are  going to do it for tilde.team just solid.tilde.team
2018-12-10 21:04:04	@khuxkm|lounge	so what I'm thinking is either A) we decide on running a multiuser SOLID for tilde.team members or B) we get you an LXD container and port-forward it in (you
2018-12-10 21:04:09	@khuxkm|lounge	...
2018-12-10 21:04:32	@khuxkm|lounge	(you'll have to use rgdrake.whateverdomainyouchoose.wehavealot:443)
2018-12-10 21:04:52	robdrake	I'd say tilde.team members
2018-12-10 21:05:55	robdrake	that will save ~rgdrake for client apps using the server
2018-12-10 21:06:39	robdrake	*client apps running in the browser
2018-12-10 21:07:40	robdrake	but please, the more users, the better, so a tilde.team Solid server would be good
2018-12-10 21:08:05	robdrake	Helps to get the word out to "Own Your Data"
2018-12-10 21:08:25	jan6	why 443?
2018-12-10 21:08:39	jan6	80 would be better, cause https > http ?
2018-12-10 21:09:03	robdrake	8443 is just a commonly used port
2018-12-10 21:09:09	jan6	firewalls
2018-12-10 21:09:27	jan6	but sure
2018-12-10 21:09:47	jan6	I guess you can always ssh-portforward it?
2018-12-10 21:09:56	robdrake	idk
2018-12-10 21:13:03	robdrake	I'm trying to answer all questions I can
2018-12-10 21:18:07	~ben	i wouldn't mind setting up a solid node for ~team
2018-12-10 21:18:12	~ben	sorry, just got back from meetings
2018-12-10 21:18:29	robdrake	oh ok, and please do
2018-12-10 21:18:44	~ben	khuxkm|lounge: you cool with that?
2018-12-10 21:18:57	~ben	not sure what all is involved but i'm looking into it now
2018-12-10 21:19:16	@khuxkm|lounge	yeah
2018-12-10 21:19:26	@khuxkm|lounge	https://github.com/solid/node-solid-server
2018-12-10 21:19:28	cirno	[GitHub - solid/node-solid-server: Solid server on top of the file-system in NodeJS]
2018-12-10 21:19:29	@khuxkm|lounge	ben: ^
2018-12-10 21:19:31	~ben	looks like it's just a node app
2018-12-10 21:20:09	robdrake	for now
2018-12-10 21:20:16	~ben	i'm gonna be a rebel and use yarn instead of npm
2018-12-10 21:20:23	~ben	khuxkm|lounge: fyi i'm installing this under the services user
2018-12-10 21:20:24	jan6	nodejs? YUK
2018-12-10 21:20:46	@khuxkm|lounge	ben: ok
2018-12-10 21:21:02	@khuxkm|lounge	jan6: don't start
2018-12-10 21:21:03	@khuxkm|lounge	:P
2018-12-10 21:22:02	~ben	https://tilde.wiki/?page=domains
2018-12-10 21:22:03	cirno	[domains | tilde.team~wiki]
2018-12-10 21:22:07	jan6	nodejs && php == evil
2018-12-10 21:22:21	~ben	would any of the unused domains be ok or should i do *.solid.tilde.team
2018-12-10 21:23:07	~ben	*.nand.team?
2018-12-10 21:23:11	~ben	idk
2018-12-10 21:23:31	jan6	nand.pub?
2018-12-10 21:23:43	~ben	i'm ok with that as well
2018-12-10 21:24:22	jan6	it could be open, and not exactly tilde-branded that way, also, .pub
2018-12-10 21:24:32	jan6	(tilde-branded as in hving it in the name)
2018-12-10 21:24:38	~ben	anyone else thoughts?
2018-12-10 21:24:52	tomasino	love me some yarn over npm
2018-12-10 21:25:03	tomasino	was that the question?
2018-12-10 21:25:04	tomasino	hah
2018-12-10 21:25:06	robdrake	if you are going to operate the server, why not the tilde brand? A bit of advertising
2018-12-10 21:25:30	jan6	check the wiki for domains
2018-12-10 21:25:37	jan6	there's a ton of tilde already
2018-12-10 21:25:41	~ben	lol tomasino we were talking about setting up a solid server
2018-12-10 21:26:01	~ben	tilde.pizza tilde.wtf tilde.life
2018-12-10 21:26:13	robdrake	I'll brb, nurse needs to provide care, minor time-consuming stuff
2018-12-10 21:26:14	jan6	!whois solid.club
2018-12-10 21:26:15	BabiliBot	solid.club is 'registered'
2018-12-10 21:26:28	jan6	!whois solid.wtf
2018-12-10 21:26:29	BabiliBot	solid.wtf might be available
2018-12-10 21:26:29	tomasino	if tilde.pizza were solid it'd be tilde.calzone
2018-12-10 21:26:34	~ben	lol
2018-12-10 21:26:42	jan6	!whois solid.pub
2018-12-10 21:26:43	BabiliBot	solid.pub is 'registered'
2018-12-10 21:27:09	jan6	!whois solid.zone
2018-12-10 21:27:10	BabiliBot	solid.zone is 'registered'
2018-12-10 21:27:21	~ben	let's just use one of the ones we have
2018-12-10 21:27:24	jan6	solid.wtf seems cool, lol
2018-12-10 21:27:27	~ben	*.solid.tilde.team is an option too
2018-12-10 21:27:42	jan6	"wtf is solid?" well, it's solid.wtf ;P
2018-12-10 21:27:47	jan6	but sure
2018-12-10 21:27:55	tomasino	!whois solid.space
2018-12-10 21:27:56	BabiliBot	solid.space is 'registered'
2018-12-10 21:28:03	jan6	*.solid.tilde.team is a bit long
2018-12-10 21:28:11	jan6	nand.pub is fine imo
2018-12-10 21:28:20	tomasino	!whois solid.coffee
2018-12-10 21:28:21	BabiliBot	solid.coffee is 'registered'
2018-12-10 21:28:22	~ben	i'm fine with any of them tbh
2018-12-10 21:28:26	tomasino	really?! ew
2018-12-10 21:28:30	jan6	solid.ttm.sh, possibly
2018-12-10 21:28:34	jan6	liquid.coffee
2018-12-10 21:28:37	jan6	!whois liquid.coffee
2018-12-10 21:28:38	BabiliBot	liquid.coffee is 'registered'
2018-12-10 21:28:47	jan6	!whois tilde.coffee
2018-12-10 21:28:48	BabiliBot	tilde.coffee is 'registered'
2018-12-10 21:28:50	tomasino	!whois solid.party
2018-12-10 21:28:51	BabiliBot	solid.party is 'available'
2018-12-10 21:28:54	jan6	wait  WUT?
2018-12-10 21:28:56	jan6	16:28:48         BabiliBot | tilde.coffee is 'registered'
2018-12-10 21:29:26	tomasino	solid party, ben!
2018-12-10 21:29:33	~ben	ruh roh
2018-12-10 21:29:57	jan6	!whous solid.party
2018-12-10 21:30:02	jan6	!whois solid.party
2018-12-10 21:30:02	BabiliBot	solid.party is 'available'
2018-12-10 21:30:06	jan6	heeeeeeyyy
2018-12-10 21:30:29	~ben	oh it's premium
2018-12-10 21:30:33	tomasino	of course it is
2018-12-10 21:30:35	tomasino	it's god
2018-12-10 21:30:37	tomasino	good to
2018-12-10 21:30:39	tomasino	too
2018-12-10 21:30:41	~ben	cancel that
2018-12-10 21:30:46	tomasino	this o key is sticky
2018-12-10 21:30:48	tomasino	ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
2018-12-10 21:30:52	~ben	loooooooool
2018-12-10 21:31:00	tomasino	!whois oooooooooo.party
2018-12-10 21:31:00	BabiliBot	oooooooooo.party is 'available'
2018-12-10 21:31:03	tomasino	well, there you go
2018-12-10 21:31:18	jan6	!whois solid.cool
2018-12-10 21:31:19	BabiliBot	solid.cool is 'registered'
2018-12-10 21:31:19	tomasino	just slightly too many o's to be able to count at a glance
2018-12-10 21:31:32	jan6	!whois 0w0.wtf
2018-12-10 21:31:33	BabiliBot	0w0.wtf is 'registered'
2018-12-10 21:31:45	tomasino	!whois tilde.pizza
2018-12-10 21:31:46	BabiliBot	tilde.pizza is 'registered'
2018-12-10 21:31:51	jan6	!whois 0w0whatsthis.wtf
2018-12-10 21:31:51	BabiliBot	0w0whatsthis.wtf might be available
2018-12-10 21:31:58	jan6	!whois owowhatsthis.wtf
2018-12-10 21:31:59	BabiliBot	owowhatsthis.wtf might be available
2018-12-10 21:32:13	~ben	woah chill
2018-12-10 21:33:08	~ben	error rdflib@0.12.3: The engine "node" is incompatible with this module. Expected version "^6.0". Got "8.10.0"
2018-12-10 21:33:10	~ben	wot
2018-12-10 21:33:17	jan6	lol
2018-12-10 21:33:18	tomasino	haha
2018-12-10 21:33:20	tomasino	yay node!
2018-12-10 21:33:26	jan6	you're too far into the futureeeeee
2018-12-10 21:33:39	~ben	does ^ not mean what i think it means?
2018-12-10 21:34:44	~ben	we still haven't decided which domain to use
2018-12-10 21:36:11	@khuxkm|lounge	tild3.club?
2018-12-10 21:36:14	@khuxkm|lounge	wait no
2018-12-10 21:36:27	@khuxkm|lounge	idk
2018-12-10 21:36:30	~ben	we could repurpose it but links might break
2018-12-10 21:36:39	@khuxkm|lounge	solid.tilde.team, while long, is most descriptive
2018-12-10 21:36:49	~ben	yeah i think that's the best option tbh
2018-12-10 21:37:00	@khuxkm|lounge	or solid.ttm.sh
2018-12-10 21:37:10	@khuxkm|lounge	(which jan suggested)
2018-12-10 21:37:48	~ben	i just grabbed a wildcard cert for *.solid.tilde.team
2018-12-10 21:38:06	~ben	yarn won't install it
2018-12-10 21:38:19	~ben	and npm gives a permissions error for /usr/local/lib/nodejs
2018-12-10 21:38:26	~ben	i don't really want to install this with root
2018-12-10 21:38:47	robdrake	kind of need to though
2018-12-10 21:39:11	~ben	the directions here don't mention anything about needing root
2018-12-10 21:39:27	robdrake	check out roblifehackc.com:8443
2018-12-10 21:40:04	~ben	i can't reach that port atm
2018-12-10 21:40:17	robdrake	let me log into the box
2018-12-10 21:43:37	jan6	delet node
2018-12-10 21:47:05	robdrake	As root, you can now install the server globally:
2018-12-10 21:47:08	robdrake	$ npm install -g solid-server
2018-12-10 21:47:31	~ben	not seeing that
2018-12-10 21:47:33	~ben	https://github.com/solid/node-solid-server
2018-12-10 21:47:35	~ben	here?
2018-12-10 21:47:55	cirno	[GitHub - solid/node-solid-server: Solid server on top of the file-system in NodeJS]
2018-12-10 21:48:05	robdrake	hold on
2018-12-10 21:48:21	robdrake	https://solid.inrupt.com/docs/installing-running-nss
2018-12-10 21:48:22	cirno	[Installing and running Node Solid Server | Solid]
2018-12-10 21:48:51	robdrake	better instructions
2018-12-10 21:49:05	~ben	ok let's see
2018-12-10 21:50:52	robdrake	https://roblifehackc.com:8443/
2018-12-10 21:50:53	cirno	[Welcome to Solid]
2018-12-10 21:51:05	robdrake	the https matters, I guess
2018-12-10 21:51:51	robdrake	I can tilde.team termbin my config file if you want
2018-12-10 21:51:56	robdrake	if you remind me the url
2018-12-10 21:52:14	robdrake	or just termbin.com it
2018-12-10 21:52:24	jan6	ttm.sh for an upload button
2018-12-10 21:53:27	robdrake	well, http://termbin.com/2w7h
2018-12-10 21:53:46	robdrake	if that is any help ben
2018-12-10 21:54:17	~ben	i think i've got it 
2018-12-10 21:54:19	~ben	one moment
2018-12-10 21:54:27	robdrake	termbin.com is available from my VPS jan6, at least until the end of December
2018-12-10 21:54:42	robdrake	k
2018-12-10 21:56:16	robdrake	made #solid also
2018-12-10 21:58:19	robdrake	most offical solid discussions happen on gitter
2018-12-10 21:59:06	robdrake	brb again, need to smoke and see when the nurse is going to show up
2018-12-10 22:01:18	~ben	https://solid.tilde.team
2018-12-10 22:01:20	cirno	[Welcome to Solid]
2018-12-10 22:07:54	robdrake	cool
2018-12-10 22:10:08	robdrake	want me to make a POD as rgdrake or robdrake?
2018-12-10 22:11:35	robdrake	502 Bad Gateway
2018-12-10 22:11:55	~ben	however you like
2018-12-10 22:12:00	~ben	i'm still adjusting the nginx settings
2018-12-10 22:12:02	~ben	please hold
2018-12-10 22:19:51	robdrake	still hold? can't log in
2018-12-10 22:20:01	robdrake	could create an account
2018-12-10 22:29:38	jan6	yeah
2018-12-10 22:29:42	jan6	it be no worky
2018-12-10 22:30:34	~ben	can't log in
2018-12-10 22:30:40	jan6	^
2018-12-10 22:30:45	~ben	i've gotta run some errands but i'll have another look when i get home
2018-12-10 22:30:57	~ben	i want to get it working without the wonky port number at the end
2018-12-10 22:31:00	~ben	i really dislike those
2018-12-10 22:31:20	jan6	register doesn't error, so assuming it works, loggin just ignores everything
2018-12-10 22:31:29	jan6	port number? wut?
2018-12-10 22:31:39	jan6	I haz no port nr, lol
2018-12-10 22:32:38	~ben	yes i know i'm trying to hide it from u
2018-12-10 22:33:37	jan6	no hiding plz
2018-12-10 22:33:46	jan6	well
2018-12-10 22:34:37	jan6	I mean, if I'm port blocked, I want to know if that's the issue, or if it's the soft itself that's broke, at one or another point
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2018-12-10 22:55:10	~ben	lol no
2018-12-10 23:19:57	aewens	New blog post: https://aewens.tilde.team/blog/modern-day-wizard.html
2018-12-10 23:19:58	cirno	[Modern Day Wizard]
2018-12-10 23:23:59	~ben	no u
2018-12-10 23:25:52	amcclure	no u infinity
2018-12-10 23:25:58	~ben	thanks tildebot
2018-12-11 00:13:55	robdrake	I'm awake again
2018-12-11 00:14:04	robdrake	I needed to rest
2018-12-11 00:14:40	~ben	heh no worries
2018-12-11 00:15:12	robdrake	how goes the setup ben?
2018-12-11 00:15:18	~ben	i'm not sure why but it won't let me log in
2018-12-11 00:15:48	robdrake	ask on the forum, or let me get the gitter link
2018-12-11 00:15:58	~ben	i already asked in gitter
2018-12-11 00:16:00	~ben	no answer yet
2018-12-11 00:17:00	robdrake	most of them are early morning US time, timbl is in England after all
2018-12-11 00:17:28	~ben	heh fair enough
2018-12-11 00:17:31	~ben	i'm not really in any rush
2018-12-11 00:17:34	robdrake	I've actually gotten answers from the father of the web
2018-12-11 00:17:48	~ben	frick yea
2018-12-11 00:18:00	~ben	i see him in the chat here
2018-12-11 00:18:06	robdrake	yep
2018-12-11 00:19:20	robdrake	the forum, might be a bit faster: https://forum.solidproject.org/
2018-12-11 00:19:20	cirno	[Solid Community Forum]
2018-12-11 00:24:22	robdrake	compare your config.json to the one I shared earlier, that is where the problem probably is
2018-12-11 00:26:21	~ben	nah it's not that
2018-12-11 00:27:02	robdrake	assumption is the mother of all screwups
2018-12-11 00:27:21	~ben	i'm not assuming
2018-12-11 00:27:27	~ben	i've checked several times
2018-12-11 00:27:32	robdrake	oh ok
2018-12-11 00:27:40	~ben	you're not wrong there lol
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2018-12-11 00:39:54	hyperboredoubt	Hi, tilde.team.
2018-12-11 00:40:02	@khuxkm|lounge	hi
2018-12-11 00:40:35	hyperboredoubt	Hi.
2018-12-11 00:42:21	robdrake	I hate not being able to read the logs... oh well, I'm not paying the bills
2018-12-11 00:43:01	hyperboredoubt	Yeah, but such is life.
2018-12-11 00:43:08	hyperboredoubt	What is everyone doing today?
2018-12-11 00:44:34	robdrake	I'm out of here, going to go game
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2018-12-11 00:47:19	~ben	there are no logs
2018-12-11 00:47:25	~ben	oh
2018-12-11 00:47:28	~ben	bye
2018-12-11 00:47:29	hyperboredoubt	Hi, ben.
2018-12-11 00:47:33	~ben	o/ hyperboredoubt 
2018-12-11 00:47:42	hyperboredoubt	What is happening tonight?
2018-12-11 00:49:47	~ben	trying to get a solid node up and running
2018-12-11 00:50:27	hyperboredoubt	What is that?
2018-12-11 00:50:48	~ben	https://solid.mit.edu
2018-12-11 00:53:07	hyperboredoubt	I still don't quite get it.
2018-12-11 00:53:29	amcclure	what don't you get
2018-12-11 00:53:59	hyperboredoubt	All of it.
2018-12-11 00:54:07	hyperboredoubt	Hi, amcclure.
2018-12-11 00:54:24	~ben	https://solid.inrupt.com
2018-12-11 00:54:24	cirno	[Home | Solid]
2018-12-11 00:54:59	amcclure	hi hyperboredoubt 
2018-12-11 00:55:12	hyperboredoubt	Still extremely vague.
2018-12-11 00:55:44	hyperboredoubt	In any case, what are the SOCIAL and political structures in place to make this better than what currently exists?
2018-12-11 00:56:00	~ben	i'm no sure what exactly it is either
2018-12-11 00:56:15	~ben	but rgdrake requested it and i thought it would be cool to have it for everyone
2018-12-11 00:56:30	hyperboredoubt	Is it FLOSS?
2018-12-11 00:56:56	~ben	yeah
2018-12-11 00:57:06	~ben	tim berners-lee is one of the project leads
2018-12-11 00:58:58	hyperboredoubt	We need a way to keep corporations out.
2018-12-11 00:59:29	~ben	idk
2018-12-11 00:59:41	amcclure	oh
2018-12-11 01:00:02	hyperboredoubt	Decentralize decentralization.
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2018-12-11 01:19:50	@cmccabe	hey ubergeek 
2018-12-11 01:20:16	ubergeek	heyo cmccabe 
2018-12-11 01:24:19	~ben	wb
2018-12-11 01:28:17	ubergeek	tried moving my weechat client, and something was buggered, but I think I know what now
2018-12-11 01:28:32	ubergeek	the autojoin had me joining the tilde.chat network from two different servers
2018-12-11 01:28:38	amcclure	oh
2018-12-11 01:29:02	ubergeek	I was wondering why in some rooms I was auth'd to nickserv, but in others, I wasn't, and was using another nick lol
2018-12-11 01:29:51	amcclure	lol
2018-12-11 01:32:38	~ben	where'd ya move it to
2018-12-11 01:32:49	ubergeek	rsync from team to yourtilde
2018-12-11 01:32:59	~ben	ah ok :P
2018-12-11 01:33:16	~ben	you should be able to connect to localhost 6667 on either one
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2018-12-11 08:12:43	robdrake	Hello
2018-12-11 11:44:39	@cmccabe	hi robdrake 
2018-12-11 12:05:44	robdrake	hello
2018-12-11 12:06:15	robdrake	sorry for the late response, just woke up again
2018-12-11 14:09:33	~ben	morning
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2018-12-11 16:06:13	@cmccabe	no worries robdrake. i tend to pop in and out of irc with long breaks between, so my replies are always late.
