diff --git a/src/fred.ls9 b/src/fred.ls9
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+;;  _____             _
+;; |  ___| __ ___  __| |
+;; | |_ | '__/ _ \/ _` |
+;; |  _|| | |  __/ (_| |
+;; |_|  |_|  \___|\__,_|
+;;
+;; A simple set of text editing functions
+
+
+;; This is the first "real" program for NW-lisp
+;; will experiment with style and manual things
+
+;; fred is a very simple *buffer* editor for NWL
+;; A buffer editor is just a text editor that
+;; doesn't care where the buffer comes from
+;; fred will have to main modes of operation
+;; interactive and non-interactive
+;; interactive will be basically a lispy ed
+;; non interactive will be a collection of
+;; functions that deal with text in buffers
+
+;; the most basic is a random access char editor
+;; (sref) and (sset) let us change chars at random
+;; we just need to be able to add and remove stings
+;; at random.
+
+(defun (fred-insert-string buf pos s) ;; insert string s after offset pos in buffer buf and return the new state of buf
+       (sconc (substr buf 0 pos) s (substr buf (+ pos 1) (ssize buf))))
+
+(defun (fred-cut-string buf spos epos)
+       (sconc (substr buf 0 spos) (substr buf epos (ssize buf)))) ;; cut the chars starting at spos and ending at epos
+
+(defun (fred-append-buffer buf s)
+       (sconc buf s))
+
+;; now we need an interface based on cursor position
+;; fred-buffer: (pos buf)
+;; fred-backspace, fred-insert
+(defun (fred-backspace buf cpos)
+       (if (eqv cpos (ssize buf))
+           (substr buf 0 ( - cpos 1))
+           (sconc (substr buf 0 (- cpos 1) (substr buf (+ cpos 1) (ssize buf))))))
+
+(defun (fred-insert buf cpos s)
+       (if (eqv cpos (ssize buf)
+           (sconc buf s)
+           (fred-insert-string buf cpos s))))
+
+;; now we have the most basic editing commands
+;; Lets get some cursor moving commands
+;; (fred-next-nl) (fred-prev-nl)
+;; (fred-next-line) (fred-prev-line)
+;; (fred-start-line) (fred-end-line)
+
+(defun (fred-next-nl buf cpos)
+)
+
+(defun (fred-prev-nl buf cpos)
+)
+(defun (fred-start-line buf cpos)
+       (+ (fred-prev-nl buf cpos) 1)) ;; go back until you find a new line and then add one to that
+(defun (fred-end-line buf cpos)
+       (- (fred-next-nl buf cpos) 1)) ;; go forword until a newline - minus one
+(defun (fred-next-line buf cpos)
+       (+ (fred-next-nl buf cpos) 1)) ;; go forward until new line - plus one
+(defun (fed-prev-line buf cpos)
+       (- (fred-prev-nl buf cpos) 1)) ;; go back until new line - minus one
diff --git a/src/man.ls9 b/src/man.ls9
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--- a/src/man.ls9
+++ b/src/man.ls9
@@ -1,4 +1,18 @@
-(def man-pages '(("man" "Man test")))
+(defun (man-info)
+       (h1 "man")
+       (l "The documentation system for NW-LISP")
+       (h2 "SYNOPSIS")
+       (l "(man term#string)")
+       (h2 "DESCRIPTION")
+       (p "Man takes a single argument")
+       (c "term")
+       (p "which is the name of the page your looking for.")
+       (p "if")
+       (c "term")
+       (p "mathes a page title, the title's asscoiated (sdoc) function,")
+(p "the function is executed."))
+
+(def man-pages '(("man" (man-info))))
 (defun (man term)
-       (print (cdr (asss term man-pages))))
+       (eval (car (cdr (asss term man-pages)))))
 (defun (look-man term) (printc "not done")) ;; TODO
diff --git a/src/sdoc.ls9 b/src/sdoc.ls9
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+;; The internal system for docs is NW LISP
+;; Header functions: (H1) (H2) (H3)...
+;; (P)
+;; Ok - I need this to work in more than just org -_-
+
+(defun (H1 s)
+        (printc "*" s))
+(defun (H2 s)
+        (printc "**" s))
+(defun (H3 s)
+        (printc "***" s))
+(defun (p s)
+       (princ " ")
+       (princ s)
+       (princ " "))
+(defun (l s)
+       (printc s))
+(defun (c s)
+       (princ "~")
+       (princ s)
+       (princ "~"))