2018-12-11 16:44:54	~ben	lol true that
2018-12-11 16:45:03	~ben	https://github.com/solid/node-solid-server/issues/1019#issuecomment-446271486
2018-12-11 16:45:06	cirno	[serverUri not respected in login popup · Issue #1019 · solid/node-solid-server · GitHub]
2018-12-11 16:45:08	amcclure	hello
2018-12-11 17:17:31	@cmccabe	hey amcclure
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2018-12-11 17:56:42	BabiliBot	[bbj] 'Christmas 2018' (cmccabe) : I have too much "stuff" and would be happy if the anti-Santa would sneak in and clean out a bunch of it.  So "empty space" is at the top of my xmas list. <https://bbj.tilde.team/index.php?thread_id=cea594d0f80c11e89429901b0efcebe0>
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2018-12-11 19:10:23	BabiliBot	[bbj] 'Christmas 2018' (aewens) : Mine is a DS218+, drives, and a SSD hotswap bay for my desktop. <https://bbj.tilde.team/index.php?thread_id=cea594d0f80c11e89429901b0efcebe0>
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2018-12-11 20:11:18	robdrake	Hello
2018-12-11 20:18:32	~ben	o/
2018-12-11 20:18:40	~ben	did you see the note i left in #solid
2018-12-11 20:18:42	~ben	oh
2018-12-11 20:18:49	~ben	you disconnected
2018-12-11 20:19:06	~ben	i ended up movnig solid.tilde.team to a vps
2018-12-11 20:19:23	~ben	and skipping the proxy, binding to 443 directly
2018-12-11 20:19:26	~ben	still didn't work
2018-12-11 20:34:43	robdrake	ouch
2018-12-11 20:39:16	~ben	wait
2018-12-11 20:39:18	~ben	try it now
2018-12-11 20:39:39	~ben	turns out that the init command for generating the config skips the external url setting
2018-12-11 20:39:50	~ben	and when i ran it for the first time, it got saved to the db
2018-12-11 20:40:21	~ben	then i fixed it, and it was still using the default uri from the first time i ran it
2018-12-11 20:40:31	~ben	uuuf
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2018-12-11 21:34:25	edwardthefma	Yay Whopper's for 1 cent via Burger king app  @ McDonalds
2018-12-11 21:55:26	robdrake	yawn
2018-12-11 22:26:44	robdrake	ben, have you tried installing an earlier version of the solid server software?
2018-12-11 22:27:21	~ben	it should be working now robdrake
2018-12-11 22:27:39	robdrake	oh oh ok
2018-12-11 22:29:58	robdrake	cool
2018-12-11 22:30:52	robdrake	Has anyone done the tutorial "An application before lunch"?
2018-12-11 22:31:22	robdrake	but brb
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2018-12-11 23:34:19	hyperboredoubt	Hi, again.
2018-12-11 23:53:28	robdrake	Hello
2018-12-11 23:57:33	hyperboredoubt	Hi, robdrake.
2018-12-11 23:59:16	ahriman	henlo robdrake 
2018-12-12 00:07:56	hyperboredoubt	Hi, ahriman.
2018-12-12 00:09:45	ahriman	henlo hyperboredoubt 
2018-12-12 00:58:33	mastergeek	hey people, I have to go afk but I was wondering if we can have personal mount points in /etc/fstab to mount our file based filesystems on
2018-12-12 00:59:03	mastergeek	like, I want a btrfs fs on a file to store backups of things and use it's transparrent compression features
2018-12-12 00:59:15	mastergeek	well, I'll go off now, bb
2018-12-12 00:59:18	hyperboredoubt	Bye.
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2018-12-12 06:11:55	fosslinux	ben: is there a vpn server?
2018-12-12 06:12:01	~ben	?
2018-12-12 06:12:07	~ben	there are plenty of vpn servers out there
2018-12-12 06:12:10	fosslinux	is there a vpn server on ~team
2018-12-12 06:12:25	fosslinux	i'll just use ssh tunnel if not
2018-12-12 06:13:15	~ben	what no
2018-12-12 06:13:27	fosslinux	oh ok
2018-12-12 06:13:48	fosslinux	yeah i know there are plenty of vpn servers but the free ones i don't trust
2018-12-12 06:14:51	~ben	yeah i woudln't trust any free ones
2018-12-12 06:20:05	jan6|	depends a little
2018-12-12 06:21:25	jan6|	stuff like WindScribe ain't too bad, imo
2018-12-12 06:42:56	robdrake	hello jan6
2018-12-12 06:43:21	robdrake	jan6, aren't you up too early?
2018-12-12 06:53:37	ahriman	fosslinux: nordvpn is who i use, they are cheap
2018-12-12 11:56:04	jan6|	08 at morning ain't too early at all ;p
2018-12-12 15:08:58	mastergeek	what's the meaning of that daunting 9!! on byobu's status line?
2018-12-12 15:12:12	jan6	it means "use a multiplexer that makes sense instead of this" ;P
2018-12-12 15:12:15	~ben	pending updates
2018-12-12 15:12:34	mastergeek	oh, updates
2018-12-12 15:14:00	~ben	just updated so it will go away eventually
2018-12-12 15:14:07	~ben	f5 to refresh
2018-12-12 15:14:09	mastergeek	oh no, it's up to 11 !!!
2018-12-12 15:14:50	~ben	i already ran apt upgrade
2018-12-12 15:15:06	mastergeek	yeah, byobu-info tells 0 so I'll give it some time
2018-12-12 15:15:50	~ben	it's a handy little reminder for me to run package updates
2018-12-12 17:13:32	tomasino	ben ben ben ben ben
2018-12-12 17:17:32	jan6	wat
2018-12-12 17:17:49	jan6	r u midl0w now?
2018-12-12 17:18:36	~ben	tomasino tomasino tomasino tomasino tomasino 
2018-12-12 17:18:40	~ben	o/
2018-12-12 17:18:45	tomasino	hiya
2018-12-12 17:18:47	tomasino	:)
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2018-12-12 17:38:51	~ben	lol
2018-12-12 17:39:22	arne	ben ben ben
2018-12-12 17:40:25	~ben	arne arne arne 
2018-12-12 17:40:40	arne	henlo
2018-12-12 17:40:41	arne	:)
2018-12-12 17:41:17	~ben	how goes
2018-12-12 17:41:40	arne	good
2018-12-12 18:09:58	~ben	gud
2018-12-12 18:30:30	ubergeek	at least there's no reeeeing lol
2018-12-12 18:32:38	~ben	srsly
2018-12-12 18:33:01	arne	reee
2018-12-12 18:33:54	 *	ben wields :banhammer:
2018-12-12 18:34:41	robdrake	banhammer is out?
2018-12-12 18:34:59	arne	lol noo
2018-12-12 18:35:00	arne	please
2018-12-12 18:35:04	arne	dun ban me
2018-12-12 18:37:54	~ben	no ree
2018-12-12 18:40:02	arne	okee
2018-12-12 18:47:06	ahriman	lolll
2018-12-12 19:01:55	jan6	!setv ree REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2018-12-12 19:01:56	cirno	Set `ree' to: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2018-12-12 19:03:20	ubergeek	...
2018-12-12 19:03:29	ubergeek	:P
2018-12-12 19:03:37	ubergeek	O.o
2018-12-12 19:04:10	jan6	you said you disliked {ree} so of course I negated it, it's who I am ;P
2018-12-12 19:04:10	cirno	REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 
2018-12-12 19:04:29	~ben	seriously
2018-12-12 19:08:56	ahriman	o m g
2018-12-12 19:14:43	~ben	just don't
2018-12-12 19:16:51	ubergeek	 /kick cirno
2018-12-12 19:17:06	ubergeek	 /mode -v cirno
2018-12-12 19:37:17	mastergeek	can I haz context?
2018-12-12 19:39:04	fosslinux	??
2018-12-12 19:41:56	jan6	^^
2018-12-12 19:45:28	arne	ok i think i finished setting up my apline box
2018-12-12 19:45:54	ahriman	arne you know vpses are super cheap nowadays
2018-12-12 19:46:00	ahriman	like 2.49eur at hetzner
2018-12-12 19:46:01	arne	im no money
2018-12-12 19:46:07	ahriman	oh
2018-12-12 19:46:42	ahriman	you can't do $3/mo? that's like change i can find in the couch
2018-12-12 19:46:48	arne	no
2018-12-12 19:46:48	ahriman	and im a broke-ass mf
2018-12-12 19:46:50	arne	nope
2018-12-12 19:47:00	arne	i dont even have a way to get that shit on internet
2018-12-12 19:47:04	arne	wait
2018-12-12 19:47:08	arne	i can do at least $10/mo
2018-12-12 19:53:42	ahriman	you can get a hell of a vps from hetzner for $10/mo, and if you get into like $25-28/mo you can get a dedicated server from their auction page
2018-12-12 20:09:40	~ben	yeah the 10eur one is very beefy for a vps
2018-12-12 20:11:32	jan6	AND you'll get acces to what is basically the tty, afaik
2018-12-12 20:11:40	jan6	so can fix your own goofs
2018-12-12 20:39:32	ahriman	"oops i dun goof'd, oh yeah i have console access"
2018-12-12 20:39:47	 *	ben knocks on wood
2018-12-12 20:39:59	~ben	had to do that for one of the #! shell servers a couple months ago
2018-12-12 20:40:06	~ben	rogue cron'd forkbomb
2018-12-12 20:40:28	arne	oof
2018-12-12 20:44:14	ahriman	oof
2018-12-12 20:44:21	ahriman	no es bueno
2018-12-12 20:48:34	 *	jan6 is now forever afrain of bash loops, lol
2018-12-12 20:48:59	jan6	y'know, after crashing the entirety of ~town with them, while trying to make an irc bot, lol
2018-12-12 20:58:12	~ben	just don't be dumb™
2018-12-12 20:58:15	~ben	I guess
2018-12-12 20:58:49	BabiliBot	[bbj] 'How many users?' (cmccabe) : related to this question, i checked on monday and  found 60 distinct users that had logged in between saturday and then, and over 1500 total logins  during that period.  this is a huge increase relative to early 2018, and judging by the pace of new user sign-ups, it has the potential to grow a lot more over the next year.  ben will be renting a dedicated server room for tilde.team soon. <https://bbj.tilde.team/index.php?threa
2018-12-12 20:58:51	cirno	[~team BBJ]
2018-12-12 21:23:12	jan6	hmm
2018-12-12 21:23:28	jan6	@ that, I'd say...a user graph, someone?
2018-12-12 22:42:06	~ben	hm?
2018-12-12 22:43:23	jan6	"this is a huge increase" blablabla, so it'd be cool to have an automatic graph showing online & registred users over time
2018-12-12 22:43:43	jan6	probably average per day, or such, by default
2018-12-12 22:44:09	jan6	or per week, rather, with optional per-day one
2018-12-12 22:46:29	~ben	oh yeah that could be cool
2018-12-12 22:50:38	jan6	I guess once the thing is done it's easy to tweak for a per-day or per-month or per-week or per-year graph
2018-12-12 23:51:32	amcclure[team]	how about
2018-12-12 23:51:49	amcclure[team]	wait
2018-12-12 23:52:10	amcclure[team]	nvm
2018-12-12 23:52:23	amcclure[team]	misread what jan wrote
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2018-12-13 00:01:54	hyperboredoubt	Hi, again.
2018-12-13 00:19:19	~ben	wb
2018-12-13 00:24:12	@cmccabe	hi hyperboredoubt 
2018-12-13 00:33:42	hyperboredoubt	Hi, cmccabe.
2018-12-13 00:33:48	hyperboredoubt	Hi, ben.
2018-12-13 00:35:16	~ben	o/
2018-12-13 00:45:03	amcclure[town]	hi ben, hyperboredoubt, cmccabe 
2018-12-13 00:46:50	hyperboredoubt	 Hi, amcclure[town].
2018-12-13 01:08:59	~ben	heads up ~teammates, there's a tildeteam mailing list now: https://lists.tildeverse.org/hyperkitty/list/tildeteam@lists.tildeverse.org/
2018-12-13 01:09:00	cirno	[
2018-12-13 01:17:17	hyperboredoubt	Cool!
2018-12-13 01:20:23	~ben	there should be a mail waiting for you in your inbox
2018-12-13 01:22:39	hyperboredoubt	I might check it later.
2018-12-13 01:23:05	~ben	ah right that's your yourtilde user
2018-12-13 01:23:20	hyperboredoubt	Yep.
2018-12-13 01:35:56	@cmccabe	hi amcclure[town] 
2018-12-13 01:36:17	amcclure[town]	hello
2018-12-13 01:38:21	~ben	how goes it cmccabe 
2018-12-13 01:38:25	~ben	happy wednesday
2018-12-13 01:38:30	@cmccabe	happy hump day
2018-12-13 01:39:00	hyperboredoubt	Lewd,lol.
2018-12-13 01:39:15	@cmccabe	i'm afk for a bit and back later. popcorn and apples time with the kids. such a wholesome evening.
2018-12-13 01:39:19	~ben	heh only partially lewd
2018-12-13 01:39:26	~ben	aww nice :)
2018-12-13 03:00:58	@cmccabe	yum. apples.
2018-12-13 03:01:21	~ben	heh nice
2018-12-13 03:21:20	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed 86d8dcb to master. (add skeleton.html; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/86d8dcb)
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2018-12-13 12:05:32	@cmccabe	the time is now 12:05 pm UTC
2018-12-13 12:16:38	slipyx	if you say so
2018-12-13 12:17:14	jan6	it is 14:16 here, and 07 @ tilderealm
2018-12-13 13:32:08	~ben	the time is now
2018-12-13 13:49:46	erxeto	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GY9DWIfpwc
2018-12-13 13:49:47	cirno	[Moloko - The Time Is Now - Official Video - YouTube]
2018-12-13 13:50:01	erxeto	just came to mind hehehehe
2018-12-13 14:13:05	~ben	heh
2018-12-13 14:28:16	giteabot	[team/site] tilde.team pushed 17 commits to master. (Merge branch 'style-select-dropdowns' of team/site into master, Merge branch 'style-select-dropdowns' of team/site into master, add skeleton.html, check against previous sha1s, make sure index.php exists before sha1'ing it, update other-tildes page, update domains, add fuckup.club, add links on /css/ to swap between hacker and dracula theme previews, skip default pages, remove
2018-12-13 14:28:16	giteabot	reference to defunct admin app, add tos, Adding tildezone logos, Merge branch 'cosmic-voyage' of tomasino/site into master, added cosmic-voyage to other-tildes list, Update package-lock.json, Add styling to dropdowns; https://tildegit.org/team/site/compare/c21c74440cf1d9525302a0446852a81b50f382f4...4033845a9029a7bf940755ba7a38d190be712dcc)
2018-12-13 14:28:16	 *	BabiliBot is ignoring giteabot for reason 'Auto-banished'
2018-12-13 14:32:07	giteabot	[team/site] Robert Miles pushed 75d82b0 to master. (Change "other tildes" link to tildeverse members; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/75d82b0)
2018-12-13 14:33:11	tomasino	i got merged again?
2018-12-13 14:39:09	@khuxkm|lounge	nah, it just took giteabot a while to get pinged by gitea
2018-12-13 14:39:11	@khuxkm|lounge	:P
2018-12-13 14:42:16	~ben	oh no
2018-12-13 14:42:39	~ben	you didn't rebase
2018-12-13 14:47:06	jan6	all your rebase are belong to us
2018-12-13 14:47:38	tomasino	rebasing is for suckers
2018-12-13 14:47:55	tomasino	except for local branch rebases to squash commits prior to PRs
2018-12-13 14:51:01	ubergeek	squash origin/master!
2018-12-13 14:51:18	ubergeek	commit history is for lusers! :P
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2018-12-13 14:56:50	~ben	yes it was a local branch that should have been rebase
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2018-12-13 15:02:49	tomasino	oh, then yeah... BOOO!!!
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2018-12-13 15:16:05	~ben	i had to rebase origin/master one time when one of aewens' PRs was based on a super old commit :(
2018-12-13 15:17:47	ubergeek	personally, I would have rejected that one lol
2018-12-13 15:18:00	ubergeek	With a message,"Rebase your branch, brah"
2018-12-13 15:20:03	~ben	khuxkm|lounge: merged it from the web it seems
2018-12-13 15:45:14	tomasino	brah
2018-12-13 15:46:31	~ben	:/
2018-12-13 15:47:00	ubergeek	... or "bruh"
2018-12-13 15:48:38	~ben	breh
2018-12-13 16:24:43	jan6	breathen
2018-12-13 17:29:11	arne	ben is normal that i got autosubscribed to meta list even if i didnt had an account?
2018-12-13 17:29:32	~ben	i didn't auto-subscribe anyone to the meta list...
2018-12-13 17:29:39	~ben	just the tildeteam@lists.tildeverse.org one
2018-12-13 17:29:43	arne	oh
2018-12-13 17:29:51	arne	i got confusion
2018-12-13 17:29:55	arne	sowwy o//w//o
2018-12-13 17:30:09	~ben	did you get auto-subscribed to meta too?
2018-12-13 17:30:16	arne	nop
2018-12-13 17:30:36	~ben	heh ok
2018-12-13 17:30:41	~ben	there are only 5 people on the meta list
2018-12-13 17:31:58	arne	how do i import a pgp key into gpg?
2018-12-13 17:31:58	~ben	list archives go here: https://lists.tildeverse.org/hyperkitty/list/tildeteam@lists.tildeverse.org/
2018-12-13 17:32:00	cirno	[
2018-12-13 17:32:16	~ben	wget http://url/key.asc
2018-12-13 17:32:20	~ben	gpg --import key.asc
2018-12-13 17:32:35	arne	that is for public only?
2018-12-13 17:32:40	~ben	hm?
2018-12-13 17:32:55	~ben	yeah public key only
2018-12-13 17:33:13	~ben	i think there's --import-secret-key but you should double check
2018-12-13 17:35:25	arne	oh its --import for both types
2018-12-13 17:35:51	~ben	ook
2018-12-13 17:38:13	arne	yas now i have pgp
2018-12-13 17:38:59	~ben	owo
2018-12-13 17:39:01	~ben	finally
2018-12-13 17:40:47	arne	owo the ttm client gets the 'wuote' email all at bottom
2018-12-13 17:42:01	~ben	ttm client?
2018-12-13 17:42:08	arne	webmail
2018-12-13 17:42:15	~ben	what's wuote
2018-12-13 17:42:26	~ben	i don't understand 
2018-12-13 17:42:31	arne	quote
2018-12-13 17:42:38	arne	when you do "> blaa"
2018-12-13 17:42:43	arne	i was writing fats lil
2018-12-13 17:42:49	arne	s/fats lil/fast lol
2018-12-13 17:42:49	sedbot	<arne> i was writing fast lol
2018-12-13 17:43:09	~ben	do you mean it top-posts by default?
2018-12-13 17:43:22	arne	yeah
2018-12-13 17:44:20	~ben	:(
2018-12-13 17:44:26	arne	https://ttm.sh/PA.PNG
2018-12-13 17:44:31	~ben	i wonder if there's a config option for that
2018-12-13 17:45:08	arne	i didnt find any
2018-12-13 17:45:38	~ben	at least there's default text editor -> plain (forced)
2018-12-13 17:45:51	arne	yeah
2018-12-13 17:45:57	arne	i have that checked in :)
2018-12-13 17:46:10	~ben	well of course ;)
2018-12-13 17:46:21	~ben	i quite like rainloop
2018-12-13 17:47:06	arne	to make a thread i send a email to the list?
2018-12-13 17:48:53	~ben	yup!
2018-12-13 17:49:43	arne	lol what "The message is not from a list member"
2018-12-13 17:49:58	arne	i made an account in the web UI using the same email
2018-12-13 17:50:09	~ben	what mail address are you sending as
2018-12-13 17:50:23	arne	oh i didnt subscribe in web UI
2018-12-13 17:50:26	arne	arne@ttm.sh
2018-12-13 17:50:45	~ben	arne@tilde.team is subscribed
2018-12-13 17:51:06	~ben	arne@ttm.sh is now too
2018-12-13 17:51:17	arne	oh thats why
2018-12-13 17:51:20	arne	thanks
2018-12-13 17:51:35	~ben	do you want me to remove the @tilde.team subscription
2018-12-13 17:52:53	arne	ok
2018-12-13 17:53:02	arne	i only use the ttm.sh mail so...
2018-12-13 17:53:07	~ben	pl
2018-12-13 17:53:09	~ben	ok
2018-12-13 18:16:03	@khuxkm|lounge	why is it so bad I didn't rebase?
2018-12-13 18:17:27	~ben	it fucks shit up
2018-12-13 18:24:49	@khuxkm|lounge	like whoever is redirecting to thunix.cf in their userpage?
2018-12-13 18:25:47	arne	what
2018-12-13 18:26:24	@khuxkm|lounge	someone is redirecting to thunix.cf in their userpage and it's not properly set up with SSL encryption
2018-12-13 18:26:32	@khuxkm|lounge	meaning it crashes the TDP generator
2018-12-13 18:28:46	M-l4p1n	Good news ben : Rspamd likes you
2018-12-13 18:38:49	@khuxkm|lounge	?
2018-12-13 18:41:53	~ben	M-l4p1n: godo
2018-12-13 18:41:55	~ben	good
2018-12-13 18:42:08	~ben	my mailserver gets 10/10 from mail-tester.com ;)
2018-12-13 18:42:27	arne	wew
2018-12-13 18:42:42	~ben	also M-l4p1n your l4p1n@l4p1n.ch address isn't a member of the list
2018-12-13 18:43:34	~ben	i allowed it now but you can sign up with l4p1n@tilde.team and adjust your mail addresses
2018-12-13 18:50:14	arne	ben where is ttm server located ?
2018-12-13 18:50:33	~ben	ttm.sh is on tilde.team 
2018-12-13 18:50:55	arne	let me rephrase, where is tilde.team server located
2018-12-13 18:50:59	~ben	germany
2018-12-13 18:51:01	arne	i associate ttm with tilde.team
2018-12-13 18:51:03	arne	thanks
2018-12-13 18:51:18	~ben	oh i understood it as the ttm.sh uploader thingy
2018-12-13 18:53:51	M-l4p1n	ben: is it normal if I don't receive a confirmation mail from the lists server ?
2018-12-13 18:53:56	~ben	no
2018-12-13 18:54:28	M-l4p1n	of course not, what the heck am I asking
2018-12-13 18:54:57	~ben	confirmation for what?
2018-12-13 18:55:15	M-l4p1n	the list server. Signed up with l4p1n@tilde.team
2018-12-13 18:55:31	M-l4p1n	eh
2018-12-13 18:55:36	M-l4p1n	nvm, I'm dumb XD
2018-12-13 18:55:40	~ben	you're already signed up with that address
2018-12-13 18:55:52	~ben	heh
2018-12-13 18:56:13	M-l4p1n	I guess you've aliased email adresses, haven't you ?
2018-12-13 18:56:19	~ben	um
2018-12-13 18:56:21	~ben	no
2018-12-13 18:56:28	~ben	you might have something in ~/.forward though
2018-12-13 18:56:57	M-l4p1n	not a directory
2018-12-13 18:57:00	M-l4p1n	but meh, I've got it
2018-12-13 18:57:24	~ben	it's not a directory it's a file
2018-12-13 18:57:45	M-l4p1n	I'm really... Idk tonight
2018-12-13 18:57:55	~ben	you have l4p1n@l4p1n.met-hardware.fr in there
2018-12-13 18:58:10	M-l4p1n	Good thing I kept the MX record in the DNS
2018-12-13 18:58:10	~ben	that's quite a mounthful
2018-12-13 18:58:30	~ben	mail falls back to the a record if no mx exists fyi
2018-12-13 18:58:39	M-l4p1n	Oh good
2018-12-13 19:00:15	erxeto	ben, did  you subscribe us with the @tilde.team account or with the account we used to sign up ?
2018-12-13 19:00:26	~ben	i just did all users @tilde.team
2018-12-13 19:00:59	erxeto	and what's the password for list.tildeverse, same as for the shell ?
2018-12-13 19:02:21	~ben	no account exists, but you can manage your existing subscriptions if you make an account with the same email address
2018-12-13 19:37:05	robdrake	ben to continue our #solid discussion here, any small thing you need coded with either a lamp stack or couchdb, express, vue, node?
2018-12-13 19:37:47	robdrake	couchdb could be mysql or postgres
2018-12-13 19:39:46	~ben	i can't think of anything atm
2018-12-13 19:40:09	robdrake	k
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2018-12-13 20:37:22	robdrake	couldn't sleep
2018-12-13 20:37:45	robdrake	did get Rayma, my significant other, a Christmas present
2018-12-13 20:37:58	robdrake	well, another present
2018-12-13 20:38:34	~ben	you have an interesting sleep schedule :P
2018-12-13 20:55:02	robdrake	just depends on when I need to rest
2018-12-13 21:20:12	~ben	fair enough
2018-12-13 21:30:37	edwardthefma	The mail list thing is cool but I forgot I use my tilde team account to bounce emails
2018-12-13 21:30:58	edwardthefma	Forward XD
2018-12-13 21:31:33	~ben	please don't send html mail to lists
2018-12-13 21:31:45	amcclure	^
2018-12-13 21:32:03	~ben	yeah i had to manually approve the message since you hadn't subscribed
2018-12-13 21:32:24	amcclure	every time someone posts to mailing list with html, I die
2018-12-13 21:33:04	edwardthefma	I need to use my team email to post to the list
2018-12-13 21:33:09	~ben	yeah, please do
2018-12-13 21:35:16	edwardthefma	This could be quite useful for every one who uses the minecraft server
2018-12-13 21:35:53	~ben	i can make a list for that if you like
2018-12-13 21:36:03	 *	edwardthefma suggests a minecraft@lists.tildeverse.org
2018-12-13 21:37:02	edwardthefma	But you need to sub to it instead of being default every body subbed
2018-12-13 21:37:50	~ben	yes
2018-12-13 21:37:52	~ben	i just made it
2018-12-13 21:37:59	edwardthefma	Cool
2018-12-13 21:38:04	~ben	minecraft-join@lists.tildeverse.org
2018-12-13 21:38:15	~ben	send a mail there with subscribe in the subject
2018-12-13 21:38:34	~ben	tbh when you tried to send a mail from your gmail i thought you were https://tilde.team/~slayer/
2018-12-13 21:38:44	~ben	edwardthefma: ^
2018-12-13 21:39:34	edwardthefma	I'm subbed
2018-12-13 21:40:01	edwardthefma	I'm edwardthefma
2018-12-13 21:54:23	~ben	i know 
2018-12-13 21:54:36	~ben	ok cool
2018-12-14 00:10:25	@cmccabe	good evening friends
2018-12-14 00:18:10	deepend	hi cmccabe 
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2018-12-14 02:24:16	hyperboredoubt	Saluton!
2018-12-14 02:27:15	@cmccabe	hi deepend 
2018-12-14 02:27:26	@cmccabe	hi hyperboredoubt 
2018-12-14 02:27:34	hyperboredoubt	Hi, cmccabe.
2018-12-14 02:31:20	@cmccabe	what goes tonight?
2018-12-14 02:33:24	hyperboredoubt	Not much. I'm just checking out /r/DeepIntoYoutube.
2018-12-14 02:33:25	deepend	not alot apparently. pretty quiet 
2018-12-14 02:36:21	@cmccabe	deepend: how is your~ going?  i've been meaning to spend more time there.
2018-12-14 02:37:39	deepend	its going pretty good.. Kinda been focused more on the tildeverse as a whole instead of things just on your~.   But as a whole is going good :) 
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2018-12-14 02:45:40	@cmccabe	nice.
2018-12-14 02:46:22	@cmccabe	and the tildeverse is exciting too, getting a lot of attention all around.
2018-12-14 04:47:38	ahriman	hello everyone
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2018-12-14 12:28:12	@cmccabe	morning
2018-12-14 14:31:52	~ben	o/
2018-12-14 16:57:58	giteabot	[team/site] Paco Esteban pushed 3 commits to master. (spelling corrections and mentions to upload files to ttm.sh, Changes according to ~ben's comments, mailing lists wiki page; https://tildegit.org/team/site/compare/75d82b08ef6e007f303f3fa6fc174d9034de6817...77392d027579715a3d0cf369cc50f41a05f4394a)
2018-12-14 17:03:22	giteabot	[team/site] Paco Esteban pushed 26d7107 to master. (lists link correction; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/26d7107)
2018-12-14 17:06:44	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed e3968be to master. (fix links; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/e3968be)
2018-12-14 18:24:18	erxeto	it takes my full name now, hehehe
2018-12-14 18:24:38	 *	erxeto shrugs
2018-12-14 18:24:49	@cmccabe	afternoon
2018-12-14 18:25:12	erxeto	hey cmccabe 
2018-12-14 18:41:36	~ben	heh who knows
2018-12-14 18:44:00	robdrake	anything I can do to help tilde.team?
2018-12-14 18:47:58	@cmccabe	hi erxeto 
2018-12-14 18:48:18	@cmccabe	robdrake: want to help write tutorials for the ~team linux learning program?
2018-12-14 18:49:23	robdrake	so rusty writing, but I could give it a try
2018-12-14 18:49:49	robdrake	never completed English 101 in college
2018-12-14 18:53:53	robdrake	I haven't done any writing except for code since high school, graduated in '91
2018-12-14 18:54:22	robdrake	but I'll give it a shot, got a wish list of tutorials?
2018-12-14 18:55:50	absorto	Hey ppl! how are you doing ? Can someone tell me how to change from byobu to tmux as my default terminal multiplexer?
2018-12-14 18:56:48	robdrake	I haven't explored this system that far yet absorto, but check like .bashrc
2018-12-14 18:57:07	absorto	I saw how to disable byobu on the welcoming email
2018-12-14 18:57:46	absorto	good guess!
2018-12-14 18:58:17	robdrake	not a guess, I just know the purpose of .bash*
2018-12-14 18:58:32	@cmccabe	robdrake: even more important than english skill is just the step-by-step order of the tutorial.  all the tutorials are stored in a wiki, so others can help clean up the grammar and wording if you'd like.
2018-12-14 18:58:56	robdrake	ok, is the wish list in the wiki?
2018-12-14 18:59:05	robdrake	brb cigarette break
2018-12-14 19:00:36	@cmccabe	if there is a wishlist, it might be in cryptpad.  << paging ben >>
2018-12-14 19:01:04	@cmccabe	personally, i think an intro to command-line git for collaborative projects would be great.  and it could be a very short, simple tutorial.
2018-12-14 19:01:31	~ben	absorto: byobu is tmux
2018-12-14 19:01:59	~ben	(with ctrl-a instead of ctrl-b)
2018-12-14 19:02:18	~ben	cmccabe: robdrake i think the latest one that comes to mind would be a git tutorial
2018-12-14 19:04:31	absorto	~ben: Ahh! Great, it was the ctrl+a that I was missing then. Thank you for the headsup
2018-12-14 19:04:37	@cmccabe	ben, is there an RCS on ~team?
2018-12-14 19:04:58	~ben	np :)
2018-12-14 19:05:26	~ben	if you already have a heavily customized .tmux.conf, then i'd recommend switching from byobu to bare tmux
2018-12-14 19:05:36	~ben	at least for me, ctrl-a is a much nicer prefix
2018-12-14 19:05:41	~ben	cmccabe: RCS?
2018-12-14 19:05:47	@cmccabe	i was trying to think of how to implement a command line wiki, but realized that RCS might be it.
2018-12-14 19:05:54	absorto	Great, I will have a look
2018-12-14 19:06:18	~ben	Rich Communication Services?
2018-12-14 19:06:20	@cmccabe	RCS revision control system. simple directory of text files that users can check-in/check-out and modify
2018-12-14 19:06:33	~ben	git
2018-12-14 19:06:47	~ben	https://tildegit.org/team/site/src/branch/master/wiki
2018-12-14 19:06:52	~ben	just clone team/site
2018-12-14 19:06:56	~ben	edit wiki pages
2018-12-14 19:06:58	~ben	PR
2018-12-14 19:07:33	~ben	it's all markdown so it looks fine if you view the wiki pages locally too
2018-12-14 19:07:37	@cmccabe	that is for a web based wiki.
2018-12-14 19:07:51	@cmccabe	but i guess that could be any file type. so you're right
2018-12-14 19:08:13	~ben	i don't really want to have duplicate content
2018-12-14 19:08:48	~ben	unless you're thinking of other things that don't belong in the main wiki?
2018-12-14 19:09:27	@cmccabe	yes, just for internal documents.  but i was also thinking about pubnixes more generally. just thinking about what commandline-only tools are desired.
2018-12-14 19:10:45	robdrake	I'll do a basic git project setup later
2018-12-14 19:11:04	robdrake	no node references at all :P
2018-12-14 19:12:10	robdrake	now a question from me: how do I use my gopher hole? do I just put text file in pub_gopher, or whatever the dir is?
2018-12-14 19:13:03	robdrake	s/pub_gopher/public_gopher
2018-12-14 19:13:03	sedbot	<robdrake> now a question from me: how do I use my gopher hole? do I just put text file in public_gopher, or whatever the dir is?
2018-12-14 19:13:16	@cmccabe	yes, and make it public readable
2018-12-14 19:13:27	robdrake	thanks
2018-12-14 19:14:09	robdrake	my user name is rgdrake, what is the URI for the gopher hole, besides gopher://
2018-12-14 19:14:16	@cmccabe	sure.  happy tunneling. 
2018-12-14 19:14:42	~ben	gopher://tilde.team/0/~rgdrake
2018-12-14 19:15:14	~ben	if you're interested, i started some git documentation last year: https://benharri.github.io/learngit
2018-12-14 19:15:19	robdrake	thanks ben, I'll be putting the links for #solid in my gopher hole and my solid POD
2018-12-14 19:15:40	~ben	there's also a gopher proxy: https://gopher.tilde.team/tilde.team/
2018-12-14 19:15:53	robdrake	new content in #solid btw, how to use permissions
2018-12-14 19:16:10	~ben	cool
2018-12-14 19:16:37	~ben	khuxkm|lounge: can you think of a good way to exclude unchanged gopherholes from the list on gopher://tilde.team
2018-12-14 19:16:44	@cmccabe	gopher://tilde.team/1/~robdrake
2018-12-14 19:17:04	~ben	on https://tilde.team i compare the hash of index.php to the one in /etc/skel
2018-12-14 19:17:12	~ben	to skip default pages being listed
2018-12-14 19:17:27	~ben	i'd like to do that for gopher too
2018-12-14 19:17:33	@cmccabe	why not just nix public_gopher from skel so that people have to create it?
2018-12-14 19:17:59	~ben	too late
2018-12-14 19:18:08	~ben	there are already a bunch of users that have it
2018-12-14 19:18:25	@cmccabe	time machine, ben. time machine.
2018-12-14 19:19:07	~ben	hehe right
2018-12-14 19:19:19	~ben	lol yeah look at the list on there
2018-12-14 19:23:00	ubergeek	look at the ctime on the landing gophermap
2018-12-14 19:23:13	ubergeek	I think it keeps the one from skel
2018-12-14 19:23:49	ubergeek	or, compare ctime of gopermap to ctime of ~.  If they match, it's never been updated
2018-12-14 19:24:51	ubergeek	also a hash of the default gophermaps *should* work
2018-12-14 19:25:22	ubergeek	or rather compare mtime of gophermap to ctime of ~
2018-12-14 19:26:22	~ben	just found filecmp.cmp on SO
2018-12-14 19:26:24	~ben	trying it
2018-12-14 19:31:11	~ben	https://ttm.sh/Pc.txt
2018-12-14 19:31:15	~ben	why is it trying to compare
2018-12-14 19:31:20	~ben	a file that doesn't exist
2018-12-14 19:31:36	~ben	that line shouldn't even run 
2018-12-14 19:31:54	~ben	i'm so confused
2018-12-14 19:31:56	~ben	any ideas?
2018-12-14 19:31:57	jan6	lol
2018-12-14 19:32:18	jan6	why doesn't the html compare thingy work?
2018-12-14 19:32:31	M-l4p1n	nani ?
2018-12-14 19:32:40	~ben	wym jan6 ?
2018-12-14 19:32:45	~ben	M-l4p1n: what?
2018-12-14 19:32:57	M-l4p1n	ben: exactly what I'm saying :3 
2018-12-14 19:33:01	jan6	14:17:12           ~ben | to skip default pages being listed
2018-12-14 19:33:03	jan6	14:17:27           ~ben | i'd like to do that for gopher too
2018-12-14 19:33:12	~ben	yes 
2018-12-14 19:33:14	jan6	how're they different?
2018-12-14 19:33:19	~ben	what do you mean?
2018-12-14 19:33:31	jan6	I mean, why wouldn't you be able to use the html compare thingy for gopher?
2018-12-14 19:33:36	M-l4p1n	as usual, my Matrix server is flooding the logs :3
2018-12-14 19:33:40	~ben	cause the website is php 
2018-12-14 19:33:42	jan6	s/html/php
2018-12-14 19:33:42	sedbot	<jan6> I mean, why wouldn't you be able to use the php compare thingy for gopher?
2018-12-14 19:33:47	~ben	and the base gophermap is in python
2018-12-14 19:33:54	~ben	i just posted the base gohpermap
2018-12-14 19:34:01	~ben	M-l4p1n: how big is it now
2018-12-14 19:34:07	~ben	and can you set logs to expire?
2018-12-14 19:34:29	robdrake	ok, in my public_gopher is the files gophermap and the directory phlogs, is that normal?
2018-12-14 19:34:59	jan6	sure
2018-12-14 19:35:07	~ben	yeah
2018-12-14 19:35:28	jan6	gophermap is required, it's basiclly telling where stuff is, and what types they are (technically there are other types than just text)
2018-12-14 19:35:30	M-l4p1n	now about 2 GB with all logs added up  ben  
2018-12-14 19:35:41	~ben	ooofs
2018-12-14 19:35:46	~ben	that filled up quick
2018-12-14 19:35:58	jan6	phlogs is used by some script for gopher-blogging, basically, robdrake 
2018-12-14 19:36:52	robdrake	ok thanks jan6
2018-12-14 19:37:11	jan6	ben, if you don't find anything else, and want python, I guess you can get ideas from https://www.pythoncentral.io/finding-duplicate-files-with-python/ and modify it?
2018-12-14 19:37:23	~ben	i don't want python
2018-12-14 19:37:31	~ben	but that's what the gophermpa is
2018-12-14 19:38:16	jan6	gophermap itself is usually just text, you just want it to be fancy python, lol
2018-12-14 19:38:27	~ben	that's what it already is
2018-12-14 19:38:31	~ben	i'm just updating it
2018-12-14 19:39:27	~ben	i don't understand why the second if line is even getting called since the one before it is checking for the existence of ~/public_gopher
2018-12-14 19:39:33	~ben	https://ttm.sh/Pc.txt
2018-12-14 19:39:48	jan6	but still, if you don't figure out anything better you can list the dirs, and substract the ones that are "duplicates"
2018-12-14 19:40:02	~ben	why though
2018-12-14 19:40:08	~ben	that's unnecessary
2018-12-14 19:40:14	jan6	which line?
2018-12-14 19:40:31	jan6	(I guess it is, but as I said, IF you don't figure anything better)
2018-12-14 19:45:33	~ben	got it
2018-12-14 19:45:35	~ben	i think?
2018-12-14 19:46:52	~ben	why isn't it turning links into links????
2018-12-14 19:46:56	~ben	tomasino: ^
2018-12-14 19:46:58	~ben	any ideas?
2018-12-14 19:47:50	~ben	or anyone else?
2018-12-14 19:47:50	tomasino	hmm?
2018-12-14 19:47:56	~ben	see gopher://tilde.team
2018-12-14 19:48:25	tomasino	weird... it looks like it's displaying as type 0
2018-12-14 19:49:47	tomasino	are you using a shell script as your gophermap?
2018-12-14 19:52:24	~ben	yeah
2018-12-14 19:52:28	~ben	ok i figured it out
2018-12-14 19:52:35	~ben	accidentally ran :retab
2018-12-14 19:52:40	~ben	good to go now
2018-12-14 19:55:14	tomasino	oh whew
2018-12-14 19:56:57	~ben	that was Dumb
2018-12-14 20:03:20	tomasino	nope, i hit a wall with my make solution because make doesn't do spaces in filenames
2018-12-14 20:03:22	tomasino	that's dumb
2018-12-14 20:03:40	tomasino	soooooo close to everything working beautifully
2018-12-14 20:05:44	~ben	spaces don't belong in filenames
2018-12-14 20:05:46	~ben	lol
2018-12-14 20:09:15	tomasino	agreed!
2018-12-14 20:09:29	tomasino	stupid ships with spaces in them ruining my fun
2018-12-14 20:09:40	tomasino	gonna see if i can work around it through magic
2018-12-14 20:12:57	~ben	for some reason it really bothers me to see spaces in file/dir names :P
2018-12-14 20:20:02	@cmccabe	ben
2018-12-14 20:20:48	@cmccabe	fixed a misconfig in pisg, and still testing.  but new and periodically updated stats are now linked off my ~team page: https://tilde.team/~cmccabe/
2018-12-14 20:21:35	@cmccabe	after i finish testing, i will get it off my user directory and into a central place.
2018-12-14 20:23:07	~ben	woah nice
2018-12-14 20:23:25	~ben	you should check the SomeIRCNet and MAINTAINER 
2018-12-14 20:23:28	~ben	see if you can set that
2018-12-14 20:24:05	~ben	how long do they take to generate and are you going to cron them?
2018-12-14 20:24:11	~ben	generate on demand?
2018-12-14 20:25:10	@cmccabe	it is cron'ed right now. the 17th minute of every hour.
2018-12-14 20:25:18	~ben	ahh ok sounds good
2018-12-14 20:25:40	~ben	tilde is the most used word
2018-12-14 20:25:41	@cmccabe	they generate super fast. i should profile the run to see how much gas it takes.
2018-12-14 20:25:42	~ben	nice
2018-12-14 20:26:19	~ben	 Stats generated in 00 hours 00 minutes and 07 seconds 
2018-12-14 20:26:23	~ben	right at the bottom
2018-12-14 20:26:25	@cmccabe	oh
2018-12-14 20:26:29	@cmccabe	well, that answers the question
2018-12-14 20:27:02	~ben	oof i've been pinged 4581 times in #meta
2018-12-14 20:28:07	tomasino	ugh, yeah, not gonna work as long as ships have spaces in them
2018-12-14 20:28:09	tomasino	so dumb
2018-12-14 20:28:12	~ben	yuck
2018-12-14 20:28:19	@cmccabe	i need to add an ignore list to words, so words like "there" and "something" and "would" aren't included in the frequency list.
2018-12-14 20:28:34	~ben	makes sense
2018-12-14 20:29:35	tomasino	there's plenty of common stopword datafiles you can grab online
2018-12-14 20:30:36	tomasino	i don't see anything on https://tilde.team/~cmccabe/
2018-12-14 20:30:53	tomasino	oh, had to go to the link
2018-12-14 20:30:55	tomasino	i see
2018-12-14 20:31:29	tomasino	cmccabe: http://xpo6.com/list-of-english-stop-words/
2018-12-14 20:31:40	tomasino	i know R has nice libraries to handle these. not sure about php
2018-12-14 20:31:53	~ben	it's the pisg script so perl?
2018-12-14 20:45:45	@cmccabe	thanks tomasino. yeah, r has some great text analytics tools so it makes sense that's a place to look for stopwords.
2018-12-14 20:46:12	@cmccabe	i'm hoping i can just create a plaintext file of words and use those rather than something specific within a php file.
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2018-12-15 00:06:19	tomasino	anyone built a cli tool for voting?
2018-12-15 00:06:25	tomasino	like, polls & such?
2018-12-15 00:13:14	~ben	i haven't 
2018-12-15 00:13:34	~ben	robdrake: ^ maybe a project since you were looking for seomthing earlier
2018-12-15 00:14:27	tomasino	i'd install it on cosmic if someone builds one
2018-12-15 00:14:29	tomasino	:)
2018-12-15 00:14:50	~ben	heh
2018-12-15 00:14:54	tomasino	also, ben, i'm running into some roadblocks trying to enable finger on cosmic to work externally
2018-12-15 00:15:01	~ben	lol 
2018-12-15 00:15:08	~ben	i was trying to do that the other day on ~team
2018-12-15 00:15:08	tomasino	i figured a ufw allowing port 79 and installing the daemon would do it, but apparently not
2018-12-15 00:15:14	tomasino	really? hah
2018-12-15 00:15:21	~ben	couldn't figure it out :P
2018-12-15 00:15:28	~ben	something something inetd misssing
2018-12-15 00:15:36	~ben	installed inetutils-inetd
2018-12-15 00:15:43	~ben	then tried xinetd
2018-12-15 00:15:46	tomasino	ooooh
2018-12-15 00:15:55	~ben	and various combinations of efingerd, fingerd, and cfingerd
2018-12-15 00:16:06	~ben	no dice
2018-12-15 00:16:16	tomasino	got it
2018-12-15 00:16:18	tomasino	apt-get install inetutils-inetd fingerd
2018-12-15 00:16:27	tomasino	plus ufw allow 79
2018-12-15 00:16:36	~ben	did it work?
2018-12-15 00:16:39	tomasino	yep
2018-12-15 00:16:41	~ben	oh shit
2018-12-15 00:16:43	tomasino	finger tomasino@cosmic.voyage
2018-12-15 00:16:43	~ben	nice
2018-12-15 00:16:55	~ben	oh nice
2018-12-15 00:17:08	tomasino	:D
2018-12-15 00:17:29	~ben	ok did that on ~team
2018-12-15 00:17:35	~ben	let's see if it worked
2018-12-15 00:18:00	tomasino	not yet
2018-12-15 00:18:02	tomasino	ufw?
2018-12-15 00:18:21	~ben	ufw allow 79 && ufw reload
2018-12-15 00:18:23	~ben	ye
2018-12-15 00:18:33	tomasino	huh, that's odd
2018-12-15 00:18:42	tomasino	i installed finger, then those two things
2018-12-15 00:18:44	tomasino	that's it
2018-12-15 00:18:54	~ben	already had finger
2018-12-15 00:19:04	tomasino	then i am confused! :D
2018-12-15 00:19:27	~ben	same
2018-12-15 00:19:31	~ben	:(
2018-12-15 00:20:18	tomasino	/etc/init.d/inetutils-inetd start
2018-12-15 00:20:57	fosslinux	wat does finger do
2018-12-15 00:21:19	tomasino	it shows some basic info about users, when they last logged in, checked mail, and their .plan files
2018-12-15 00:21:26	fosslinux	coool
2018-12-15 00:21:37	tomasino	it was one of the very early unix commands
2018-12-15 00:21:48	fosslinux	he
2018-12-15 00:21:50	fosslinux	unix ftw
2018-12-15 00:21:51	tomasino	https://blog.lundscape.com/2009/05/finger-daemon-on-ubuntu/
2018-12-15 00:22:10	fosslinux	dont you love it how 30 year old unix commands still exist today
2018-12-15 00:22:18	~ben	Dec 14 19:17:09 tilde inetd[3819]: fingerd/tcp: getaddrinfo: Servname not supported for ai_socktype
2018-12-15 00:22:20	~ben	huh
2018-12-15 00:22:27	tomasino	oh... that's new
2018-12-15 00:22:52	tomasino	restart fingerd?
2018-12-15 00:22:59	tomasino	maybe you needed ufw allow'd first?
2018-12-15 00:23:09	~ben	i just restarted it
2018-12-15 00:23:11	~ben	same thing
2018-12-15 00:23:11	tomasino	fosslinux: you can finger tomasino@sdf.org
2018-12-15 00:23:13	~ben	wtf
2018-12-15 00:23:37	~ben	or local users if you drop the hostname
2018-12-15 00:24:48	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-15 00:25:27	tomasino	well, you can successfully ssh tomasino@cosmic.voyage now
2018-12-15 00:25:33	tomasino	i'm sure ben will figure out team
2018-12-15 00:26:11	~ben	i'm still so confused why i'm getting that error
2018-12-15 00:26:37	~ben	tomasino: have you seen the mailing lists? :)
2018-12-15 00:27:03	tomasino	i've seen you talking about them
2018-12-15 00:27:26	@cmccabe	tomasino: by any chance did you just see my gopher post? or is it just a coincidence that you mentioned the voting thign?
2018-12-15 00:27:55	tomasino	cmccabe: my question was 100% influenced by your gopher post
2018-12-15 00:28:21	tomasino	and ben, how could i miss the 40 emails i've gotten? ;)
2018-12-15 00:28:37	~ben	lol
2018-12-15 00:28:50	@cmccabe	:)
2018-12-15 00:29:06	~ben	i finally figured out how to get the footer adjusted and i was feeling triumphant about that :D
2018-12-15 00:29:43	@cmccabe	tfurrows is planning a similar post. we thought it would be cool if we could inspire a bunch of gophernalists to write up their desired set of "pubnix core tools"
2018-12-15 00:30:00	~ben	ayyy i got it
2018-12-15 00:30:20	~ben	finger ben@tilde.team
2018-12-15 00:30:43	~ben	fingerd wasn't in /etc/services
2018-12-15 00:30:59	tomasino	oh weird
2018-12-15 00:31:07	tomasino	YAY! it worked
2018-12-15 00:31:56	tomasino	cmccabe: i think they're different for different systems, but having a library of portable pubnix focused tools would be super helpful
2018-12-15 00:32:05	tomasino	not a lot geared to multi-user single systems anymore
2018-12-15 00:32:38	@cmccabe	oh yeah, definitely different across systems.
2018-12-15 00:33:14	@cmccabe	finger searches on username as well as real name? e.g. ben brings up a bunch of other people who have ben as their first name.
2018-12-15 00:33:19	tomasino	ben, where's your PGP key and Project coming in?
2018-12-15 00:33:34	tomasino	apparently!
2018-12-15 00:33:44	~ben	heh yeah it does
2018-12-15 00:33:46	~ben	~/.plan
2018-12-15 00:33:58	~ben	and ~/.pgpkey
2018-12-15 00:34:26	~ben	oh and ~/.project
2018-12-15 00:34:43	@cmccabe	did you configure it to do .pgpkey or is that by default?
2018-12-15 00:35:08	tomasino	i wasn't aware af .pgpkey!
2018-12-15 00:35:10	tomasino	neat
2018-12-15 00:35:26	~ben	it's by default afict
2018-12-15 00:35:30	~ben	s/ic/aic
2018-12-15 00:35:30	sedbot	<ben> it's by default afaict
2018-12-15 00:37:39	<--	ubergeek_ (ubergeek@0::1) has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.3)
2018-12-15 00:39:15	tomasino	hmm, i can't find a conf file for it
2018-12-15 00:39:23	~ben	for finger?
2018-12-15 00:39:26	tomasino	yeah
2018-12-15 00:39:30	tomasino	wanna see if there's options
2018-12-15 00:39:32	~ben	i'm not aware of one lol
2018-12-15 00:40:01	~ben	man finger
2018-12-15 00:40:15	~ben	-m prevents non-loginname matches
2018-12-15 00:40:25	-->	ubergeek_ (ubergeek@0::1) has joined #team
2018-12-15 00:40:26	~ben	also lists the files that it pulls in
2018-12-15 00:40:31	~ben	wb ubergeek 
2018-12-15 00:40:46	ubergeek_	heyo
2018-12-15 00:40:58	ubergeek_	experimenting, sorry for join/part spam :(
2018-12-15 00:41:10	@cmccabe	-m would be good, i think. 
2018-12-15 00:43:03	~ben	doesn't seem to work remotely though
2018-12-15 00:45:07	@cmccabe	finger doesn't?
2018-12-15 00:45:24	~ben	-m 
2018-12-15 00:47:30	@cmccabe	you can finger remote systems, but -m doesn't prevent remote fingerings (!) from searching other fields?
2018-12-15 00:47:55	tomasino	no clue at all where config for initd happens
2018-12-15 00:47:57	tomasino	hah
2018-12-15 00:48:01	tomasino	fingerd*
2018-12-15 00:49:50	~ben	yeah exactly cmccabe 
2018-12-15 00:49:59	~ben	/etc/inetd.conf
2018-12-15 00:50:07	~ben	oh fingred conf
2018-12-15 00:50:25	~ben	man in.fingerd
2018-12-15 00:50:39	tomasino	ahha
2018-12-15 00:51:06	tomasino	i have nothing in /etc/initd.conf
2018-12-15 00:51:10	~ben	you can put flags on the end of the line in inetd.conf
2018-12-15 00:51:17	~ben	what
2018-12-15 00:51:31	~ben	if you don't have anything in inetd.conf it shouldn't be working at all
2018-12-15 00:51:38	tomasino	inet*
2018-12-15 00:51:40	tomasino	derp
2018-12-15 00:51:42	tomasino	not init
2018-12-15 00:51:44	tomasino	haha
2018-12-15 00:52:02	~ben	lol were you looking in the wrong file? :P
2018-12-15 00:52:42	tomasino	yep!
2018-12-15 00:52:45	tomasino	spelled inet.d wrong
2018-12-15 00:52:47	tomasino	like a real winner
2018-12-15 00:52:52	~ben	killin' it :D
2018-12-15 00:53:00	~ben	wow i feel so successful today!
2018-12-15 00:53:09	~ben	fingerd sorted
2018-12-15 00:53:14	~ben	and mailing list footers!
2018-12-15 00:53:22	tomasino	now, how to restart it
2018-12-15 00:54:00	~ben	inetd spins up the corresponding process when a matching request comes in
2018-12-15 00:54:17	tomasino	nice
2018-12-15 00:54:23	~ben	probably sudo service inetutils-inetd restart
2018-12-15 00:54:33	~ben	if it doesn't just work
2018-12-15 00:54:34	tomasino	/etc/init.d/inetutils-inetd restart
2018-12-15 00:54:37	tomasino	did the trick
2018-12-15 00:54:38	~ben	same thing
2018-12-15 00:54:56	~ben	i'm used to using service
2018-12-15 00:55:01	~ben	it works for systemd units too
2018-12-15 00:55:56	tomasino	oh yeah, you might want to add "-u" ben
2018-12-15 00:55:59	tomasino	finger @tilde.team
2018-12-15 00:56:04	~ben	-u?
2018-12-15 00:56:11	tomasino	don't allow @tilde.team without usernames
2018-12-15 00:56:20	~ben	oh
2018-12-15 00:56:38	~ben	yeah that's probably not great
2018-12-15 00:57:03	~ben	done
2018-12-15 00:57:10	tomasino	nice
2018-12-15 00:57:26	~ben	definitely a better idea
2018-12-15 00:57:30	tomasino	i wonder if you can customize the welcome message
2018-12-15 00:58:13	~ben	doesn't look like it
2018-12-15 00:58:17	tomasino	sdf has their fingerd really customized
2018-12-15 00:58:21	tomasino	i gotta look into that
2018-12-15 00:58:29	tomasino	like, can i just run a shell script?
2018-12-15 00:59:12	~ben	not sure
2018-12-15 00:59:22	~ben	we've reached the edge of my fingerd knowledge
2018-12-15 00:59:31	tomasino	http://www.weird.com/~woods/projects/fingerd.html
2018-12-15 00:59:41	tomasino	this is for netbsd, but i wonder if it'll work
2018-12-15 01:00:04	tomasino	even this is 20 years old
2018-12-15 01:00:58	~ben	lol it might be the same version
2018-12-15 01:01:38	fosslinux	`def could be
2018-12-15 01:02:31	tomasino	https://www.gnu.org/software//finger/manual/html_mono/finger.html
2018-12-15 01:02:35	tomasino	gnu finger 
2018-12-15 01:03:00	fosslinux	HMMMM
2018-12-15 01:03:07	~ben	nice
2018-12-15 01:03:10	fosslinux	i have a programming idea coming on
2018-12-15 01:03:15	tomasino	hah, yep
2018-12-15 01:03:24	tomasino	well, good enough for now
2018-12-15 01:03:25	fosslinux	a script that checkes my mail on all of my tidles
2018-12-15 01:03:29	~ben	or
2018-12-15 01:03:34	tomasino	i'd like to customize it one day
2018-12-15 01:03:38	~ben	you could just echo mainemail > ~/.forward
2018-12-15 01:03:45	fosslinux	so i dont have to log onto each one individually
2018-12-15 01:03:52	fosslinux	that doesen't work on all tildes ben
2018-12-15 01:03:56	~ben	wot
2018-12-15 01:04:01	~ben	which?
2018-12-15 01:04:08	~ben	oh town
2018-12-15 01:04:18	fosslinux	idk does that work on your?
2018-12-15 01:04:22	~ben	yeh 
2018-12-15 01:04:31	tomasino	works on any with outbound mail
2018-12-15 01:04:59	fosslinux	okey dokie
2018-12-15 01:05:26	~ben	far less complex than writing your own mailchecker
2018-12-15 01:05:28	fosslinux	id bettter do that on cosmic, your, institute, 
2018-12-15 01:06:10	~ben	heh as you wish :)
2018-12-15 01:06:11	fosslinux	i have so many damn emails
2018-12-15 01:06:22	fosslinux	four main ones :)
2018-12-15 01:06:45	fosslinux	personal, school, spam, and then tildes
2018-12-15 01:07:10	~ben	lol that's nothing
2018-12-15 01:07:21	fosslinux	four *main* ones
2018-12-15 01:07:32	~ben	i have *@<all my personal domains>
2018-12-15 01:07:34	fosslinux	+ i think two gmail ones + microsoft + all the other tildes
2018-12-15 01:07:37	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-15 01:07:48	fosslinux	how many personal domains do you have lol
2018-12-15 01:07:53	~ben	like 5
2018-12-15 01:07:58	fosslinux	why
2018-12-15 01:08:03	~ben	cause i couldn't decide which version of my name i wanted
2018-12-15 01:08:10	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-15 01:08:13	edwardthefma	He birds names
2018-12-15 01:08:17	edwardthefma	Hords
2018-12-15 01:08:17	tomasino	benaroni.pizza
2018-12-15 01:08:25	~ben	lol wot
2018-12-15 01:08:40	~ben	benharri.com, benharr.is, benharris.ch, bhh.sh
2018-12-15 01:09:04	fosslinux	why bhh.sh
2018-12-15 01:09:08	fosslinux	and why .ch
2018-12-15 01:09:17	tomasino	harrybens.pharmacy
2018-12-15 01:09:28	~ben	my initials are bhh
2018-12-15 01:09:29	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-15 01:09:34	fosslinux	oh kk ben
2018-12-15 01:09:41	~ben	.ch cause why not
2018-12-15 01:09:42	tomasino	no, not kk, hh
2018-12-15 01:10:05	tomasino	really missed an opportunity naming you sam
2018-12-15 01:10:07	~ben	i did a semester of my undergrad there and was feeling nostalgic at one point
2018-12-15 01:10:08	tomasino	shh is way cooler
2018-12-15 01:10:13	~ben	shh.sh?
2018-12-15 01:10:15	~ben	lol
2018-12-15 01:10:25	fosslinux	hehe i registered fosslinux.<all freenom + opennic domains>
2018-12-15 01:10:37	edwardthefma	Ssh.sh
2018-12-15 01:10:38	tomasino	i have > 3 emails.
2018-12-15 01:10:48	fosslinux	my initials are sot
2018-12-15 01:10:53	fosslinux	hmmm
2018-12-15 01:11:20	~ben	j?t
2018-12-15 01:11:26	edwardthefma	Don't ever get a cc domain
2018-12-15 01:11:27	tomasino	that's right
2018-12-15 01:11:28	tomasino	j?t
2018-12-15 01:12:03	tomasino	not.ch
2018-12-15 01:12:07	tomasino	but not sot
2018-12-15 01:12:16	tomasino	jmt
2018-12-15 01:12:21	~ben	michael?
2018-12-15 01:12:28	~ben	what's wrong with .cc?
2018-12-15 01:12:50	tomasino	copies are never as good as originals
2018-12-15 01:12:55	tomasino	yep, michael
2018-12-15 01:12:57	~ben	lol yes tru
2018-12-15 01:13:37	~ben	oh wow my laptop is at 7days uptime
2018-12-15 01:13:39	edwardthefma	Cc and CH are China owned regestares
2018-12-15 01:13:45	~ben	no
2018-12-15 01:13:50	~ben	.ch is switzerland
2018-12-15 01:13:55	tomasino	23 days uptime on my laptop
2018-12-15 01:13:59	fosslinux	lmao
2018-12-15 01:14:00	fosslinux	wtf
2018-12-15 01:14:14	~ben	.cc is cocos islands of australia
2018-12-15 01:14:21	fosslinux	owo really?
2018-12-15 01:14:21	~ben	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.cc
2018-12-15 01:14:32	tomasino	edwardthefma is a china owned nick
2018-12-15 01:14:42	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-15 01:14:46	tomasino	i read it on the internet
2018-12-15 01:14:47	~ben	yeah what are you talking about edwardthefma 
2018-12-15 01:14:49	~ben	lol
2018-12-15 01:14:51	fosslinux	my uptime is 3 hourse tomasino
2018-12-15 01:14:56	fosslinux	s/hourse/hours
2018-12-15 01:14:56	sedbot	<fosslinux> my uptime is 3 hours tomasino
2018-12-15 01:15:09	tomasino	that's great!
2018-12-15 01:15:16	tomasino	congrats
2018-12-15 01:16:02	tomasino	my laptop has been online for 2 hours more than cosmic.voyage
2018-12-15 01:16:09	~ben	lol nice
2018-12-15 01:16:17	edwardthefma	I could of sworn China had the rights to cc
2018-12-15 01:16:20	~ben	yeah no
2018-12-15 01:16:28	~ben	edwardthefma: s/of/have/
2018-12-15 01:16:28	sedbot	<edwardthefma> I could have sworn China had the rights to cc
2018-12-15 01:16:40	tomasino	give them time
2018-12-15 01:16:45	tomasino	maybe they'll invade
2018-12-15 01:17:04	edwardthefma	Who remembers .tk
2018-12-15 01:18:01	edwardthefma	You still can get .tk for free
2018-12-15 01:18:24	~ben	cmccabe: https://cmccabe.ttm.sh/ looks like your css isn't working properly
2018-12-15 01:22:15	fosslinux	edwardthefma: and 4 more others
2018-12-15 01:22:23	fosslinux	i *have* tk
2018-12-15 01:22:33	fosslinux	and all of the others
2018-12-15 01:25:17	fosslinux	fosslinux.{tk,ml,ga,cf,gq}
2018-12-15 01:26:32	fosslinux	ben: whos benharri
2018-12-15 01:26:43	fosslinux	HEYHEYEYEYEYYEYEYEYEY
2018-12-15 01:27:08	fosslinux	do you know who is here: hexhaxtron1
2018-12-15 01:27:18	tomasino	i'd like tomasino.com at some point
2018-12-15 01:27:27	tomasino	but i'm not paying the stupid fees for it
2018-12-15 01:27:29	fosslinux	$$$$$
2018-12-15 01:29:13	giteabot	[team/makeuser] Ben Harris pushed 8b3957c to bash-edition. (sub new users to the mailing list; https://tildegit.org/team/makeuser/commit/8b3957c)
2018-12-15 01:29:26	ubergeek	p/whois hexahaxtron1
2018-12-15 01:29:33	~ben	is tomasino.com premium?
2018-12-15 01:29:40	~ben	benharri is my testing account
2018-12-15 01:29:46	~ben	to test out the default configs
2018-12-15 01:29:57	ubergeek	I hate "premium" domain names...
2018-12-15 01:30:01	~ben	so dum
2018-12-15 01:30:13	tomasino	it's squatted
2018-12-15 01:30:14	ubergeek	They don't cost anymore to create.  The whole DNS registry thing really gets under my skin
2018-12-15 01:30:22	tomasino	last i checked they wanted 8k
2018-12-15 01:30:25	~ben	oh jeez
2018-12-15 01:30:26	ubergeek	smh
2018-12-15 01:30:29	fosslinux	omf
2018-12-15 01:30:31	~ben	tomasino.org is better imo
2018-12-15 01:30:50	~ben	if you can't tell i like .org
2018-12-15 01:30:51	fosslinux	i <3 fosslinux as a name
2018-12-15 01:30:57	ubergeek	I prefer .nets
2018-12-15 01:30:59	tomasino	i appreciate verisign not controlling my life
2018-12-15 01:30:59	fosslinux	because its never
2018-12-15 01:31:01	fosslinux	used
2018-12-15 01:31:08	~ben	.net is solid too
2018-12-15 01:31:13	fosslinux	minecraft.net
2018-12-15 01:31:25	~ben	dotnet.net
2018-12-15 01:31:39	ubergeek	net.dotnet.net
2018-12-15 01:31:47	tomasino	verisign owns .net
2018-12-15 01:31:55	~ben	oh do they?
2018-12-15 01:31:55	tomasino	screw them
2018-12-15 01:32:01	tomasino	.com and .net both
2018-12-15 01:32:06	tomasino	but not .org
2018-12-15 01:32:08	fosslinux	and .com ??!!
2018-12-15 01:32:14	~ben	who has .org?
2018-12-15 01:32:16	ubergeek	Not .tilde, though :P
2018-12-15 01:32:16	tomasino	that's owned by a nonprofit in reston va
2018-12-15 01:32:27	tomasino	verisign operates .gov as well
2018-12-15 01:32:51	ubergeek	;/
2018-12-15 01:32:57	ubergeek	I don't think that is accurate...
2018-12-15 01:33:27	ubergeek	but, if true...  Not wholly shocking that a private corporation owns the government lol
2018-12-15 01:33:55	~ben	not at all tbh
2018-12-15 01:35:22	tomasino	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains
2018-12-15 01:35:26	tomasino	it's near the top
2018-12-15 01:35:29	tomasino	they also run .edu
2018-12-15 01:36:14	tomasino	they run .cc
2018-12-15 01:36:19	tomasino	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verisign
2018-12-15 01:36:33	tomasino	and .tv and .jobs
2018-12-15 01:37:09	tomasino	ICANN forced them to give up .org in 2003
2018-12-15 01:37:53	tomasino	.net was supposed to stop being theirs in 2017, but i have no idea what happened
2018-12-15 01:39:14	~ben	oh wow
2018-12-15 01:40:08	tomasino	i don't care for them
2018-12-15 01:41:19	~ben	yeah no thanks
2018-12-15 01:49:48	ubergeek	They probably just refused to give it up
2018-12-15 01:49:57	ubergeek	It's not like ICANN has any real enforcement power, tbh
2018-12-15 03:00:04	@cmccabe	ben, i missed some of the finger conversation. are you trying to get that set up among tildeverse systems? or for anywhere with finger installed?
2018-12-15 03:00:28	<--	ubergeek_ (ubergeek@0::1) has quit (Quit: WeeChat 2.3)
2018-12-15 03:00:32	~ben	that sounds like something that could end up as a tildeverse rfc
2018-12-15 03:00:58	~ben	tomasino and i were talking about getting it set up as a daemon to accept external finger requests (eg user@tilde.team)
2018-12-15 03:01:06	@cmccabe	i recall vilibm was interested in finger, if security concerns could be worked out.
2018-12-15 03:01:14	~ben	i hadn't had any luck the last time i tried to get it going
2018-12-15 03:01:17	~ben	but it's working now
2018-12-15 03:01:27	~ben	so you should be able to do finger cmccabe@tilde.team etc
2018-12-15 03:01:38	~ben	cmccabe: what security concerns?
2018-12-15 03:01:44	@cmccabe	from otuside?
2018-12-15 03:01:59	~ben	ah that's right, ~town doesn't like anything external
2018-12-15 03:02:01	@cmccabe	maybe privacy, not security
2018-12-15 03:02:14	~ben	i added the -u flag to prevent it listing all users at least
2018-12-15 03:02:24	~ben	finger @tilde.team returns a list of all users without it
2018-12-15 03:02:42	@cmccabe	so i should be able to finger ~team from sdf, for example?
2018-12-15 03:02:46	~ben	yup
2018-12-15 03:03:08	~ben	should work from pretty much anywhere
2018-12-15 03:03:20	~ben	in much the same way that you can finger cmccabe@sdf.org from anywhere
2018-12-15 03:03:28	@cmccabe	lemme try. back in a segundo.
2018-12-15 03:05:13	@cmccabe	craziness. reminds me of the 1990's 
2018-12-15 03:05:24	~ben	pretty great isn't it? :D
2018-12-15 03:05:27	~ben	oh btw
2018-12-15 03:05:36	@cmccabe	it is cool.
2018-12-15 03:05:38	~ben	you should change the css link on your public_html/index
2018-12-15 03:06:00	@cmccabe	i wonder if people would wanted it limited to tildeverse federated systems though
2018-12-15 03:06:05	~ben	breaks on subdomains, so use the full url (prepending https://tilde.team)
2018-12-15 03:06:24	~ben	that would involve some firewall fuckery
2018-12-15 03:06:38	~ben	not worth it imo
2018-12-15 03:06:46	~ben	but doable
2018-12-15 03:07:46	@cmccabe	there is some discussion of whitelisted emails among some federated pubnix systems. i suspect firewall fuckery skills will be a topic of discussion more and more.
2018-12-15 03:08:07	~ben	that would be super cool
2018-12-15 03:08:14	~ben	get ~town to be a little bit more open
2018-12-15 03:08:26	ahriman	finger on team now eh?
2018-12-15 03:08:32	~ben	yessir!
2018-12-15 03:10:44	ahriman	will there be some sort of standard for services provided on tildes, like finger? because I'm down to follow a standard if uniform services provided by each tilde will help our cause
2018-12-15 03:10:57	fosslinux	^
2018-12-15 03:11:01	@cmccabe	ahriman: are you running a tilde too?
2018-12-15 03:11:09	fosslinux	tilde.institute
2018-12-15 03:11:21	ahriman	Yep!
2018-12-15 03:11:36	ahriman	It's in its infancy
2018-12-15 03:11:39	~ben	ahriman: i'm thinking we can get a draft going on https://rfc.tildeverse.org
2018-12-15 03:11:56	ahriman	Cool, I'll check it out when I get home
2018-12-15 03:12:05	@cmccabe	tilde.institute is yours, ahriman? or yours, fosslinux?
2018-12-15 03:12:10	ahriman	Mine
2018-12-15 03:12:16	~ben	openbsd!
2018-12-15 03:12:28	@cmccabe	slick website!
2018-12-15 03:12:28	~ben	cmccabe: were you around when i stood up https://bsd.tilde.team
2018-12-15 03:12:38	ahriman	Thanks cmccabe
2018-12-15 03:12:41	~ben	oh yeah tilde.institute has a fantastic site :)
2018-12-15 03:12:48	fosslinux	sure does
2018-12-15 03:13:09	@cmccabe	yes, but i haven't logged in.  i thought it was supposed to use the same keys as for ~team, but it doesn't let me in.
2018-12-15 03:13:15	fosslinux	hmm
2018-12-15 03:13:20	~ben	yeah it should have the same keys
2018-12-15 03:13:46	~ben	i copied over everyone's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
2018-12-15 03:13:50	@cmccabe	just ssh to bsd.tilde.team, right?
2018-12-15 03:13:52	~ben	yup
2018-12-15 03:13:55	~ben	shoudl do id
2018-12-15 03:13:56	@cmccabe	hmm
2018-12-15 03:14:05	fosslinux	ben: in the makeuser script does something copy over keys?
2018-12-15 03:14:21	~ben	fosslinux: no but i should add that
2018-12-15 03:14:27	@cmccabe	Permission denied (publickey).
2018-12-15 03:14:39	~ben	um
2018-12-15 03:15:32	~ben	wtf you don't have a homedir
2018-12-15 03:15:34	~ben	one moment
2018-12-15 03:19:20	~ben	ok try now cmccabe 
2018-12-15 03:22:49	@cmccabe	nice. that worked.
2018-12-15 03:24:25	~ben	not sure why your homedir didn't exist
2018-12-15 03:24:32	~ben	but it's up now
2018-12-15 03:24:42	@cmccabe	i only logged in and out quickly. didn't look around. what kind of bsd is it packing?
2018-12-15 03:24:55	~ben	freebsd
2018-12-15 03:25:08	~ben	you should have the same group membership as on ~team proper
2018-12-15 03:25:11	@cmccabe	oh nice. so there's some variety. institute is openbsd, right?
2018-12-15 03:25:17	~ben	yeah that's right
2018-12-15 03:25:49	@cmccabe	i tried running a freebsd desktop around 15 years ago. that experiment didn't last long.
2018-12-15 03:26:14	~ben	i was looking into running a bsd on my laptop a couple months ago but the hardware support was terrible (mostly wifi)
2018-12-15 03:26:46	@cmccabe	who needs wifi. it's only good for internet really.
2018-12-15 03:27:21	~ben	i don't even have the ethernet adapter for my laptop lol
2018-12-15 03:27:55	~ben	debian works fine but i need the non-free firmware blob
2018-12-15 03:27:59	~ben	oh well
2018-12-15 03:47:12	ahriman	i had to get a nonfree firmware blob for my laptop when i slapped debian on it
2018-12-15 03:47:26	fosslinux	ew
2018-12-15 03:52:52	~ben	yup :(
2018-12-15 03:53:02	~ben	ahriman: how do i check what firewall is running on freebsd
2018-12-15 03:53:21	~ben	i'm seeing an incoming mail from ~team getting connection refused to bsd.tilde.team
2018-12-15 03:56:48	ahriman	you'll have to check /etc/rc.conf, depending on what you have: ipfilter_enable firewall_enable or pf_enable
2018-12-15 03:57:05	--	Nicks #team: [~ben &ChanServ @cmccabe @khuxkm @khuxkm|lounge absorto aewens aewens|otg ahriman amcclure anarchmellow_ angel annieschu arne atte1nmos|mobile BabiliBot baco bastiaan1 becca benharri biglysmalls billinja billy5 calypso cdmnky cirno Clefable corex deepend desvox desvox_ dokuja dozens3 dpc drsenius edwardthefma elf erxeto fosslinux freeappsw giacomo gilda giteabot GoldenBear hexhaxtron1 IRC-bridge jackomix jackomix3 jan6 jan6| jeschust jk008 kadin kiito kilic kuriz lempamo lewiscowper limni login1 M-ben M-l4p1n mastergeek midlow minerbot2 mraitisoja murii|lounge Naglfar nun pacninja pacninja1 phoenix prisonpotato project3 rain1 refragable robdrake roesch sebboh-yt sedbot SinaCutie skynebula slipxy slipyx snurryboy somsubhra1 somsubhra1_ tab5 thekopz threkk tildebeast tomasino tosun trifex tude tunas ubergeek ubergeek|lounge xdrixxyz y0x3y zaphod zyeri zyeri|lounge]
2018-12-15 03:57:05	--	Channel #team: 103 nicks (5 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 98 normals)
2018-12-15 03:57:18	ahriman	if you don't see in there
2018-12-15 03:57:32	ahriman	check /etc/defaults/rc.conf to see which was loaded by the installer
2018-12-15 03:57:34	~ben	i'm not seeing any of those
2018-12-15 03:58:20	~ben	those are all NO
2018-12-15 03:58:30	~ben	maybe sendmail is only listening to localhost?
2018-12-15 03:58:36	ahriman	that's the most likely
2018-12-15 03:58:53	~ben	i'm very unfamiliar with non-postfix mtas
2018-12-15 03:58:54	ahriman	with freebsd one of the three must be explicitly enabled somewhere
2018-12-15 03:58:55	~ben	lol
2018-12-15 03:59:41	ahriman	yeah mail is not my strong suit, unfortunately. i'd check netstat -ant to see where it's listening
2018-12-15 04:00:09	~ben	illegal option -t
2018-12-15 04:00:11	~ben	lol
2018-12-15 04:00:54	ahriman	dammit, im mixing up linux and freebsd switches
2018-12-15 04:01:23	~ben	i use -tulpn on linux netstat
2018-12-15 04:01:33	ahriman	netstat -a -4, try that
2018-12-15 04:01:40	~ben	~team log says it delivered
2018-12-15 04:02:02	~ben	omfg
2018-12-15 04:02:11	~ben	it worked
2018-12-15 04:02:14	ahriman	?
2018-12-15 04:02:21	~ben	i have ben@tilde.team in ~/.forward on bsd
2018-12-15 04:02:31	~ben	got that test mail right back
2018-12-15 04:02:38	ahriman	lol oh shit
2018-12-15 04:02:42	~ben	but it didn't work before
2018-12-15 04:02:46	ahriman	weird
2018-12-15 04:02:49	~ben	so somehow sendmail is listening properly?
2018-12-15 04:05:39	-->	bee (bee@tilde.team) has joined #team
2018-12-15 04:06:19	fosslinux	welcome bee!
2018-12-15 04:06:29	~ben	welcome to tilde.team bee!
2018-12-15 04:06:36	ahriman	hello bee!
2018-12-15 04:10:15	@khuxkm|lounge	hi bee
2018-12-15 04:33:21	ahriman	ben: what fingerd did you use? cfingerd?
2018-12-15 04:33:28	~ben	just fingerd
2018-12-15 04:34:44	ahriman	word
2018-12-15 04:35:41	fosslinux	?
2018-12-15 04:36:22	~ben	finger fosslinux
2018-12-15 04:36:43	fosslinux	what does ahriman mean by "word"
2018-12-15 04:37:12	~ben	??
2018-12-15 04:37:24	~ben	have you never heard that?
2018-12-15 04:37:28	fosslinux	nope
2018-12-15 04:37:36	~ben	it's like saying "cool"
2018-12-15 04:37:38	~ben	or "nice"
2018-12-15 04:37:39	fosslinux	oh
2018-12-15 04:37:45	fosslinux	aus says
2018-12-15 04:37:46	fosslinux	lit
2018-12-15 04:38:04	fosslinux	or
2018-12-15 04:38:14	~ben	yeah we say that too
2018-12-15 04:38:18	~ben	shit's lit fam
2018-12-15 04:38:41	ahriman	word can be a term of agreement, like "okay"
2018-12-15 04:38:43	ahriman	also
2018-12-15 04:39:03	~ben	:ok_hand:
2018-12-15 04:39:09	ahriman	which is how i usually use it
2018-12-15 04:39:18	~ben	ye you do say that pretty often
2018-12-15 04:39:27	ahriman	word
2018-12-15 04:39:36	ahriman	lol
2018-12-15 04:40:18	~ben	bird
2018-12-15 04:40:20	~ben	is the word
2018-12-15 04:44:05	ahriman	oh god
2018-12-15 04:44:14	ahriman	now that's going to be stuck in my head
2018-12-15 04:45:02	slipyx	papa oo ma mow mow
2018-12-15 04:46:06	~ben	lol
2018-12-15 04:52:14	~ben	oh wow bsd.tilde.team gets 9/10 on mail-tester: https://www.mail-tester.com/test-yprhl
2018-12-15 04:52:28	~ben	just a couple dns records and bang
2018-12-15 04:53:24	ahriman	hell yes!
2018-12-15 04:53:39	~ben	dkim isn't worth the 1 point
2018-12-15 05:07:55	ahriman	im doing mail-tester for my stuff, didn't know about it before
2018-12-15 05:08:08	ahriman	tis saying my ip fails spf validation but my ip is in my spf record, weird.
2018-12-15 05:12:52	~ben	hmmmst
2018-12-15 05:13:01	~ben	does it give full details
2018-12-15 05:14:58	ahriman	yeah it's saying i don't have an spf record. on cloudflare it's under an "spf" category, however I've traditionally always implemented spf in a TXT record so I just duplicated it
2018-12-15 05:15:29	ahriman	now it says i cant test more than three times a day, so i'll put it off until tomorrow. 8/10 before the spf fix is good enough i suppose
2018-12-15 05:17:04	~ben	oh i always just put it as txt under the root 
2018-12-15 05:17:22	~ben	i didn't know there was an spf record type lol
2018-12-15 05:17:26	ahriman	yeah i switched it to TXT. i didn't notice it was set as a specific "spf" category before
2018-12-15 05:17:47	ahriman	when i was working at the web host i must have done 1,000s of people's dns records for mail and it was always txt
2018-12-15 05:18:01	~ben	uuf lots of mail records
2018-12-15 05:18:19	~ben	do the bsds use opendkim
2018-12-15 05:18:26	~ben	or is there a different dkim milter
2018-12-15 05:18:28	ahriman	i've never used it tbh
2018-12-15 05:18:38	ahriman	i'll check if it's available
2018-12-15 05:18:45	~ben	that's what i use on team
2018-12-15 05:19:02	ahriman	opendkim is available on openbsd
2018-12-15 05:19:14	~ben	ok cool
2018-12-15 05:19:21	~ben	it's pretty straightforward
2018-12-15 05:19:34	ahriman	ill have to implement it
2018-12-15 05:34:15	giteabot	[team/site]  pushed 33 commits to master. (add mailing list news, fix links, lists link correction, spelling corrections and mentions to upload files to ttm.sh, Changes according to ~ben's comments, mailing lists wiki page, Change "other tildes" link to tildeverse members, Merge branch 'style-select-dropdowns' of team/site into master, add skeleton.html, check against previous sha1s, make sure index.php exists before sha1'ing it,
2018-12-15 05:34:15	giteabot	update other-tildes page, update domains, add fuckup.club, add links on /css/ to swap between hacker and dracula theme previews, skip default pages, remove reference to defunct admin app, add tos, Adding tildezone logos, Merge branch 'cosmic-voyage' of tomasino/site into master, added cosmic-voyage to other-tildes list, Update package-lock.json, Add styling to dropdowns, Sort user list, Skip over user asm (broken thunix mirror :P), public tos, link from coc,
2018-12-15 05:34:15	giteabot	update other-tildes list, Merge branch 'merge-css' of team/site into master, fix up makefile, remove npm scripts from package.json, merge css in, add makefile, new build artifacts, add plex fonts, Merge branch 'master' of fosslinux/site into master; https://tildegit.org/team/site/compare/a5ca693ba3084a23e515c5bd5440b47e7b1c2b64...3cd8b35e308aa1af79586db9f187ee76dbd510f0)
2018-12-15 05:34:31	fosslinux	oh 
2018-12-15 05:34:34	fosslinux	wat just happened
2018-12-15 05:35:09	@khuxkm|lounge	ben: didya rebase it? or didya forget? or what
2018-12-15 05:35:12	~ben	rebase
2018-12-15 05:35:22	@khuxkm|lounge	well why is it doing that
2018-12-15 05:35:25	~ben	idk
2018-12-15 05:35:32	~ben	should have only been one commit
2018-12-15 05:35:33	@khuxkm|lounge	if it's doing that then that's what the webhook sent
2018-12-15 05:35:38	@khuxkm|lounge	gitea is weird
2018-12-15 05:35:40	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-15 05:37:17	~ben	just a bit
2018-12-15 05:52:19	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed c510a56 to master. (show one more news article; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/c510a56)
2018-12-15 05:58:02	giteabot	[team/site] Robert Miles pushed c922bbb to master. (Fix line breaks in the mailing list news post; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/c922bbb)
2018-12-15 10:10:16	robdrake	I'll have to think about how to implement a voting application
2018-12-15 12:15:10	@cmccabe	robdrake: do you already have ideas about the language or tools you'll use to build it?
2018-12-15 13:06:05	robdrake	language, javascript, I know node best
2018-12-15 13:06:20	robdrake	cmccabe: ^
2018-12-15 13:07:34	robdrake	have it ran locally on tilde.team, count a user's vote by their account name
2018-12-15 13:07:59	robdrake	to try and cut down on cheating
2018-12-15 13:08:12	@cmccabe	all CLI based? or web UI too?
2018-12-15 13:08:24	robdrake	I've been thinking about this program, kind of on back burner
2018-12-15 13:09:15	robdrake	cli
2018-12-15 13:09:25	@cmccabe	then i like it
2018-12-15 13:09:27	@cmccabe	:)
2018-12-15 13:09:58	robdrake	use json to set up the vote questions and options
2018-12-15 13:22:26	@cmccabe	one thing to consider is if it could be written in such a way that it could be called from within other programs, like bbses. for example, it would be neat to have voting options within bbj.
2018-12-15 13:23:49	robdrake	it'll just use stdin and stdout
2018-12-15 13:23:56	robdrake	with a config file
2018-12-15 13:24:32	robdrake	some one can alway fork / do a pull request
2018-12-15 13:41:39	robdrake	which is more | friendly, requiring the return / enter key to be pressed, or just getting the raw key itself?
2018-12-15 13:58:36	jan6	have an option for both?
2018-12-15 14:00:12	jan6	you can always `echo "1"` to input "1\n", and `echo -e "1\n"` to simulate hitting enter twice, etc
2018-12-15 14:01:04	jan6	so whichever option enables that by default, should be default imo
2018-12-15 14:02:17	jan6	echo -e "1\n4\n1\nYes"|poll 2
2018-12-15 14:03:08	jan6	echo -e "1\n4\n1\nYes"|poll 2;poll --results 2 >/tmp/poll-2-res.txt
2018-12-15 14:14:25	robdrake	I may do an option for both, I just looked up Bulletin Butter & Jelly, me doing the program in Python will slow down dev time, but I could be convinced to use python
2018-12-15 14:23:48	@cmccabe	is bbj python?
2018-12-15 14:24:03	robdrake	yep
2018-12-15 14:24:49	@cmccabe	some day, for practice, i plan to re-write a bunch of these tools in bash.
2018-12-15 14:24:51	@cmccabe	some day.
2018-12-15 14:25:14	robdrake	https://github.com/bbj-dev/bbj
2018-12-15 14:25:15	cirno	[GitHub - bbj-dev/bbj: Bulletin Butter & Jelly: An HTTP bulletin board server for small communities]
2018-12-15 16:23:28	@khuxkm|lounge	08:22 <@cmccabe> one thing to consider is if it could be written in such a way that it could be called from within other programs, like bbses. for example, it would be neat to have voting options within bbj. <---- YES PLEASE
2018-12-15 16:23:32	@khuxkm|lounge	#bbj
2018-12-15 17:46:19	jan6	09:24:49       @cmccabe | some day, for practice, i plan to re-write a bunch of these tools in bash.
2018-12-15 17:46:25	jan6	hit me up then ;P
2018-12-15 19:50:32	~ben	/join #bbj
2018-12-15 21:39:03	-->	cmccabe_bsd (cmccabe@bsd.tilde.team) has joined #team
2018-12-15 21:54:38	@cmccabe	ben: created a #bsd channel for you, sir
2018-12-15 21:54:49	jan6	why?
2018-12-15 21:55:07	jan6	i haven't noticed that much bsd talk here to warrant a channel?
2018-12-15 21:55:45	@cmccabe	for bsd.tilde.team
2018-12-15 22:09:10	~ben	lol ok
2018-12-15 22:09:18	~ben	i mean i usually just holler about bsd.tilde.team stuff in here
2018-12-16 00:40:08	<--	SinaCutie (sinacutie@static.114.197.216.95.clients.your-server.de) has quit (Connection closed)
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2018-12-16 01:48:20	fosslinux	ben: i tested the tilde sign up script and it seems to have worked. can you check if you got a sign up request?
2018-12-16 01:58:32	~ben	yes i got a request
2018-12-16 01:58:34	~ben	fosslinux: ^
2018-12-16 01:58:42	~ben	please@ignore.me
2018-12-16 01:58:44	~ben	lol
2018-12-16 01:58:51	fosslinux	thanks :)
2018-12-16 01:58:54	fosslinux	goood
2018-12-16 01:59:31	fosslinux	just configured it to process errors in a more human readable form
2018-12-16 01:59:36	fosslinux	ok trying again ben
2018-12-16 01:59:51	~ben	um ok
2018-12-16 02:00:23	fosslinux	oh
2018-12-16 02:00:27	fosslinux	hmmm not working
2018-12-16 02:01:21	~ben	didn't get anything yet
2018-12-16 02:02:23	fosslinux	yeah ik
2018-12-16 02:03:38	~ben	oh ok
2018-12-16 02:03:56	fosslinux	having internal errors
2018-12-16 02:08:10	tomasino	uh-oh... take some TUMS?
2018-12-16 02:08:23	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-16 02:08:27	fosslinux	hey tomasino
2018-12-16 02:09:26	~ben	tumsasino
2018-12-16 02:10:38	tomasino	oh, i like that one
2018-12-16 02:12:00	~ben	tumasino
2018-12-16 02:17:31	tomasino	it's not a tuma!!!
2018-12-16 02:18:13	~ben	heh
2018-12-16 02:18:17	~ben	tumtum
2018-12-16 02:39:13	~ben	.uptime
2018-12-16 02:39:14	zaphod	 21:39:13 up 159 days, 26 min, 226 users,  load average: 1.07, 1.13, 1.16
2018-12-16 02:39:21	~ben	159 days!
2018-12-16 03:05:18	@khuxkm|lounge	.ascii it's not a tuma
2018-12-16 03:05:19	zaphod	it's not a tuma
2018-12-16 03:05:34	~ben	.ascii no u
2018-12-16 03:05:34	zaphod	no u
2018-12-16 03:05:51	fosslinux	what is .ascii actually
2018-12-16 03:05:58	fosslinux	it dosen't do anything
2018-12-16 03:06:03	~ben	i was gonna do figlet
2018-12-16 03:06:11	~ben	but i stopped that cause brendan
2018-12-16 03:06:23	fosslinux	figlet?
2018-12-16 03:06:32	~ben	lolwut
2018-12-16 03:06:37	~ben	look it up
2018-12-16 03:06:41	~ben	man figlet
2018-12-16 03:06:50	fosslinux	owo right
2018-12-16 03:06:53	fosslinux	i know now
2018-12-16 03:06:59	fosslinux	remember
2018-12-16 03:07:01	@khuxkm|lounge	ben: just block brendan from using it
2018-12-16 03:07:04	~ben	oh
2018-12-16 03:07:07	~ben	i guess
2018-12-16 03:07:09	@khuxkm|lounge	that's what I did wrt !toot
2018-12-16 03:07:13	~ben	oh right
2018-12-16 03:07:38	fosslinux	if (user == "brendantcc" || user == "brendantcc_lounge") {
2018-12-16 03:07:57	~ben	yups
2018-12-16 03:08:07	fosslinux	whats zaphod writtenn in
2018-12-16 03:08:52	fosslinux	hexhaxtron1 hasn't been on ~team for nearly 60 days
2018-12-16 03:08:52	~ben	elixir
2018-12-16 03:08:59	fosslinux	oh i dont know elixir
2018-12-16 03:09:02	~ben	.source
2018-12-16 03:09:03	zaphod	you can find my source code here: https://tildegit.org/ben/zaphod
2018-12-16 03:09:03	slipyx	who
2018-12-16 03:09:04	~ben	have a look
2018-12-16 03:09:14	~ben	hexhaxtron1: is the former owner of thuxni
2018-12-16 03:09:17	fosslinux	hexhaxtron the ex-admin of thunix
2018-12-16 03:09:23	slipyx	that what
2018-12-16 03:09:30	fosslinux	slipyx: ?
2018-12-16 03:09:51	fosslinux	thunix is a ~
2018-12-16 03:10:01	slipyx	afaik thunix never had an owner
2018-12-16 03:10:28	fosslinux	no hexhaxtron1 ran it
2018-12-16 03:10:53	 *	slipyx snickers
2018-12-16 03:10:53	~ben	well now you know
2018-12-16 03:11:29	fosslinux	why are you snickering slipyx 
2018-12-16 03:12:08	@khuxkm|lounge	ben: I can do better than that?
2018-12-16 03:12:17	@khuxkm|lounge	!gitea link khuxkm minerbot2
2018-12-16 03:12:17	minerbot2	khuxkm|lounge: khuxkm/minerbot2 - minerbot reborn; https://tildegit.org/khuxkm/minerbot2
2018-12-16 03:12:30	@khuxkm|lounge	it's a crowded mess (and needs a rewrite a la minerbot-phoenix now)
2018-12-16 03:12:39	~ben	.source is shorter than !gitea link ben zaphod
2018-12-16 03:12:40	@khuxkm|lounge	but basically, I check hostmask
2018-12-16 03:13:44	~ben	right good call
2018-12-16 03:14:17	@khuxkm|lounge	so brendantcc@tilde.team
2018-12-16 03:14:20	fosslinux	khuxkm|lounge: oh wow it isn't great....
2018-12-16 03:14:32	fosslinux	a bit messy :D
2018-12-16 03:14:34	@khuxkm|lounge	if he tries to get a vhost we ban the vhost and unban the brendantcc@tilde.team :P
2018-12-16 03:14:47	@khuxkm|lounge	fosslinux: what do you think of the minerbot-phoenix codebase in comparison?
2018-12-16 03:14:53	@khuxkm|lounge	!gitea link khuxkm minerbot2
2018-12-16 03:14:54	minerbot2	khuxkm|lounge: khuxkm/minerbot2 - minerbot reborn; https://tildegit.org/khuxkm/minerbot2
2018-12-16 03:15:08	~ben	that's the same repo you linked earlier
2018-12-16 03:15:17	@khuxkm|lounge	oh shit sorry
2018-12-16 03:15:22	@khuxkm|lounge	!gitea link khuxkm minerbot-phoenix
2018-12-16 03:15:22	minerbot2	khuxkm|lounge: khuxkm/minerbot-phoenix - The new generation of minerbot v1: minerbot Phoenix.; https://tildegit.org/khuxkm/minerbot-phoenix
2018-12-16 03:15:51	fosslinux	hecklot cleaner
2018-12-16 03:15:59	fosslinux	tahts for sure
2018-12-16 03:16:05	~ben	looks like you have a similar plugin thing that i made for zaphod 
2018-12-16 03:16:05	zaphod	hey ben!
2018-12-16 03:16:10	~ben	hey zaphod !
2018-12-16 03:16:10	zaphod	hey ben!
2018-12-16 03:16:23	@khuxkm|lounge	i mean, there's only so many ways to build a plugin system
2018-12-16 03:16:23	fosslinux	hey zaphod 
2018-12-16 03:16:24	zaphod	hey fosslinux!
2018-12-16 03:16:30	fosslinux	zaphod: 
2018-12-16 03:16:37	fosslinux	zaphod: how are you
2018-12-16 03:16:37	~ben	https://tildegit.org/ben/zaphod/src/branch/master/lib/commands.ex
2018-12-16 03:16:41	fosslinux	wowow
2018-12-16 03:16:54	@khuxkm|lounge	mine is actually based off of arch's pinhook (main repo)
2018-12-16 03:17:08	~ben	oh right
2018-12-16 03:17:10	fosslinux	interesting langauge syntax
2018-12-16 03:17:13	~ben	any reason you didn't just use it?
2018-12-16 03:17:24	~ben	pinhook, that is
2018-12-16 03:17:36	@khuxkm|lounge	because forget that noise I want to make my own codebase
2018-12-16 03:17:37	@khuxkm|lounge	:P
2018-12-16 03:17:49	@khuxkm|lounge	plus my codebase can be modified to my needs
2018-12-16 03:18:04	~ben	could've just forked it but ok ;)
2018-12-16 03:18:14	@khuxkm|lounge	too damn lazy ;P
2018-12-16 03:18:22	~ben	lol how is code reuse lazy
2018-12-16 03:21:11	tomasino	you have to push a button
2018-12-16 03:21:14	tomasino	buttons are HARD, ben
2018-12-16 03:23:57	~ben	some are soft though :P
2018-12-16 03:24:33	tomasino	oh, i hadn't considered soft buttons! touche`
2018-12-16 03:24:41	@cmccabe	and some are toggle switches, not buttons
2018-12-16 03:24:59	~ben	lol that too
2018-12-16 03:25:43	tomasino	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imESZftVbW4
2018-12-16 03:25:44	cirno	[ASMR. 전자기기 버튼 누르기 Button Pressing (No Talking) - YouTube]
2018-12-16 03:33:16	@cmccabe	good night all. see you all tomorrow. zzzzz.
2018-12-16 03:33:22	tomasino	night cmccabe 
2018-12-16 03:36:54	~ben	night!
2018-12-16 04:11:47	ahriman	hola
2018-12-16 04:24:02	~ben	hallo!
2018-12-16 04:24:18	~ben	how goes it
2018-12-16 04:24:26	~ben	just got home from the work lan party
2018-12-16 04:26:30	ahriman	oh nice! fun?
2018-12-16 04:26:47	~ben	heh yeah it was!
2018-12-16 04:26:53	ahriman	hell yeah
2018-12-16 04:26:56	~ben	mostly overwatch and pubg
2018-12-16 04:27:08	~ben	i think next time we should do more couch co-op games like duckgame, nidhogg, etc
2018-12-16 04:27:36	~ben	https://bhh.sh/u/20181215-232731.png
2018-12-16 04:27:43	~ben	i have these to start :D
2018-12-16 04:28:08	ahriman	genital jousting?
2018-12-16 04:28:24	bee	nothing is better than beating some one at a video game when they're right next to you
2018-12-16 04:28:33	ahriman	haha hell yes
2018-12-16 04:28:36	~ben	lol yes genital jousting
2018-12-16 04:28:53	~ben	we used to take of the cs dept lab during undergrad and play coop games all night
2018-12-16 04:29:20	~ben	https://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/469820/
2018-12-16 04:29:21	cirno	[Genital Jousting on Steam]
2018-12-16 04:29:39	~ben	it's a real thing somehow
2018-12-16 04:29:47	ahriman	lollll
2018-12-16 04:29:58	ahriman	ever played TIS-100?
2018-12-16 04:30:01	bee	I used to download Halo CE on the computers at school and have LAN parties.
2018-12-16 04:30:07	~ben	oh frick yeah
2018-12-16 04:30:16	~ben	i'm not familiar with TIS-100
2018-12-16 04:30:33	ahriman	it's a sort of programming game
2018-12-16 04:30:54	~ben	oh cool
2018-12-16 04:31:00	ahriman	on steam, p cheap
2018-12-16 04:31:06	~ben	i think the one people were into was human resource machine
2018-12-16 04:31:27	ahriman	never heard of that one
2018-12-16 04:31:59	~ben	it's like the next level of nandgame
2018-12-16 04:34:03	~ben	http://nandgame.com
2018-12-16 04:34:03	cirno	[NandGame - Build a computer from scratch.]
2018-12-16 04:34:14	~ben	it's more asm than logic gates though
2018-12-16 04:35:05	ahriman	oh shit this looks cool
2018-12-16 04:41:05	ahriman	tis-100 is $7 on steam right now
2018-12-16 04:45:56	~ben	oh nice i'll ahve to look it up
2018-12-16 05:55:26	dokuja	ben: Towerfall
2018-12-16 05:55:39	dokuja	Or Crawl
2018-12-16 05:55:44	@khuxkm|lounge	towerfall?
2018-12-16 05:55:53	@khuxkm|lounge	didn't the guy who developed that make Celeste?
2018-12-16 05:56:02	~ben	towerfall is pretty sweet
2018-12-16 05:56:04	~ben	it might be
2018-12-16 05:56:09	~ben	towercrawl
2018-12-16 05:56:15	~ben	that's a pretty good name tbh
2018-12-16 05:56:53	@khuxkm|lounge	"Noel Berry (Skytorn) and Matt Thorson (TowerFall) created a prototype of Celeste in four days during a game jam, now named Celeste Classic."
2018-12-16 05:56:54	@khuxkm|lounge	yep
2018-12-16 05:58:59	~ben	nice
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2018-12-16 10:18:53	tildebeast	hi all. did i join the mailing list? lot of traffic! is there a way of switching to digest mode? :)
2018-12-16 11:09:47	erxeto	tildebeast: go to https://lists.tildeverse.org/ and sign up with your ~team email. Then you'll be able to modify your subscription preferences.
2018-12-16 11:09:50	cirno	[
2018-12-16 11:16:48	tildebeast	right erxeto, thanks
2018-12-16 12:11:37	@cmccabe	morning all
2018-12-16 12:11:53	robdrake	morning
2018-12-16 12:15:31	robdrake	!w
2018-12-16 12:48:30	jan6	I definitely would prefer a "digest mode" over constant bombardment of mail
2018-12-16 12:48:56	jan6	something like "once a day" and "once a week" combo of everything said
2018-12-16 14:29:42	erxeto	not sure 36 emails in 2 days is qualified as a "constant bombardment" (at least for a mailing list, this one is really low volume now), but you can activate digest mode easily. Maybe we should put some wiki help pages for it ...
2018-12-16 14:32:20	jan6	put 'em pages
2018-12-16 14:34:21	@khuxkm|lounge	jan6: 06:09 <erxeto> -snip- go to https://lists.tildeverse.org/ and sign up with your ~team email. Then you'll be able to modify your subscription preferences.
2018-12-16 14:34:23	cirno	[
2018-12-16 14:36:42	jan6	also what's difference between plaintext and summary digests?
2018-12-16 14:39:22	erxeto	no idea, never used digests for any of the mailing lists I'm subcribed to.
2018-12-16 15:10:02	tomasino	sign up, then edit?
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2018-12-16 16:57:24	hyperboredoubt	Hi, everyone.
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2018-12-16 17:38:10	~ben	i haven't used digest mode either but you can set it on the web ui
2018-12-16 17:55:09	M-l4p1n	<irc_jan6 "also what's difference between p"> summary digests sends you a mail now and then in case sending a mail trips the breaker and does a whole of shenanigans in your house :3 
2018-12-16 17:55:22	M-l4p1n	a whole lot*
2018-12-16 17:55:41	~ben	oh wow shenanigans in your house
2018-12-16 17:56:05	M-l4p1n	in the meaning that ya know, it does a lot of stuff x')
2018-12-16 17:56:44	~ben	lol fair
2018-12-16 17:56:58	~ben	it's definitely not going to be a high volume list but i see the point
2018-12-16 18:45:47	jan6	I still have no idea how the different digest modes differ
2018-12-16 18:46:02	M-l4p1n	it sends you different messages in a big one
2018-12-16 18:49:01	jan6	yeah, but what's the difference between plaintext and summary?
2018-12-16 18:49:31	~ben	hm?
2018-12-16 18:50:34	jan6	"If you select summary digests , you'll get posts bundled together (usually one per day but possibly more on busy lists), instead of singly when they're sent. Your mail reader may or may not support MIME digests. In general MIME digests are preferred, but if you have a problem reading them, select plain text digests."
2018-12-16 18:50:50	~ben	oh there ya go
2018-12-16 18:51:00	jan6	it says nothing
2018-12-16 18:51:13	jan6	there are three digest options and it doesn
2018-12-16 18:51:19	jan6	't say how they're different
2018-12-16 18:51:58	jan6	"select summary for bundle, if your client doesn't support mime choose plaintext" HOW DOES IT DESCRIBE THE DIFFERENCES
2018-12-16 18:52:43	jan6	it acts as if you had to choose mime/plaintext, but never states any difference from the "summary" mode
2018-12-16 18:59:06	~ben	i'm trying to find documentation on it
2018-12-16 19:02:10	~ben	" A MIME digest has each message as an attachment inside the message, along with a summary table of contents. "
2018-12-16 19:02:19	~ben	http://list.org/mailman-member/node28.html
2018-12-16 19:02:20	cirno	[8.2 What are MIME and Plain Text Digests? How do I change which one
2018-12-16 19:22:58	robdrake	ben, are you still busy?
2018-12-16 19:23:05	~ben	huh?
2018-12-16 19:23:21	robdrake	with the MIME vs Plain Text mailing list problem
2018-12-16 19:23:38	~ben	no why
2018-12-16 19:24:02	robdrake	you are the 'customer' for the vote program, I need your opinion on the format of questions.json
2018-12-16 19:24:14	robdrake	https://tildegit.org/rgdrake/vote_program/src/branch/node/src
2018-12-16 19:30:09	robdrake	...
2018-12-16 19:31:17	~ben	what about it?
2018-12-16 19:31:52	robdrake	I know it's just 2 sample questions, but do you like the format? Do you want the format changed?
2018-12-16 19:33:57	~ben	so it's only going to multiple choice options?
2018-12-16 19:34:15	robdrake	what other options would you like?
2018-12-16 19:34:28	tomasino	multiple choice options are easiest for polls
2018-12-16 19:34:40	jan6	or number questions
2018-12-16 19:36:01	~ben	yeah multiple choice is fine
2018-12-16 19:36:10	~ben	not sure that the question number needs to be a string
2018-12-16 19:36:20	~ben	but as long as the field names are consistent it should be fine
2018-12-16 19:37:19	robdrake	ok
2018-12-16 19:37:46	robdrake	the question number being a unique string is an artifact from my python attempt
2018-12-16 19:38:09	~ben	heh ok
2018-12-16 19:38:19	~ben	it's fine but i guess i'd expect it to be an int literal
2018-12-16 19:38:33	robdrake	I have some thinking / resting to do. I need to cope with pain w/o drugs, and everything in json is strings
2018-12-16 19:39:53	~ben	heh that's kinda gross
2018-12-16 19:39:58	~ben	re: strings only
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2018-12-16 19:43:18	tomasino	json can do ints
2018-12-16 19:43:34	tomasino	and bools
2018-12-16 19:43:39	tomasino	just don't quote it
2018-12-16 19:44:01	@cmccabe	i'm working on a new feature for the tilde.team website. 
2018-12-16 19:44:16	@cmccabe	it's a pop-up that says "looks like your ad blocker is off. click here to learn how to turn it back on."
2018-12-16 19:44:18	tomasino	oooooh, fEAtures
2018-12-16 19:44:26	tomasino	oh nice, haha
2018-12-16 19:44:45	tomasino	gonna make a request to a google ad server and if success, pop it up?
2018-12-16 19:45:05	@cmccabe	i haven't figured that part out yet, but yes something like that. :)
2018-12-16 19:45:11	tomasino	noice
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2018-12-16 20:31:56	~ben	lol nice :D
2018-12-16 20:32:00	~ben	i'm down for that
2018-12-16 20:32:08	~ben	nothing intrusive though, pls
2018-12-16 20:42:16	@cmccabe	"since your ad blocker is not off, we've taken the liberty to mine crypto currency with your spare cpu cycles.  you don't mind supporting tilde.team this way, do you?"
2018-12-16 20:42:39	~ben	lmao
2018-12-16 21:04:08	jan6	lol, sure
2018-12-16 23:28:24	~ben	.uptime
2018-12-16 23:28:24	zaphod	 18:28:24 up 159 days, 21:15, 224 users,  load average: 3.08, 2.47, 1.63
2018-12-16 23:29:09	~ben	anarchmellow_: any ideas why your tmux/byobu is using so much cpu?
2018-12-17 00:58:09	robdrake	.uptime
2018-12-17 00:58:09	zaphod	 19:58:09 up 159 days, 22:45, 221 users,  load average: 0.41, 0.81, 1.05
2018-12-17 00:58:43	SinaCutie	Hallo team.
2018-12-17 00:58:49	robdrake	Hello
2018-12-17 01:17:32	ubergeek	dang, looks like mine did the other day (byobu load)
2018-12-17 01:17:50	ubergeek	I'm betting it's from leaving weechat running that long in byobu
2018-12-17 05:47:04	~ben	hallo
2018-12-17 05:47:21	~ben	friendsmas was nic
2018-12-17 05:47:24	~ben	s/$/e
2018-12-17 05:47:25	sedbot	<ben> friendsmas was nice
2018-12-17 06:01:38	robdrake	night all
2018-12-17 06:04:49	fosslinux	nite
2018-12-17 06:05:15	~ben	night
2018-12-17 06:18:09	~ben	rather
2018-12-17 12:03:43	robdrake	Hello, back
2018-12-17 12:14:40	@cmccabe	wait. it's monday? what happened to the weekend? where did it go?
2018-12-17 12:15:29	arne	it went to the ocean of unexistance
2018-12-17 12:15:58	robdrake	I spent my weekend, not gaming, but here
2018-12-17 12:16:05	robdrake	just wasn't in the mood to game
2018-12-17 12:17:02	cmccabe_bsd	here is better than gaming
2018-12-17 12:17:05	robdrake	found this link: https://medium.freecodecamp.org/writing-command-line-applications-in-nodejs-2cf8327eee2 should help with my vote program
2018-12-17 12:17:17	cmccabe_bsd	and, good morning arne and robdrake 
2018-12-17 12:17:25	robdrake	good morning
2018-12-17 12:17:26	arne	good morn
2018-12-17 12:17:55	@cmccabe	oh cool. i'm excited to see the voting program.
2018-12-17 12:18:25	robdrake	Monday's breakfast at the nursing home is biscuits & gravy, my blood sugar was too high, don't know why, to eat such a carb  loaded food
2018-12-17 12:18:46	robdrake	Probably will skip breakfast
2018-12-17 12:19:44	arne	my breakfast was a sausage and a glass of water LOL
2018-12-17 12:20:49	robdrake	I could say my breakfast is/was coffee and nicotene
2018-12-17 12:21:23	robdrake	breakfast of champions
2018-12-17 12:22:18	@cmccabe	i'm having tilde team for breakfast
2018-12-17 12:23:38	arne	im having "tilde.team mailing list" for breakfast
2018-12-17 12:25:34	@cmccabe	yum
2018-12-17 12:26:10	arne	and os dev for lunch
2018-12-17 12:26:15	robdrake	time for more breakfast, brb
2018-12-17 12:26:28	arne	and also tilde signup
2018-12-17 12:27:25	@cmccabe	oh you're working on an automated sign-up script? nice!
2018-12-17 12:27:50	arne	oh no, im signing up for more tildes
2018-12-17 12:27:56	arne	but ill do that too :)
2018-12-17 12:30:20	arne	also what is tildelinux?
2018-12-17 12:42:44	robdrake	what I'm curious about, but why sign up for more tildes? do you honestly need more shells?
2018-12-17 12:43:34	arne	because i LOVE TILDES
2018-12-17 12:44:03	robdrake	istead of /. we need a /~
2018-12-17 12:44:46	robdrake	I'm going back to reading that article
2018-12-17 12:46:27	@cmccabe	how many active tildes are there now?
2018-12-17 12:47:36	arne	im in nand.club ~town ~team cosmic.voyage ~institute bsd~team remotes.club ctrl-c.club 
2018-12-17 12:50:33	@cmccabe	are you interested in pubnixes more generally? sdf, grex, etc.
2018-12-17 12:52:13	ubergeek	I feel most pubnixes each have their own individual "flavor"
2018-12-17 12:53:47	@cmccabe	definitely
2018-12-17 12:54:08	@cmccabe	and some are older and need fresh blood, like grex
2018-12-17 12:56:29	arne	i hate sdf :)
2018-12-17 12:58:30	@cmccabe	really? why?
2018-12-17 13:02:40	robdrake	I don't like the donation wall of sdf
2018-12-17 13:06:19	@cmccabe	ah
2018-12-17 13:07:14	robdrake	asking for donations is fine, but sdf's wall is too restrictive, and f'ing annoying
2018-12-17 13:08:41	arne	yah
2018-12-17 13:12:31	jan6	07:22:18       @cmccabe | i'm having tilde team for breakfast
2018-12-17 13:12:50	jan6	good you didn't eat us all...yet
2018-12-17 13:12:54	robdrake	hello jan6
2018-12-17 13:13:23	jan6	07:44:03       robdrake | istead of /. we need a /~
2018-12-17 13:13:25	jan6	?
2018-12-17 13:13:36	jan6	not aware of /. lol
2018-12-17 13:14:08	robdrake	slashdot ?
2018-12-17 13:14:12	jan6	k
2018-12-17 13:14:30	jan6	./ and ~/ are things tho ;P
2018-12-17 13:14:58	robdrake	it was a play on the slashdot name, doing a slashtilde
2018-12-17 13:15:00	jan6	what about slash-dash? /-
2018-12-17 13:15:30	jan6	!whois ~.news
2018-12-17 13:15:31	BabiliBot	~.news might be available
2018-12-17 13:15:31	robdrake	is this a - community, or a ~ community?
2018-12-17 13:15:47	@cmccabe	robdrake: if you sign up for a free sdf membership, i'll be happy to validate you
2018-12-17 13:15:56	robdrake	I'm validated
2018-12-17 13:16:02	jan6	ben, wanna capitalize on ~.news ? ;P
2018-12-17 13:16:20	jan6	I had issues with sdf, lol
2018-12-17 13:16:25	jan6	I signed up ages ago
2018-12-17 13:16:37	jan6	then quite a lot of time after got finally validated
2018-12-17 13:16:40	jan6	buuuuuuuuuut
2018-12-17 13:16:40	robdrake	is ~ allowed in URIs?
2018-12-17 13:16:47	jan6	my home dir didn't exist, lol
2018-12-17 13:16:56	jan6	nah, but there are unicode urls now ;P
2018-12-17 13:17:07	jan6	xn-somestuff.com and stuff
2018-12-17 13:17:54	robdrake	I had to transfer from my wheelchair to my bed, because my right leg was going to sleep, the leg I had a DVT in
2018-12-17 13:18:10	 *	jan6 has no idea what that is
2018-12-17 13:18:30	robdrake	Deep Vein Thrombosis, a blood clot in a vein
2018-12-17 13:18:33	jan6	the unicode urls are called punycode, btw
2018-12-17 13:18:57	robdrake	clot breaks, goes to brain, death probable
2018-12-17 13:19:25	~ben	jan6: ?
2018-12-17 13:19:44	robdrake	morning ben
2018-12-17 13:20:01	~ben	morning
2018-12-17 13:20:04	jan6	!whois xn--j6h.com
2018-12-17 13:20:05	BabiliBot	xn--j6h.com is 'registered'
2018-12-17 13:20:13	jan6	!whois ♨️.com
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2018-12-17 13:20:16	jan6	oof
2018-12-17 13:20:56	jan6	!summon I temporarily broke babili ;P seems like it doesn't deal with unicode in !whois, lol
2018-12-17 13:20:56	BabiliBot	jan6: You have summoned I
2018-12-17 13:21:03	jan6	!summon aewens I temporarily broke babili ;P seems like it doesn't deal with unicode in !whois, lol
2018-12-17 13:21:03	BabiliBot	jan6: You have summoned aewens
2018-12-17 13:23:14	jan6	bben, I mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punycode allows to register any unicode characters in a url, so you could register ~.news as an alt for tilde.news, tilde.town has an alt with <chinese character for "small town">.life for example
2018-12-17 13:23:15	cirno	[Punycode - Wikipedia]
2018-12-17 13:26:46	robdrake	bed is winning in the battle of coding vs more sleep, dang it
2018-12-17 13:33:52	jan6	heh
2018-12-17 13:34:04	jan6	if it's time to sleep, just sleep!
2018-12-17 13:35:40	robdrake	it's not time to sleep
2018-12-17 13:35:45	robdrake	7:35am
2018-12-17 13:37:58	jan6	hm, and when'd you wake up?
2018-12-17 13:39:48	robdrake	don't remember
2018-12-17 13:40:02	robdrake	I am going to nap and think until breakfast gets here
2018-12-17 13:40:20	jan6	also nothing wrong with a morning nap if you don't have an enforced schedule (school/work/stuff like that)
2018-12-17 13:40:36	robdrake	I sleep vs program too much lateley, else I'm on IRC too much
2018-12-17 13:40:41	jan6	heh
2018-12-17 13:40:44	jan6	sleep moar
2018-12-17 13:40:47	robdrake	s/lateley/lately
2018-12-17 13:40:48	sedbot	<robdrake> I sleep vs program too much lately, else I'm on IRC too much
2018-12-17 13:41:30	jan6	I've also began to sleep too little recently, not too little to cause problems but, 1am instead of like 11-12 previously, so a few hours less sleep
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2018-12-17 15:41:49	robdrake	Hello
2018-12-17 15:42:04	~ben	o/
2018-12-17 15:43:37	robdrake	sup?
2018-12-17 15:44:24	~ben	ehh not too much
2018-12-17 15:44:26	~ben	work
2018-12-17 15:44:44	@cmccabe	work...
2018-12-17 15:44:57	robdrake	both of you at work?
2018-12-17 15:47:59	~ben	yep on that 9 to 5 hustle
2018-12-17 15:48:05	@cmccabe	yup. picture ben and cmccabe in cubicles next to each other. except that we're in different states. and not in cubicles.
2018-12-17 15:48:14	~ben	lmao sounds about right :P
2018-12-17 15:48:39	jan6	why not 5 to 11 hustle? ;P
2018-12-17 15:49:08	robdrake	it would be 3 to 11 hustle to get in 8 hours
2018-12-17 15:49:38	jan6	9 at night to 5 at morning hustle? lol
2018-12-17 15:49:57	robdrake	I'll check in, back to work on that vote program, summon jack3 in here to ask him about an irc vote bot
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2018-12-17 16:43:59	robdrake	ben: I got jack3 to come in here to discuss with you a vote bot
2018-12-17 16:44:11	jack3	ben: Hello
2018-12-17 16:44:25	robdrake	or cmccabe, khuxkm|lounge 
2018-12-17 16:44:37	~ben	what about it?
2018-12-17 16:44:39	robdrake	jack3 it's more my idea
2018-12-17 16:44:58	robdrake	instead of command line voting, an irc vote bot
2018-12-17 16:45:08	jack3	describe what it would do
2018-12-17 16:45:41	robdrake	ben?
2018-12-17 16:45:49	~ben	huh?
2018-12-17 16:45:53	robdrake	or is this my ballgame?
2018-12-17 16:45:56	~ben	i thought you were making the bot
2018-12-17 16:46:06	robdrake	cli, yes, not irc
2018-12-17 16:47:03	~ben	i mean it could do whatever you want
2018-12-17 16:47:09	jack3	( I'll be floating around a bit ...  yell my nick when you want me.   :)  )
2018-12-17 16:50:56	~ben	heh okie
2018-12-17 17:17:01	@cmccabe	i like CLI, but if there is an interface allowing it to be used via IRC, that would be a nice addition.
2018-12-17 17:20:07	jan6	it's not hard to make cli work for irc
2018-12-17 17:20:44	jan6	a) using ii b) just modify bashbot, and yes, it's a bot made IN bash, executing stuff from bash
2018-12-17 17:23:23	@cmccabe	bash is tops in my book. although it's tied with a number of others for that top spot.
2018-12-17 17:39:55	jan6	then take a look at bashbot and see if you can make `head`s or `tail`s of it ;P
2018-12-17 17:45:41	@cmccabe	where be the code?
2018-12-17 18:07:05	jan6	goggle
2018-12-17 18:07:20	jan6	https://duckduckgo.com/?q=irc+bashbot
2018-12-17 18:07:20	cirno	[irc+bashbot at DuckDuckGo]
2018-12-17 18:13:50	@cmccabe	i need goggles to see it?
2018-12-17 18:19:40	jan6	apparently yes
2018-12-17 18:19:55	jan6	also a few ducks will do as well
2018-12-17 18:20:02	jan6	https://duckduckgo.com/?q=irc+bashbot
2018-12-17 18:20:03	cirno	[irc+bashbot at DuckDuckGo]
2018-12-17 19:14:23	~ben	ubergeek: your mail to the list bounced since it was sent from an address that's not subscribed
2018-12-17 19:14:27	~ben	just a head's up
2018-12-17 19:14:40	~ben	you might want to sign in and change your list delivery address
2018-12-17 19:15:12	ubergeek	ooh..  I just saw that bounceback.  Thanks for the heads up :)
2018-12-17 19:15:27	ubergeek	and thanks for approving it :)
2018-12-17 19:15:46	~ben	heh np
2018-12-17 19:17:01	~ben	you should be able to adjust your subscription by emailing tildeteam-request@lists.tildeverse.org too
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2018-12-18 07:05:06	giteabot	[team/site] Ben Harris pushed a3b69be to master. (add archive link to mailing list news post; https://tildegit.org/team/site/commit/a3b69be)
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2018-12-18 08:59:59	robdrake	ben you awake?
2018-12-18 09:01:29	robdrake	ben: https://forum.solidproject.org/t/how-to-change-the-sharing-settings-for-a-resource/114/26 the problem I have at the end of the post is with solid.tilde.team, not solid.community
2018-12-18 09:01:30	cirno	[How to change the Sharing settings for a resource? - Manage your Solid Pod - Solid Community Forum]
2018-12-18 09:01:53	robdrake	so I'll be using my account on solid.community for programming, for now
2018-12-18 11:40:23	@cmccabe	robdrake: i'm not super familia with how solid works, but i will be interested to hear your thoughts about it.
2018-12-18 13:13:49	robdrake	Solid -- Socially Linked Data cmccabe check my gopher page, URI in the topic of #solid, you own your data, not some big Internet Company, Facebook for example
2018-12-18 14:09:08	~ben	  solid:get GET -- Error: 404 Can't find file requested: [object Object] +1ms
2018-12-18 14:09:25	robdrake	yeah ben
2018-12-18 14:09:28	robdrake	idk why
2018-12-18 14:09:36	robdrake	no answer on the forums
2018-12-18 14:10:39	~ben	file any bugs?
2018-12-18 14:10:56	~ben	i don't know why either
2018-12-18 14:22:33	robdrake	I've got all of 9 minutes until medical transport will be picking me up for a minor psychiatrist appointment
2018-12-18 14:26:30	erxeto	medical transport as in ambulance ?
2018-12-18 14:32:21	jan6	nah
2018-12-18 14:32:34	jan6	probably just a minivan or such
2018-12-18 16:30:59	robdrake	Oats Bus
2018-12-18 16:31:10	robdrake	and back, from a cancelled appointment
2018-12-18 16:36:46	ubergeek	:(  that sucks
2018-12-18 16:46:01	robdrake	yes, sorry this conversation is in #team and not #meta
2018-12-18 16:57:11	ubergeek	no, I mean it sucks your appt for cancelled
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2018-12-18 18:53:21	@cmccabe	ubergeek: the party is hoppin' on grex this week. have you tried the 'party' program?
2018-12-18 18:55:25	robdrake	grex?
2018-12-18 18:57:00	ubergeek	I tried it, but got an error.
2018-12-18 19:00:02	ubergeek	now it works
2018-12-18 19:00:10	ubergeek	must have been a bubble in the ether
2018-12-18 19:10:13	@cmccabe	robdrake: grex.org. one of the older public access unix systems
2018-12-18 19:10:45	@cmccabe	party is a sort of asychronous chat program, originally written in the early 1980's. and still going strong (sort of).
2018-12-18 19:13:24	~ben	oh i got validated on there the other day!
2018-12-18 19:13:27	~ben	i should log back in
2018-12-18 19:15:35	robdrake	is party on tilde.team? Or just IRC?
2018-12-18 19:15:46	ubergeek	on grex
2018-12-18 19:15:47	~ben	grex.org
2018-12-18 19:16:01	robdrake	yes it's on grex, but is it here?
2018-12-18 19:16:18	~ben	ah no i haven't installed it
2018-12-18 19:17:04	robdrake	oh ok
2018-12-18 19:17:33	~ben	idk if they've published the source for it
2018-12-18 19:17:37	~ben	it's pretty archaic
2018-12-18 19:17:48	~ben	feels somewhat similar to com on sdf
2018-12-18 19:18:48	robdrake	I really don't want to waste the time becoming 'known' on another network, you all kind of know me here
2018-12-18 19:19:03	@cmccabe	party's source code is available on unixpapa.com
2018-12-18 19:19:14	~ben	heh that's fair :P
2018-12-18 19:20:51	~ben	oh cool cmccabe 
2018-12-18 19:26:50	ubergeek	Papa Grexer... Kinda like Papa Legba, in how it sounds :P
2018-12-18 19:27:19	~ben	lol
2018-12-18 19:27:21	~ben	yes it does
2018-12-18 19:27:29	~ben	does the grex box feel laggy to anyone else
2018-12-18 19:27:32	@cmccabe	there is a grex user named papa, but he is different than unix papa who was a previous pillar of the grex community
2018-12-18 19:27:50	@cmccabe	grex is a physical box somewhere in ann arbor and yes, it is laggy some times.
2018-12-18 19:28:15	~ben	i wonder why the ip shows texas then
2018-12-18 19:28:25	~ben	curl ipinfo.io/$(dig +short grex.org)
2018-12-18 19:32:17	ubergeek	unixpapa.com looks wonderful in Lynx :)
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2018-12-19 11:37:15	@cmccabe	morning all
2018-12-19 11:38:07	@cmccabe	ubergeek: that's an interesting observation. i hadn't tried it in lynx yet.
2018-12-19 11:40:23	@cmccabe	unix papa (jan wolter) was a very active member of grex, back when grex was very active.  i imagine he was a command line warrior and probably used lynx a lot himself.
2018-12-19 15:23:10	~ben	he's got some cool stuff on his site!
2018-12-19 15:24:18	mushmouth	ben: do you like mine?
2018-12-19 15:24:28	~ben	your what?
2018-12-19 15:24:34	mushmouth	my site
2018-12-19 15:24:38	mushmouth	also morning ben
2018-12-19 15:24:50	~ben	haven'tseen it in a while
2018-12-19 15:24:56	~ben	i'll check it out in a bit
2018-12-19 15:25:01	mushmouth	it still the same ish i think
2018-12-19 15:25:09	mushmouth	depending on what you mean a while
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2018-12-19 17:58:24	~ben	hey mijk !!
2018-12-19 17:58:28	~ben	welcome to tilde.team!
2018-12-19 18:00:10	mijk	Goodevening ben! :) Thanks for letting me join in the fun. 
2018-12-19 18:00:16	~ben	glad to have you!
2018-12-19 18:00:37	~ben	check out the wiki: https://tilde.team/wiki/ 
2018-12-19 18:00:38	cirno	[tilde.team~wiki]
2018-12-19 18:00:42	~ben	and holler if you need anything :D
2018-12-19 18:01:08	mijk	Wow this is super cool, straight in and all this at my fingertips pre-configured 
2018-12-19 18:01:34	~ben	heh that's the idea
2018-12-19 18:01:49	~ben	if you're familiar with tmux, just use ctrl-a instead of ctrl-b
2018-12-19 18:02:38	mijk	I did use tmux, so should have no greta difficulty i hope 
2018-12-19 18:02:52	~ben	heh ok good deal
2018-12-19 18:03:25	~ben	main communication is here on irc and also our mailing list
2018-12-19 18:03:42	~ben	should be subscribed as part of the signup script we use
2018-12-19 18:04:20	mijk	saying that, i am no Geek#1 really, but i have played around a little.
2018-12-19 18:05:01	~ben	enought to get around ;)
2018-12-19 18:05:09	mijk	cool! it's a good idea, imo having a central place to come and chat 
2018-12-19 18:05:36	~ben	yeah, this irc net is part connected with a couple other tilde servers too
2018-12-19 18:05:41	~ben	https://tildeverse.org/members/
2018-12-19 18:05:43	cirno	[tildeverse]
2018-12-19 18:06:54	mijk	I know another system where each room of the bbs is,or can be, a xmpp channel, and although they have a 'lobby' there is no central place for real time chat that everybody uses outside of the traditional bbs (its a modren bbs though, but with traditional values :) )
2018-12-19 18:07:26	~ben	oh that's cool too!
2018-12-19 18:07:41	~ben	try bbj at the shell :P
2018-12-19 18:07:48	mijk	yeah xmpp is alive and well still
2018-12-19 18:08:28	~ben	so is irc!
2018-12-19 18:08:47	mijk	bbj - yeah i was curious to see your bbs system :) Have you had a look at the bbs on grex? 
2018-12-19 18:09:15	~ben	oh no i haven't yet
2018-12-19 18:09:19	mijk	although 'i' havn't been on irc for a little while, i am sure that was in no doubt :) 
2018-12-19 18:10:10	mijk	it's a clone (more features i think) of picospan, the system that "The Well" used (and still does i think)
2018-12-19 18:10:13	~ben	grex is very laggy for me
2018-12-19 18:10:44	mijk	yes it is a bit for me too.
2018-12-19 18:11:06	~ben	i hope you're getting a nice ping to here
2018-12-19 18:11:14	~ben	(since the server is located in germany)
2018-12-19 18:11:19	~ben	quite a bit closer than i am
2018-12-19 18:11:34	ahriman	i just pinged em, 500+ms
2018-12-19 18:12:01	mijk	Thanks for the warm welcome Ben, i'll check out bbj now ( yeah Deutchland right? :)  )
2018-12-19 18:12:19	ahriman	hola mijk 
2018-12-19 18:14:31	~ben	oof that's a huge ping
2018-12-19 18:14:33	~ben	yeap!
2018-12-19 18:14:35	~ben	:)
2018-12-19 18:15:22	mijk	G'Day ahriman! 
2018-12-19 18:15:50	mijk	i had an average of 50 ms, does that sound right? :)
2018-12-19 18:16:14	@cmccabe	hey mijk! i recognize you!
2018-12-19 18:17:07	mijk	Hey! Eeeeh! <backslapping-and Italian accents...> 
2018-12-19 18:17:14	mijk	:D 
2018-12-19 18:17:53	mijk	Hi cmccabe! 
2018-12-19 18:19:05	~ben	yeah that sounds about right
2018-12-19 18:19:10	~ben	i get 120-130ms
2018-12-19 18:20:09	~ben	but 500ms to grex is ridiculous since it's in michigan!
2018-12-19 18:20:15	~ben	i'm only a few hundred miles away
2018-12-19 18:20:26	ahriman	yeah that's insane
2018-12-19 18:22:02	mijk	i was pinging tilde.team, grex was on average 500+ for me too
2018-12-19 18:23:04	mijk	cmccabe: i was never good at disguises :) 
2018-12-19 18:23:14	ahriman	https://bin.tilde.team/kiul
2018-12-19 18:23:35	~ben	yeah that's about what i get
2018-12-19 18:23:42	~ben	from my pi at home and my vps in dallas
2018-12-19 18:23:51	~ben	to grex that is
2018-12-19 18:26:02	ahriman	ben: i tried out fish on ~inst, and it's amazing compared to ksh
2018-12-19 18:26:24	ahriman	the history suggestions and autocompletion are <3
2018-12-19 18:26:29	~ben	i know they're fricken nuts
2018-12-19 18:26:36	~ben	:D
2018-12-19 18:26:49	~ben	plus i love that it colors in the command name when it exists in $PATH
2018-12-19 18:26:57	ahriman	yeah thats nice too
2018-12-19 18:27:25	mijk	bj looks pretty amazing too :) Anything with vi keybindings has my approval too.  What is the relationship between the bbj text bbs and the web version?
2018-12-19 18:28:57	~ben	https://bbj.tilde.team is a read-only viewer
2018-12-19 18:28:59	cirno	[~team BBJ]
2018-12-19 18:29:10	~ben	the terminal client is the only actual client
2018-12-19 18:33:48	mijk	Ahh i see. That actually makes perfect sense. The action/replies are here on tilde.team, and not on the web: so it's kind like reading the news, and here we can debate (?) 
2018-12-19 18:34:22	~ben	yeah something like that
2018-12-19 18:34:32	~ben	though irc is the place that sees the most activity
2018-12-19 18:34:41	jan6|	^
2018-12-19 18:34:49	~ben	mailing list is relatively new but already picking up a bit of chatter
2018-12-19 18:35:09	mijk	But it's good to have a permanent record, like a forum/bbs
2018-12-19 18:35:16	~ben	feel free to update your subscribed address or forward your ~team mail somewhere else
2018-12-19 18:35:22	~ben	https://lists.tildeverse.org/
2018-12-19 18:35:23	mijk	... and mailing lists :)
2018-12-19 18:35:25	cirno	[
2018-12-19 18:35:31	~ben	mailing lists are awesome
2018-12-19 18:35:40	ahriman	i <3 mailing lists
2018-12-19 18:35:44	~ben	i'll try to post updates there and also on the ~team homepage
2018-12-19 18:35:51	~ben	in the news section
2018-12-19 18:36:17	jan6	why not have a script mirror the news instead?
2018-12-19 18:36:25	~ben	from?
2018-12-19 18:36:33	jan6	either side
2018-12-19 18:36:58	jan6	easier from page -> mail, I'd assume, but doesn't matter which way exactly imo
2018-12-19 18:37:30	~ben	ehh i might not want to put the same content on both places
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2018-12-19 22:57:04	fosslinux	lmao
2018-12-19 22:57:23	fosslinux	chanserv ops self
2018-12-19 23:16:45	~ben	well yeah
2018-12-19 23:16:48	~ben	that's how it works
2018-12-19 23:16:59	~ben	it's allowed to since it's ulined
2018-12-19 23:19:06	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-19 23:19:33	~ben	ok i need to test and make sure the mailserver on services.tilde.chat is working
2018-12-19 23:19:47	fosslinux	what's that one?
2018-12-19 23:20:02	fosslinux	services.tilde.chat?
2018-12-19 23:22:23	~ben	that's the name that gets assigned to anope
2018-12-19 23:24:02	fosslinux	oh
2018-12-19 23:24:06	fosslinux	hosted on ~team?
2018-12-19 23:24:13	fosslinux	and why is there a mailserver on it?
2018-12-19 23:24:41	~ben	no
2018-12-19 23:24:45	~ben	it's a vps from ovh
2018-12-19 23:24:53	~ben	redundancy ya know
2018-12-19 23:25:07	~ben	how else will it send nickserv confirmations?
2018-12-19 23:26:01	fosslinux	oh
2018-12-19 23:26:06	fosslinux	of course
2018-12-19 23:26:09	fosslinux	redundancy ftw
2018-12-19 23:26:23	~ben	so the idea is to prevent ~team from being the SPOF
2018-12-19 23:26:39	~ben	if you get us locked out for portscanning or something ;)
2018-12-19 23:26:54	fosslinux	lol
2018-12-19 23:27:17	fosslinux	wow theres so many
2018-12-19 23:27:30	~ben	still need to get a ~town and your~ switched over to that link
2018-12-19 23:27:37	~ben	you can check /map
2018-12-19 23:27:42	~ben	to see how they're currently connected
2018-12-19 23:28:22	fosslinux	i'm connected to team.tilde.chat
2018-12-19 23:28:52	fosslinux	lol only one persons on gingko
2018-12-19 23:28:53	~ben	makes sense if you're on a shell
2018-12-19 23:28:58	~ben	that's me lol
2018-12-19 23:29:08	~ben	wait i thought you used bsd.tilde.team
2018-12-19 23:29:16	~ben	you should connect to localhost there instead
2018-12-19 23:29:19	fosslinux	yeah
2018-12-19 23:29:20	fosslinux	wtf
2018-12-19 23:29:24	fosslinux	bsd.tilde.team
2018-12-19 23:29:31	fosslinux	isn't even on the /map
2018-12-19 23:29:37	~ben	it's called bsd.tilde.chat
2018-12-19 23:29:51	fosslinux	it isn't on the map
2018-12-19 23:30:00	~ben	yeah it is
2018-12-19 23:30:16	ben|bsd	hello from bsd.tilde.chat
2018-12-19 23:30:31	fosslinux	oh lol it is
2018-12-19 23:30:38	fosslinux	i just couldn't see it 
2018-12-19 23:30:39	fosslinux	i'm blind
2018-12-19 23:30:47	fosslinux	brb
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2018-12-19 23:31:57	--	Topic set by ben on Wed, 19 Dec 2018 21:40:19
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2018-12-19 23:31:59	--	Channel created on Tue, 19 Jun 2018 18:12:30
2018-12-19 23:32:01	fosslinux	ok
2018-12-19 23:32:02	~ben	https://ttm.sh/wQ.txt
2018-12-19 23:32:06	~ben	there u r
2018-12-19 23:32:20	fosslinux	RIPPPP
2018-12-19 23:32:29	fosslinux	it just got rid of all my tilde.chat channels
2018-12-19 23:32:31	fosslinux	CRAPPP
2018-12-19 23:32:52	fosslinux	what's the channel sorter plugin u use ben
2018-12-19 23:33:37	~ben	autosort.py
2018-12-19 23:33:41	~ben	also autojoin.py
2018-12-19 23:33:48	fosslinux	oh yeah
2018-12-19 23:33:52	~ben	did you not save them as autojoin?
2018-12-19 23:33:55	~ben	oofsicles
2018-12-19 23:33:59	fosslinux	maybe i did
2018-12-19 23:34:28	~ben	then it would have rejoined them
2018-12-19 23:34:32	fosslinux	no
2018-12-19 23:34:33	~ben	https://tilde.chat/stats/
2018-12-19 23:34:34	cirno	[tilde.chat | stats page]
2018-12-19 23:34:40	~ben	just have a look and rejoin them
2018-12-19 23:34:45	~ben	install autojoin script
2018-12-19 23:34:49	~ben	then /autojoin --run
